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po
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:35 pm Post subject:
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So, I just got myself an AGP Nvidia 6600GT with 128 RAM. I'd heard this was
one of the hot cards to get. Would you folks agree? I don't have a PCI
capable motherboard so I had to get an AGP. Didn't want to spend 400 on the
top of the line.
Then I ran some Nvidia demos and they don't run all that great even though
they say my card is more than enough to handle them. Specifially I'm talking
about the garage demo, that runs as a slide show and the Dusk Ultra demo
which should run on Geforce FX 5900 Ultra. I thought the 5900 was less of a
card than the 6600. Why are these demos running so slow on my machine?
I've got an athlon 1.8plus processor\
500 RAM ddr, supposedly very fast
6600gt video card with 128 RAM
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PRIVATE1964
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:08 am Post subject:
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I wouldn't use any demos to test its performance. You should try using
3Dmark2003 to get an idea of how much performance it has.
Your Athlon seems a little bit weak. It could be slowing things down a little
bit. What Athlon CPU exactly do you have? Is that a Barton 2500+ which has
around a 1.8Ghz speed? or an earlier model that also runs at 1.8GHz, but is not
as fast as a Barton. |
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Helion
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:11 am Post subject:
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"po" <prbj@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | So, I just got myself an AGP Nvidia 6600GT with 128 RAM. I'd heard this
was one of the hot cards to get. Would you folks agree? I don't have a PCI
capable motherboard so I had to get an AGP. Didn't want to spend 400 on
the top of the line.
Then I ran some Nvidia demos and they don't run all that great even
though they say my card is more than enough to handle them. Specifially
I'm talking about the garage demo, that runs as a slide show and the Dusk
Ultra demo which should run on Geforce FX 5900 Ultra. I thought the 5900
was less of a card than the 6600. Why are these demos running so slow on
my machine?
I've got an athlon 1.8plus processor\
500 RAM ddr, supposedly very fast
6600gt video card with 128 RAM
thanks
its not the processor, its the aperture setting, change to 256MB in the BIOS |
and the demos run fine. I have a XP2200+ and can run all of the demo's
flawlessy as long as aperture is set to 256. |
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po
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:35 pm Post subject:
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My processor is an AMD Athlon XP 1800+, MMX, 3DNow, ~ 1.5 Ghz
Page file is 256 used. 990mb available
Motherboard is an Asus A7N8X-E
XP professional operating system
512 mb RAM
"PRIVATE1964" <private1964@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I wouldn't use any demos to test its performance. You should try using
3Dmark2003 to get an idea of how much performance it has.
Your Athlon seems a little bit weak. It could be slowing things down a
little
bit. What Athlon CPU exactly do you have? Is that a Barton 2500+ which has
around a 1.8Ghz speed? or an earlier model that also runs at 1.8GHz, but
is not
as fast as a Barton. |
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Bmchan
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject:
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What does the aperture setting do and how does one determine what it
is set to on their PC? Thanks
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 03:11:35 GMT, "Helion"
<nohelionliscocomputer@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "po" <prbj@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:JOOdnfGrfZq291ncRVn-uA@adelphia.com...
So, I just got myself an AGP Nvidia 6600GT with 128 RAM. I'd heard this
was one of the hot cards to get. Would you folks agree? I don't have a PCI
capable motherboard so I had to get an AGP. Didn't want to spend 400 on
the top of the line.
Then I ran some Nvidia demos and they don't run all that great even
though they say my card is more than enough to handle them. Specifially
I'm talking about the garage demo, that runs as a slide show and the Dusk
Ultra demo which should run on Geforce FX 5900 Ultra. I thought the 5900
was less of a card than the 6600. Why are these demos running so slow on
my machine?
I've got an athlon 1.8plus processor\
500 RAM ddr, supposedly very fast
6600gt video card with 128 RAM
thanks
its not the processor, its the aperture setting, change to 256MB in the BIOS
and the demos run fine. I have a XP2200+ and can run all of the demo's
flawlessy as long as aperture is set to 256.
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PRIVATE1964
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:55 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | My processor is an AMD Athlon XP 1800+, MMX, 3DNow, ~ 1.5 Ghz
Page file is 256 used. 990mb available
Motherboard is an Asus A7N8X-E
XP professional operating system
512 mb RAM
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That CPU might be limiting how much performance your gonna get from that
graphic card. |
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PRIVATE1964
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:58 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | its not the processor, its the aperture setting, change to 256MB in the BIOS
and the demos run fine. I have a XP2200+ and can run all of the demo's
flawlessy as long as aperture is set to 256.
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Aperture will not uually make any difference no matter what you set it at,
unless you have some other issues. The card has more then enough ram so it
should never ever bother with the aperture.
