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Leodiensian
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:16 am Post subject:
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Oh dear, I'm not very happy.
I have a PC with integrated nVidia graphics and XP Home (full spec
below). I have recently purchased an XFX 6800GT (AGP) card. This is
what happened:
Firstly, did a system restore point (thank goodness).
Downloaded latest nVidia drivers to a safe place.
Tried to uninstall exising display drivers. Couldn't find anything in
Add/Remove Programs so looked in Device Manager. Found the Integrated
GPU adapter, tried to uninstall. Got a requester "Can not install.
Driver may be required during boot up". Disabled instead.
Rebooted. Booted up fine in standard VGA mode.
Ran Drvier Cleaner 3.3 as recommended on this board.
Two Nvidia type things existed in the drop down box. Cleaned out both.
Turned off PC.
Plugged in new card and pluged in power dongle.
Booted up.
BIOS comes up, then screen goes black and PC resets.
Boots up again, then get the message offering Safe Modes.
Try Safe Mode, same thing happens.
Turn off and remove new card.
Same thing happens. Try the all the options, Safe Mode, Safe Mode with
Networking, Safe Mode with Command Prompt, Last Known Good
Configuration and Normal Windows.
Same things happens with all modes, except Command Prompt when a whole
series of driver names and system files come up, probably just the
normal boot up process.
Can anyone help? What's happened? I've obviously deleted a bit too
much.
I don't have an XP disk as the machine came preloaded. I can't see any
way of fixing it - how do I go back to my restore point if I don't get
into Windows?
PLEASE HELP!!
C |
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John Russell
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:53 am Post subject:
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"Leodiensian" <chrispoad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:549427d0.0412181416.7c22346f@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Oh dear, I'm not very happy.
I have a PC with integrated nVidia graphics and XP Home (full spec
below). I have recently purchased an XFX 6800GT (AGP) card. This is
what happened:
Firstly, did a system restore point (thank goodness).
Downloaded latest nVidia drivers to a safe place.
Tried to uninstall exising display drivers. Couldn't find anything in
Add/Remove Programs so looked in Device Manager. Found the Integrated
GPU adapter, tried to uninstall. Got a requester "Can not install.
Driver may be required during boot up". Disabled instead.
Rebooted. Booted up fine in standard VGA mode.
Ran Drvier Cleaner 3.3 as recommended on this board.
Two Nvidia type things existed in the drop down box. Cleaned out both.
Turned off PC.
Plugged in new card and pluged in power dongle.
Booted up.
BIOS comes up, then screen goes black and PC resets.
Boots up again, then get the message offering Safe Modes.
Try Safe Mode, same thing happens.
Turn off and remove new card.
Same thing happens. Try the all the options, Safe Mode, Safe Mode with
Networking, Safe Mode with Command Prompt, Last Known Good
Configuration and Normal Windows.
Same things happens with all modes, except Command Prompt when a whole
series of driver names and system files come up, probably just the
normal boot up process.
Can anyone help? What's happened? I've obviously deleted a bit too
much.
I don't have an XP disk as the machine came preloaded. I can't see any
way of fixing it - how do I go back to my restore point if I don't get
into Windows?
PLEASE HELP!!
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In all of that you don't mention the most obvious point, which I hope you've
done since it is obvious. Did you disable the intrgrated GPU in the bios? |
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Kevin
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 4:00 am Post subject:
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You *may* be able to do a manual system restore, as described here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307545
It involves loading the registry hives from the \WINDOWS\REPAIR
folder, booting the system, then loading the registry hives from your
restore point.
It may not work with an OEM install, as they often don't have the
required files in the REPAIR folder. The SYSTEM file is usually
missing - the SYSTEM.BAK file, if present, will NOT suffice.
To even attempt this, you will need a Windows CD to boot to the
Recovery Console, or the 6 boot floppies that can be downloaded here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;310994
Make sure you get the right version of the XP Home disks to match the
service pack level currently on your machine. These are good to have
on hand anyway, if you don't have a bootable CD.
On 18 Dec 2004 14:16:38 -0800, chrispoad@hotmail.com (Leodiensian)
wrote:
| Quote: | Oh dear, I'm not very happy.
I have a PC with integrated nVidia graphics and XP Home (full spec
below). I have recently purchased an XFX 6800GT (AGP) card. This is
what happened:
Firstly, did a system restore point (thank goodness).
Downloaded latest nVidia drivers to a safe place.
Tried to uninstall exising display drivers. Couldn't find anything in
Add/Remove Programs so looked in Device Manager. Found the Integrated
GPU adapter, tried to uninstall. Got a requester "Can not install.
