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SteveK
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject:
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"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Fastest, but not effective, simply because of the dramatically increased
workload on the part of the programmer.
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The programmers? - 'cuse me, we're talking here about making a better gpu
driver, right? A perfect device driver is the lifeline for any hardware
developer. Who cares about the coders workload? - get more staff, once it is
done, it's no more such a pain to maintain the code.
The performance advantage of
| Quote: | assembler will decrease once the HLSL compilers mature.
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...Talking about assembler here the performance decline can be expected
neglectable if the compiler is worth his money. |
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Joachim Trensz
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:48 pm Post subject:
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I purchased an X800 Pro because I couldn't get the XT and my 9800 was broken,
and I am more than happy with the card. It overclocks to full XT speed (!!)
without even getting hot (temps are in the mid-40's), and it doesn't produce any
artefacts. I.e., it seems to be safe to run the card at XT speeds.
Looking at comparisons between the two cards (Pro and XT, for example at
www.firingsquad.com) it appears that the XT isn't much faster than the Pro
anyway, but since I can o/c the Pro so wonderfully, I feel like I got an XT now.
I'd buy the Pro any time again, preferrably the VIVO as it's got the 1.6ns RAM.
Achim |
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Bandit
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:48:31 +0100, Joachim Trensz <me@privacy.net>
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| Quote: | I purchased an X800 Pro because I couldn't get the XT and my 9800 was broken,
and I am more than happy with the card. It overclocks to full XT speed (!!)
without even getting hot (temps are in the mid-40's), and it doesn't produce any
artefacts. I.e., it seems to be safe to run the card at XT speeds.
Looking at comparisons between the two cards (Pro and XT, for example at
www.firingsquad.com) it appears that the XT isn't much faster than the Pro
anyway, but since I can o/c the Pro so wonderfully, I feel like I got an XT now.
I'd buy the Pro any time again, preferrably the VIVO as it's got the 1.6ns RAM.
Achim
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Well i got a ATI X800 Pro and its got the 1.6ns ram on it but i don't
think ati makes a x800 pro vivo card do they ? plus i looked a couple
pictures of X800 PRO cards on the net they don't have the rage theater
chip on them but mine does wounded if i got a vivo card some how :) |
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Joachim Trensz
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:01 pm Post subject:
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Bandit wrote:
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| Quote: | Well i got a ATI X800 Pro and its got the 1.6ns ram on it but i don't
think ati makes a x800 pro vivo card do they ? plus i looked a couple
pictures of X800 PRO cards on the net they don't have the rage theater
chip on them but mine does wounded if i got a vivo card some how :)
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Sapphire makes an X800 Pro Vivo.
Achim |
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Bandit
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:06 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:01:08 +0100, Joachim Trensz <me@privacy.net>
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| Quote: | Bandit wrote:
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Well i got a ATI X800 Pro and its got the 1.6ns ram on it but i don't
think ati makes a x800 pro vivo card do they ? plus i looked a couple
pictures of X800 PRO cards on the net they don't have the rage theater
chip on them but mine does wounded if i got a vivo card some how :)
Sapphire makes an X800 Pro Vivo.
Achim
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Yea i know but the card i got came in a ATI box not sapphire |
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Joachim Trensz
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:24 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Yea i know but the card i got came in a ATI box not sapphire
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I really don't know about ATI. I read somewhere (here?) that Sapphire makes or
used to make cards for ATI, but I have no clue whatsoever whether you might have
a VIVO.
I always thought the plain X800 Pro had 2.0ns RAM, so your having 1.6ns RAM does
look like a VIVO to me, but unfortunately I'm not knowledgeable enough to shed
more light onto this issue...
Achim |
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Bandit
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 4:25 am Post subject:
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Ok thanks for the info
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:24:42 +0100, Joachim Trensz <me@privacy.net>
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| Quote: | Bandit wrote:
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Yea i know but the card i got came in a ATI box not sapphire
I really don't know about ATI. I read somewhere (here?) that Sapphire makes or
used to make cards for ATI, but I have no clue whatsoever whether you might have
a VIVO.
I always thought the plain X800 Pro had 2.0ns RAM, so your having 1.6ns RAM does
look like a VIVO to me, but unfortunately I'm not knowledgeable enough to shed
more light onto this issue...
Achim |
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jakesnake66
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:30 pm Post subject:
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"SteveK" <nospam@iPrimus.com.au> wrote in message
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"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well, I wouldn't go that far. $100 was never enough to buy a decent
video
card. I just don't like it when a video card costs more than my CPU and
motherboard combined.