If you set it to way to low, like under 32Megs I believe then you could have
issues because it disables the aperture. Anything from 64Megs and higher should
not be causing any issues. |
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Helion
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:59 am Post subject:
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"Bmchan" <bchiiin@spammmm.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | What does the aperture setting do and how does one determine what it
is set to on their PC? Thanks
Aperture setting is how much computer memory is set as addressable. It is |
normally recomended to set it between 64Mb and 128Mb as this keeps the
"GART" (Graphics Address Relocation Table) to a reasonable size. The
nvidia demos require texture storage in excess of 256MB which are "jerky"
with the 128MB versions.
To set it you must enter the BIOS at boot-up and look for AGP settings
section where its usually located. A good source for what the BIOS and its
options are is under the FREE ACCESS link at this site
http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=1 |
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Helion
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:03 am Post subject:
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"PRIVATE1964" <private1964@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | its not the processor, its the aperture setting, change to 256MB in the
BIOS
and the demos run fine. I have a XP2200+ and can run all of the demo's
flawlessy as long as aperture is set to 256.
Aperture will not uually make any difference no matter what you set it at,
unless you have some other issues. The card has more then enough ram so it
should never ever bother with the aperture.
If you set it to way to low, like under 32Megs I believe then you could
have
issues because it disables the aperture. Anything from 64Megs and higher
should
not be causing any issues.
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I guarantee you that is the problem, I know of 3 other people with exact
same card and memory and ALL have very slow frame rates with the 6800 demo's
with 128 cards. It is the first time I have ever seen the aperture affect
frame rates but it definitley does. |
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PRIVATE1964
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:05 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | What does the aperture setting do and how does one determine what it
is set to on their PC? Thanks
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It is basically system memory that is used for texture memory if your video
card runs out or needs more. With the new cards today that have 128 Megs and
higher it really should not be used all that often. So a setting of 64 megs or
higher should work fine. There is really no performance increase using a higher
setting. So set it at 128, and that should be it....but I don't think that is
your problem.
You can tell what it is set at in your bios. There are also diagnostic software
programs that will let you know what it is set at. I think it is easier to just
look in your bios though. |
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PRIVATE1964
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:05 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | I guarantee you that is the problem, I know of 3 other people with exact
same card and memory and ALL have very slow frame rates with the 6800 demo's
with 128 cards. It is the first time I have ever seen the aperture affect
frame rates but it definitley does.
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If it does make a difference with the demo's then there is something wrong
specifically with the demo's in how they access the aperture. As far as games
or real world graphic applications go there should not be any problems as long
as the aperture is to 64 Megs or higher. Higher then 64 will not gain you any
noticable real world performance increase though.
Being able to run a demo that was specifically written to show off the
capabilities of a video card does not give you any idea of real world
performance. Your better off skipping the demo and running a few of the newest
games, and some benchmarks to get some idea how fast the card really is.
If you suspect the aperture is causing a problem with the demo, try changing
it....but with real games it shouldn't make a bit of difference. |
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Helion
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:03 am Post subject:
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"PRIVATE1964" <private1964@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I guarantee you that is the problem, I know of 3 other people with exact
same card and memory and ALL have very slow frame rates with the 6800
demo's
with 128 cards. It is the first time I have ever seen the aperture affect
frame rates but it definitley does.
If it does make a difference with the demo's then there is something wrong
specifically with the demo's in how they access the aperture. As far as
games
or real world graphic applications go there should not be any problems as
long
as the aperture is to 64 Megs or higher. Higher then 64 will not gain you
any
noticable real world performance increase though.
Being able to run a demo that was specifically written to show off the
capabilities of a video card does not give you any idea of real world
performance. Your better off skipping the demo and running a few of the
newest
games, and some benchmarks to get some idea how fast the card really is.
If you suspect the aperture is causing a problem with the demo, try
changing
it....but with real games it shouldn't make a bit of difference.
I fully agree with you on that... there is in fact a decrease in frame rate |
with games at 256MB vs 128MB aperture due to the increased GART size. I run
mine at 128 normally and only suggest running it at 256 for viewing the 3
nvidia demos only. (Nalu, Timbury and Clear Sailing). |
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PRIVATE1964
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:40 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | I fully agree with you on that... there is in fact a decrease in frame rate
with games at 256MB vs 128MB aperture due to the increased GART size. I run
mine at 128 normally and only suggest running it at 256 for viewing the 3
nvidia demos only. (Nalu, Timbury and Clear Sailing).
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I've done some testing with all sizes and have never noticed any major
improvement, but I have also never noticed any decrease in performance either.
I can't understand why you would see a loss in performance with a setting of
256 compared to 128. There really shouldn't be because the aperture is very
rarely used. I think the demo's specifically were designed to work with a large
aperture, but with most games you don't really want that because it can slow
things down. |
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