Driver may be required during boot up". Disabled instead.
Rebooted. Booted up fine in standard VGA mode.
Ran Drvier Cleaner 3.3 as recommended on this board.
Two Nvidia type things existed in the drop down box. Cleaned out both.
Turned off PC.
Plugged in new card and pluged in power dongle.
Booted up.
BIOS comes up, then screen goes black and PC resets.
Boots up again, then get the message offering Safe Modes.
Try Safe Mode, same thing happens.
Turn off and remove new card.
Same thing happens. Try the all the options, Safe Mode, Safe Mode with
Networking, Safe Mode with Command Prompt, Last Known Good
Configuration and Normal Windows.
Same things happens with all modes, except Command Prompt when a whole
series of driver names and system files come up, probably just the
normal boot up process.
Can anyone help? What's happened? I've obviously deleted a bit too
much.
I don't have an XP disk as the machine came preloaded. I can't see any
way of fixing it - how do I go back to my restore point if I don't get
into Windows?
PLEASE HELP!!
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DaveL
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 4:39 am Post subject:
Re: HELP! Install Disaster! |
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Try clearing the cmos. It seems like you have a video related problem
because command prompt works.
DaveL
"Leodiensian" <chrispoad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:549427d0.0412181416.7c22346f@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Oh dear, I'm not very happy.
I have a PC with integrated nVidia graphics and XP Home (full spec
below). I have recently purchased an XFX 6800GT (AGP) card. This is
what happened:
Firstly, did a system restore point (thank goodness).
Downloaded latest nVidia drivers to a safe place.
Tried to uninstall exising display drivers. Couldn't find anything in
Add/Remove Programs so looked in Device Manager. Found the Integrated
GPU adapter, tried to uninstall. Got a requester "Can not install.
Driver may be required during boot up". Disabled instead.
Rebooted. Booted up fine in standard VGA mode.
Ran Drvier Cleaner 3.3 as recommended on this board.
Two Nvidia type things existed in the drop down box. Cleaned out both.
Turned off PC.
Plugged in new card and pluged in power dongle.
Booted up.
BIOS comes up, then screen goes black and PC resets.
Boots up again, then get the message offering Safe Modes.
Try Safe Mode, same thing happens.
Turn off and remove new card.
Same thing happens. Try the all the options, Safe Mode, Safe Mode with
Networking, Safe Mode with Command Prompt, Last Known Good
Configuration and Normal Windows.
Same things happens with all modes, except Command Prompt when a whole
series of driver names and system files come up, probably just the
normal boot up process.
Can anyone help? What's happened? I've obviously deleted a bit too
much.
I don't have an XP disk as the machine came preloaded. I can't see any
way of fixing it - how do I go back to my restore point if I don't get
into Windows?
PLEASE HELP!!
C |
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spartacus
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:30 am Post subject:
Re: HELP! Install Disaster! |
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Leodiensian wrote:
| Quote: | Oh dear, I'm not very happy.
I have a PC with integrated nVidia graphics and XP Home (full spec
below). I have recently purchased an XFX 6800GT (AGP) card. This is
what happened:
Firstly, did a system restore point (thank goodness).
Downloaded latest nVidia drivers to a safe place.
Tried to uninstall exising display drivers. Couldn't find anything in
Add/Remove Programs so looked in Device Manager. Found the Integrated
GPU adapter, tried to uninstall. Got a requester "Can not install.
Driver may be required during boot up". Disabled instead.
Rebooted. Booted up fine in standard VGA mode.
Ran Drvier Cleaner 3.3 as recommended on this board.
Two Nvidia type things existed in the drop down box. Cleaned out both.
Turned off PC.
Plugged in new card and pluged in power dongle.
Booted up.
BIOS comes up, then screen goes black and PC resets.
Boots up again, then get the message offering Safe Modes.
Try Safe Mode, same thing happens.
Turn off and remove new card.
Same thing happens. Try the all the options, Safe Mode, Safe Mode with
Networking, Safe Mode with Command Prompt, Last Known Good
Configuration and Normal Windows.
Same things happens with all modes, except Command Prompt when a whole
series of driver names and system files come up, probably just the
normal boot up process.
Can anyone help? What's happened? I've obviously deleted a bit too
much.
I don't have an XP disk as the machine came preloaded. I can't see any
way of fixing it - how do I go back to my restore point if I don't get
into Windows?
PLEASE HELP!!