A decent video card u only need for gaming - for desktop/office
applications a ~$100 card is more than sufficient. If you want
stutterfree
gaming today you have to pay $500+ for the card but a badly written
driver for this particular card renders your expensive card into a
stuttering and texture corrupted game experience. Catch22...the industry
is on the best way to destroy itself!
Hallejuja
That's not true at all. The 9800Pro still is a great gaming card and it's
going for less then $200.
Coupled with a 2.5Ghz+ CPU the 9800Pro will run anything on the market
today
without a problem.
JLC
This is exactly right. For the last 3 "generations" of video cards - in my |
case GF3, GF4, and Radeon 9800Pro - I've spent almost precisely $200, and
I've had ZERO problems playing all the games that interest(ed) me. It might
take some tweaking, but who cares? I enjoy the challenge of turning a slide
show into 50fps. When I first loaded Far Cry, for example, I was a little
frustrated on my mobile 2500+/9800Pro/1gb pc3500 machine. This morning
however, I was playing on max'ed setting without a glitch (hit 17k on
3dmark01se, btw, for the first time;). The process of getting it there is
half the fun to me. If I want plug-n-play, I go to my Xbox. Also, to each
his own, but I don't particularly care to play the bleeding edge stuff,
which is even better. I'm much more into gameplay than graphics (although
they're both important), so I don't mind a bit buying and playing older
games - at 400fps ;))
I also have the advantage of passing all my "older" stuff down to my son's
machine, which allows me to compare the two computers on various games.
It's pretty rare that I can't make his run the stuff we want to. Yes,
sometimes we have to use my machine, but usually we can tweak his a bit and
get what we want. It puts the really high price, bleeding edge stuff in
perspective for me. I'm not critical of those who keep $1500 worth of new
hardware in their machines at all times. Again, to each his own. It's just
not necessary for me.
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JLC
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:24 am Post subject:
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"jakesnake66" <jake@lycos.com> wrote in message
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"JLC" <j.jc@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"SteveK" <nospam@iPrimus.com.au> wrote in message
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"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well, I wouldn't go that far. $100 was never enough to buy a decent
video
card. I just don't like it when a video card costs more than my CPU
and
motherboard combined.
A decent video card u only need for gaming - for desktop/office
applications a ~$100 card is more than sufficient. If you want
stutterfree
gaming today you have to pay $500+ for the card but a badly written
driver for this particular card renders your expensive card into a
stuttering and texture corrupted game experience. Catch22...the
industry
is on the best way to destroy itself!
Hallejuja
That's not true at all. The 9800Pro still is a great gaming card and it's
going for less then $200.
Coupled with a 2.5Ghz+ CPU the 9800Pro will run anything on the market
today
without a problem.
JLC
This is exactly right. For the last 3 "generations" of video cards - in
my
case GF3, GF4, and Radeon 9800Pro - I've spent almost precisely $200, and
I've had ZERO problems playing all the games that interest(ed) me. It
might
take some tweaking, but who cares? I enjoy the challenge of turning a
slide
show into 50fps. When I first loaded Far Cry, for example, I was a little
frustrated on my mobile 2500+/9800Pro/1gb pc3500 machine. This morning
however, I was playing on max'ed setting without a glitch (hit 17k on
3dmark01se, btw, for the first time;). The process of getting it there is
half the fun to me. If I want plug-n-play, I go to my Xbox. Also, to
each
his own, but I don't particularly care to play the bleeding edge stuff,
which is even better. I'm much more into gameplay than graphics (although
they're both important), so I don't mind a bit buying and playing older
games - at 400fps ;))
I also have the advantage of passing all my "older" stuff down to my son's
machine, which allows me to compare the two computers on various games.
It's pretty rare that I can't make his run the stuff we want to. Yes,
sometimes we have to use my machine, but usually we can tweak his a bit
and
get what we want. It puts the really high price, bleeding edge stuff in
perspective for me. I'm not critical of those who keep $1500 worth of new
hardware in their machines at all times. Again, to each his own. It's
just
not necessary for me.
jakesnake
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You sound just like me! I went through the same cards as you did, then I
finally left Nvida and got myself a 9800Pro. I also pass my cards down to my
daughters PC. I feel I really get the most bang for my buck going this way.
And in a year or so I'll be able to pick up a X800pro for $200. But until
then my trusty 9800Pro will be enough for me. JLC |
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