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Rob Nicholson
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:54 pm Post subject:
Why is AGP GeForce 6600 so much more than the PCI-E version? |
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Simple question?
Cheers, Rob. |
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John Russell
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:12 am Post subject:
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"Rob Nicholson" <rob.nicholson@nospam_unforgettable.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Simple question?
Cheers, Rob.
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Poor sales of PCI-e cards, extra complexity of AGP version? |
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DaveL
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:02 am Post subject:
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More to do with supply and demand. Lot's of PCIe cards on the market. Not
many buyers. Not many agp cards on the market, many buyers. We will have
to wait it out or pay.
DaveL
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"Rob Nicholson" <rob.nicholson@nospam_unforgettable.com> wrote in message
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Simple question?
Cheers, Rob.
Poor sales of PCI-e cards, extra complexity of AGP version?
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Ken Marsh
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:26 am Post subject:
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In article <Oj_xd.1260$zu.1116@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
Rob Nicholson <rob.nicholson@nospam_unforgettable.com> wrote:
#Simple question?
The 6600 chipset was built for PCI-E, so there is an additional chip on
the AGP version to bridge it to AGP. The bridge costs more money and
imposes a slight performance penalty.
Even still upgrading to a next generation GPU with very fast RAM and new
graphics features can make it worthwhile, especially when you consider
the extra cost of replacing an AGP motherboard, and probably the CPU
with it.
Ken.
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Rob Nicholson
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:39 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Even still upgrading to a next generation GPU with very fast RAM and new
graphics features can make it worthwhile, especially when you consider
the extra cost of replacing an AGP motherboard, and probably the CPU
with it.
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That's where I'm at - I was going to upgrade my graphics card, mainly so I
can have play some of the newer games over Christmas.
But I'm also toying with a complete upgrade but I'd prefer to go to the AMD
64 platform for which AGP is really the only solution right now. |
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John Russell
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:56 pm Post subject:
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"Rob Nicholson" <rob.nicholson@nospam_unforgettable.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Even still upgrading to a next generation GPU with very fast RAM and new
graphics features can make it worthwhile, especially when you consider
the extra cost of replacing an AGP motherboard, and probably the CPU
with it.
That's where I'm at - I was going to upgrade my graphics card, mainly so I
can have play some of the newer games over Christmas.
But I'm also toying with a complete upgrade but I'd prefer to go to the
AMD 64 platform for which AGP is really the only solution right now.
Nforce4 motherboards are now available if you want PCI-e. If only it came |
with Soundstorm! |
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John Russell
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | The 6600 chipset was built for PCI-E, so there is an additional chip on
the AGP version to bridge it to AGP. The bridge costs more money and
imposes a slight performance penalty.
Not so. Any loss is due to manufacturers sticking to Nvidia's spec which |
reduces the memory speed compared to PCI-e, and hence performance. Many
choose not too, or even put faster memory on the card. These benchmark the
same as their PCI-e versions according to the web reviews I've seen. |
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Rob Nicholson
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Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:02 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Nforce4 motherboards are now available if you want PCI-e. If only it came
with Soundstorm!
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Yes, you're right - they are just starting to hit the stores here in the UK
and aren't too expensive at around Ł120. Won't get it all sorted before
Christmas now so might wait a month or so to see if they drop in price at
bit and so some of you trailblazers can try out rev 1.0 of the board :-)
Cheers, Rob. |
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Ken Marsh
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Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:25 am Post subject:
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Hi,
John Russell <john_e_russell@hotmail.com> wrote:
#Not so. Any loss is due to manufacturers sticking to Nvidia's spec which
#reduces the memory speed compared to PCI-e, and hence performance.
In other words, it is so, unless you either overclock, or buy a factory
overclock like BFG's or one with fast memory like Asus (for a small
extra $$). I was speaking of the average 6600GT AGP card. Botique
hardware makes (and breaks) its own rules.
Ken.
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Mirek Fídler
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Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:40 am Post subject:
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"Ken Marsh" <kmarsh@fellspt.charm.net> píše v diskusním příspěvku
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| Quote: | Hi,
John Russell <john_e_russell@hotmail.com> wrote:
#Not so. Any loss is due to manufacturers sticking to Nvidia's spec which
#reduces the memory speed compared to PCI-e, and hence performance.
In other words, it is so, unless you either overclock, or buy a factory
overclock like BFG's or one with fast memory like Asus (for a small
extra $$).
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Every 6600GT comes with at least 2ns memory chips, so 900Mhz is actually
underclocking.
Mirek |
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Rockin Ronnie
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Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:55 am Post subject:
Re: Why is AGP GeForce 6600 so much more than the PCI-E vers |
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Rob Nicholson wrote:
| Quote: | Even still upgrading to a next generation GPU with very fast RAM and new
graphics features can make it worthwhile, especially when you consider
the extra cost of replacing an AGP motherboard, and probably the CPU
with it.
That's where I'm at - I was going to upgrade my graphics card, mainly so I
can have play some of the newer games over Christmas.
But I'm also toying with a complete upgrade but I'd prefer to go to the AMD
64 platform for which AGP is really the only solution right now.
Not an answer to your question but I have just ordered an Athlon 64 |
3500+, an Nforce4 board with the Leadtek 6600GT and a gig of ram. Should
arrive Friday. I tossed everything out to take this plunge.
Besides, my old computer would be 4 years old in January and the time
was right. However, on my old computer I went with RDRAM and thought
then, this is the cat's meow. I hope I made the right choices this time
around.
Ron |
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John Russell
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Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:23 am Post subject:
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"Mirek Fídler" <cxl@volny.cz> wrote in message
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"Ken Marsh" <kmarsh@fellspt.charm.net> píše v diskusním příspěvku
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Hi,
John Russell <john_e_russell@hotmail.com> wrote:
#Not so. Any loss is due to manufacturers sticking to Nvidia's spec which
#reduces the memory speed compared to PCI-e, and hence performance.
In other words, it is so, unless you either overclock, or buy a factory
overclock like BFG's or one with fast memory like Asus (for a small
extra $$).
Every 6600GT comes with at least 2ns memory chips, so 900Mhz is actually
underclocking.
Mirek
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That's right, since one review I read said that 900mhz chips don't exist. |
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