C
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I've never had any problems installing new drivers on top of old ones,
or vice versa. I never made any attempt to clean out the old drivers. A
little late for this for you, but I'd try that in the future. If you get
burned doing it the lazy man's way, you can try something else, but
something else is what you tried and it didn't work out too well. Good
luck with fixing it, but sometimes reinstalling Windows is the only way
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John Smithe
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:50 pm Post subject:
Re: HELP! Install Disaster! |
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Some system vendors, HP for instance, ship OEM O/S disks with the system.
You will need these OEM disks when O/S upgrade time rolls around so look
again. If you did not get any OEM O/S disks, check with your system vendor
to get replacements.
Some system vendors, again HP for instance, provide disks to perform a system
recovery. These system recovery disks will restore the system to 'factory'
state, IOW, the way it was when it left the factory. HP also provides for
application recovery only and driver recovery only.
I think DELL provides both OEM O/S disks and system recovery disks as well.
You should have both OEM O/S disks and system recovery disks of some kind. |
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dino
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject:
Re: HELP! Install Disaster! |
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check the BIOS for on board video and disable it...also if you do not have
any XP discs at all..recovery or a reload disc with a serial #..then the
place where you got it has sold you an illegal computer. By law you must
have a disc of some sort with a serial#. |
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Leodiensian
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:36 pm Post subject:
Re: HELP! Install Disaster! |
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Thanks everyone for the advice. I stupidly forgot to list my system
specs - I have an nForce 2 motherboard so disabling the integrated
graphics wasn't an issue, it happens automatically when it detects an
AGP card.
I don't have any XP disks at all, but I have solved the problem by
borrowing a friend's copy of XP Home. I went through the install
process and opted to recover a previous installation. All appears to be
as it was before! I've now successfully installed my new 6800GT.
Two quick questions:
1. Windows is now prompting me to activate. AARRGH! I've used another
XP CD with a different Product Key. I suppose technically I've
infringed copyright, although all I did was recover a previous
legitimate installation. What should I do? If I call Microsoft are they
going to send round the boys? I can't remember whether I activated my
previous version or whether it was activated when I got it. The vendor
is Watford Electronics, which is well known in the UK.
2. Would you mind telling me if these benchmarks are about right?
Decent video card but mid-range system.
3DMark01: 15962
3DMark03: 10169
System is:
Athlon XP 2800+ Barton
1Gb Generic PC2700 RAM
Win XP Home
XFX 6800GT AGP
Tagan 480W PSU
Many thanks for all your kind help getting me going again!
C |
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DaveL
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:27 am Post subject:
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The windows the machine came with was probably already activated. Did you
try to re-activate it? Try it. If it is declined, call microsoft with the
phone number listed on the screen. There is also a code number that pops up
on the screen. You'll need that too. I recently was declined reactivation
after I updated my Nforce drivers and suddenly on reboot windows said I
needed to activate. It said my hardware had changed or something. This is
bull. Any way, I tried and it said I had activated too many times with this
key. This is my third system with the same copy of windows XP Pro. Not my
fault I'm a computer geek who likes to upgrade and tweak stuff. I called
and the Microsoft guy, who sounded like he was a Hindu Indian, asked me a
couple of questions and then game me a code to punch in and I'm back in
business now.
| Quote: | 3DMark01: 15962
3DMark03: 10169
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Who cares about the 3dmark01 score. That's old school and does not apply
too much to your new video card. The 3dmark03 score is great and is a good
indicator of how your system will perform in todays games.
DaveL
"Leodiensian" <chrispoad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103481385.304945.245780@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Thanks everyone for the advice. I stupidly forgot to list my system
specs - I have an nForce 2 motherboard so disabling the integrated
graphics wasn't an issue, it happens automatically when it detects an
AGP card.
I don't have any XP disks at all, but I have solved the problem by
borrowing a friend's copy of XP Home. I went through the install
process and opted to recover a previous installation. All appears to be
as it was before! I've now successfully installed my new 6800GT.
Two quick questions:
1. Windows is now prompting me to activate. AARRGH! I've used another
XP CD with a different Product Key. I suppose technically I've
infringed copyright, although all I did was recover a previous
legitimate installation. What should I do? If I call Microsoft are they
going to send round the boys? I can't remember whether I activated my
previous version or whether it was activated when I got it. The vendor
is Watford Electronics, which is well known in the UK.
2. Would you mind telling me if these benchmarks are about right?
Decent video card but mid-range system.
3DMark01: 15962
3DMark03: 10169
System is:
Athlon XP 2800+ Barton
1Gb Generic PC2700 RAM
Win XP Home
XFX 6800GT AGP
Tagan 480W PSU
Many thanks for all your kind help getting me going again!
C
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John Russell
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:17 am Post subject:
Re: HELP! Install Disaster! |
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"Leodiensian" <chrispoad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103481385.304945.245780@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Thanks everyone for the advice. I stupidly forgot to list my system
specs - I have an nForce 2 motherboard so disabling the integrated
graphics wasn't an issue, it happens automatically when it detects an
AGP card.
I don't have any XP disks at all, but I have solved the problem by
borrowing a friend's copy of XP Home. I went through the install
process and opted to recover a previous installation. All appears to be
as it was before! I've now successfully installed my new 6800GT.
Two quick questions:
1. Windows is now prompting me to activate. AARRGH! I've used another
XP CD with a different Product Key. I suppose technically I've
infringed copyright, although all I did was recover a previous
legitimate installation. What should I do? If I call Microsoft are they
going to send round the boys? I can't remember whether I activated my
previous version or whether it was activated when I got it. The vendor
is Watford Electronics, which is well known in the UK.
2. Would you mind telling me if these benchmarks are about right?
Decent video card but mid-range system.
3DMark01: 15962
3DMark03: 10169
System is:
Athlon XP 2800+ Barton
1Gb Generic PC2700 RAM
Win XP Home
XFX 6800GT AGP
Tagan 480W PSU
Many thanks for all your kind help getting me going again!
C
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Have you losts the disks or did Watford not supply them? Even if Watford use
disk cloning to install their software they still should supply a set of
original installation disks for all the software you bought. |
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Leodiensian
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:21 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Have you losts the disks or did Watford not supply them? Even if
Watford use
disk cloning to install their software they still should supply a set
of
original installation disks for all the software you bought.
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Unless I've mislaid them somehow, no. I have disks for free software
such as Nero, Adobe Acrobat, and nForce drivers and utilities, but no
operating system disks.
This is pretty common isn't it? Most of the operating system is
compressed on the hard drive in .cab files - but that's no good if you
can get Windows going.
I'll call Watford, the vendor, first and demand some disks. I do have a
product key on a Windows XP sticker on the side on the PC.
C |
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John Russell
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:30 am Post subject:
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"Leodiensian" <chrispoad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103498507.021444.3030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Have you losts the disks or did Watford not supply them? Even if
Watford use
disk cloning to install their software they still should supply a set
of
original installation disks for all the software you bought.
Unless I've mislaid them somehow, no. I have disks for free software
such as Nero, Adobe Acrobat, and nForce drivers and utilities, but no
operating system disks.
This is pretty common isn't it? Most of the operating system is
compressed on the hard drive in .cab files - but that's no good if you
can get Windows going.
I'll call Watford, the vendor, first and demand some disks. I do have a
product key on a Windows XP sticker on the side on the PC.
C
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The installation Cd-rom can used to run "console" mode and debug some
problems. Also, if you have previous XP product key it is possible to change
you current install back to that. Microsft have info on this somewhere on
their website for those peole, for whatever reason, who end up with "pirate"
copies of software. |
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Matt
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:10 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | 3DMark01: 15962
3DMark03: 10169
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Its beggining to be very clear to me that AMD has the "game playing arena"
wrapped up.
I have a P4 @ 3.2 ghz that scores about 7500 with a 6800U. I'd say your scores
are great!
Congrats on getting the thing working again.
Matt
gamefixer@aol.com
M and M Electronics
6661 Stanford Ranch Road
Suite F, PMB 105
Rocklin Ca 95677
916-275-5871 |
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John Smithe
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:11 pm Post subject:
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"Leodiensian" <chrispoad@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1103498507.021444.3030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | Have you losts the disks or did Watford not supply them? Even if
Watford use
disk cloning to install their software they still should supply a set
of
original installation disks for all the software you bought.
Unless I've mislaid them somehow, no. I have disks for free software
such as Nero, Adobe Acrobat, and nForce drivers and utilities, but no
operating system disks.
This is pretty common isn't it? Most of the operating system is
compressed on the hard drive in .cab files - but that's no good if you
can get Windows going.
I'll call Watford, the vendor, first and demand some disks. I do have a
product key on a Windows XP sticker on the side on the PC.
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Don't lose that product key. The product key is the license, not the
disks. Micrososft will use your product key as proof of legitimate
ownership if you need to re-acticate, not the disks. However, the disks
may be necessary for repairs, recoveries, and re-intsalls as you now know.
Also, let me re-iterate that, someday, when you want to upgrade (to 64 bit
XP or whatever), you will need the disks to upgrade the O/S. If you do not
have your XP disks you might have to get them to upgrade or you'll have to
obtain a 'FULL' license or an 'OEM' license. A 'FULL' license will be more
expensive than an upgrade license. An 'OEM' license may not be as
expensive, but Microsoft will not provide support for an 'OEM' license.
Then again, you may have an 'OEM' license now.
| Quote: | Two quick questions:
1. Windows is now prompting me to activate. AARRGH! I've used another
XP CD with a different Product Key. I suppose technically I've
infringed copyright, although all I did was recover a previous
legitimate installation. What should I do? If I call Microsoft are they
going to send round the boys? I can't remember whether I activated my
previous version or whether it was activated when I got it. The vendor
is Watford Electronics, which is well known in the UK.
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Did you have to enter the 'different' product key to do the
repair/recovery? If not, then you should be ok. The disks do not have the
product key on them so the disks are not tied to a specific key in any
way. Just do the activation and when it asks for a product key, enter the
key on the sticker on the side of your box. |
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...D.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:37 pm Post subject:
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"Leodiensian" <chrispoad@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks everyone for the advice. I stupidly forgot to list my system
specs - I have an nForce 2 motherboard so disabling the integrated
graphics wasn't an issue, it happens automatically when it detects an
AGP card.
I don't have any XP disks at all, but I have solved the problem by
borrowing a friend's copy of XP Home. I went through the install
process and opted to recover a previous installation. All appears to be
as it was before! I've now successfully installed my new 6800GT.
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I have an eMachines 3200+ with nVidia integration in it for several
things. The video steals 64 MBs from my computers RAM.
Here is what eMachines wrote me in response to my question about
installing a video card in the computer. You have most likely done this
already. I suppose they are just guessing here, because it looks like
they are not sure - saying "it should detect it, but if not". I am
surprised it isn't a vanilla "re-install Windows XP" <grin>. Anywho, here
it is:
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Thank you for contacting eMachines.
I understand that you want to know if you would install a new video card,
you want to know if you need to disable the onboard video card or you may
simply plug a card. Then, you want to know if what AGP speed in a video
card you need to have.
Your system has an AU31 motherboard, which is manufactured by FIC and has
an AGP slot that complies with AGP 3.0 and supports 1.5V/0.8V 4X/8X AGP
video cards.
You may want to make sure that the video card you are trying to install
complies with the above specifications. As long as the video card
complies with the above memory specifications, it should work. However,
we cannot guarantee compatibility of any video card other than the ones we
install.
Then, when a new video card is installed on your system, the computer
should detect the new video card and begin using it automatically.
However, if the computer does not recognize the new video card you need to
manually disable the onboard video card.
You can disable the onboard video card/driver through this method. You
may need to remove the new video card if it is already installed.
1) Click on "Start".
2) Click on "Control Panel". (For Classic Start menu: Point to
"Settings" then click on "Control Panel".)
3) Double-click on the "System" icon. (On the left-hand side, click the
line that says, "Switch to Classical View". If it says "Switch to
Category view" then do not click on it.)
4) Click on the "Hardware" tab.
5) Click on the "Device Manager" button.
6) Click on the + sign in front of the display adapter section until it
changes to a - sign.
7) Right-click on the onboard video listed below the display adapter
section and make sure that disable is selected, if it is not then you will
want to click on disable. Click on "OK" through the warning.
8) Shutdown the computer and install the new card.
9) After installing the new card, you need to attach the monitor cable to
the new video card.
10) Boot your computer in order to install the new video drivers.
Please be aware that whenever the case is removed precautions should be
taken against electrostatic discharge (ESD). Make sure that the computer
is off and unplugged. Please maintain contact with a grounded source,
such as your computer's frame or use a grounding strap. Damage resulting
from improper grounding may not be covered under the manufacturer's
warranty if these precautions are not taken. Simply breaking the seal
will not void the manufacturer's warranty.
For further assistance regarding the new video card installation, you may
refer to the manual or contact the manufacturer of your video card.
Please be reminded that any changes or upgrades to the original
configuration of the system are done so at your own risk. Any support for
added third party software or hardware will need to come from the
manufacturer of that product.
Thank you for taking time to write us and I hope that the information I
have provided will be helpful in addressing your concern.
Should you require further assistance with your eMachines system, please
feel free to send another message. Your comments and suggestions are
welcome.
Sincerely,
Diana
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