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Apostolos
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:37 pm Post subject:
x800 pro worth it? Or other ? |
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Hi all I just bought the x800 pro card from ati for 400 euro in greece
and I dont know whether I should keep it or return to the shop! My
system is p4 3.15 (over cloacked) with radeon 9700 pro. In rome total
war I get sometimes slowdowns since I am playing at 1280 resolution.
So I thought I should change the card. The difference in speed is
double from reviews I see at toms hardware. My system does not have
an pci express slot so the new x850 and x800 series is out of the
question. Rumor is that ati might release an agp version of these
cards but if they do they will do in january and that menas that a new
card will arriive in greece in march. Is this card worth it. ? I
wont be playing higher reolutions than 1280 since thats native in my
monitor. I wont play doom 3 but yes to hl2 so an ati is generaly a
better choice. Any thoughts?
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Warty
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:37 pm Post subject:
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I don't understand!!!
You say you got an x800 pro for 400 euro but later you say that an x800 is
out of the question!!!
The x800 pro is an AGP card not pci express and has been out for about 8
months, but you should know that because you got one for 400 euro.
So what's it going to be?
Warty
"Apostolos" <am59@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi all I just bought the x800 pro card from ati for 400 euro in greece
and I dont know whether I should keep it or return to the shop! My
system is p4 3.15 (over cloacked) with radeon 9700 pro. In rome total
war I get sometimes slowdowns since I am playing at 1280 resolution.
So I thought I should change the card. The difference in speed is
double from reviews I see at toms hardware. My system does not have
an pci express slot so the new x850 and x800 series is out of the
question. Rumor is that ati might release an agp version of these
cards but if they do they will do in january and that menas that a new
card will arriive in greece in march. Is this card worth it. ? I
wont be playing higher reolutions than 1280 since thats native in my
monitor. I wont play doom 3 but yes to hl2 so an ati is generaly a
better choice. Any thoughts?
Apostolos |
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Dan
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:12 am Post subject:
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I would return it. The Radeon 9700 pro is still a good card. Your processor
is overclocked so why don't you overclock your video card? The high price
of the X800 pro is hard to justify buying over the Radeon 9700 Pro.
You don't say how much ram your system has but I would recommend having a
1Gb.
But at the end of the day it's up to you.
Dan |
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DeRanger
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:29 am Post subject:
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In article <41c0c516$0$16576$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>, d@d.com
says...
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I would return it. The Radeon 9700 pro is still a good card. Your processor
is overclocked so why don't you overclock your video card? The high price
of the X800 pro is hard to justify buying over the Radeon 9700 Pro.
You don't say how much ram your system has but I would recommend having a
1Gb.
But at the end of the day it's up to you.
Dan
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An x800 pro overclocked is probably at least 3x faster than a 9700...
If you want to upgrade it is not a bad choice.
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DeRanger
Tactical Gamer
www.tacticalgamer.com
Your source for tactical online gaming. |
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NightSky 421
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:21 am Post subject:
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"DeRanger" <deranger-x@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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An x800 pro overclocked is probably at least 3x faster than a 9700...
If you want to upgrade it is not a bad choice.
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Plain 9700? My understanding was that the X800 Pro at stock speeds is 50%
faster (1.5x) than a stock 9800 Pro. The 9800 Pro isn't a lot better than
the 9700 Pro. I also understand that the X800XT PE is twice as fast as the
9800 Pro. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :-) |
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Chingy
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:23 pm Post subject:
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Dude you are not making a sense here>
You said you gotx800 card then you saying you wanna buy it?
I dunno wtf r u on...take it easy on grass LOL
"Apostolos" <am59@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi all I just bought the x800 pro card from ati for 400 euro in greece
and I dont know whether I should keep it or return to the shop! My
system is p4 3.15 (over cloacked) with radeon 9700 pro. In rome total
war I get sometimes slowdowns since I am playing at 1280 resolution.
So I thought I should change the card. The difference in speed is
double from reviews I see at toms hardware. My system does not have
an pci express slot so the new x850 and x800 series is out of the
question. Rumor is that ati might release an agp version of these
cards but if they do they will do in january and that menas that a new
card will arriive in greece in march. Is this card worth it. ? I
wont be playing higher reolutions than 1280 since thats native in my
monitor. I wont play doom 3 but yes to hl2 so an ati is generaly a
better choice. Any thoughts?
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First of One
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:23 am Post subject:
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I consider any video card priced over $400 to be ridiculous.
Anyone remember the days when you could spend $200 on a Voodoo3 or TNT2
Ultra and be "king of the hill"?
--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
"Apostolos" <am59@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote in message
news:a49f73d0.0412151037.47071e2b@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Hi all I just bought the x800 pro card from ati for 400 euro in greece
and I dont know whether I should keep it or return to the shop! My
system is p4 3.15 (over cloacked) with radeon 9700 pro. In rome total
war I get sometimes slowdowns since I am playing at 1280 resolution.
So I thought I should change the card. The difference in speed is
double from reviews I see at toms hardware. My system does not have
an pci express slot so the new x850 and x800 series is out of the
question. Rumor is that ati might release an agp version of these
cards but if they do they will do in january and that menas that a new
card will arriive in greece in march. Is this card worth it. ? I
wont be playing higher reolutions than 1280 since thats native in my
monitor. I wont play doom 3 but yes to hl2 so an ati is generaly a
better choice. Any thoughts?
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SteveK
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject:
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"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I consider any video card priced over $400 to be ridiculous.
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Bravo, me in the same boat and going one step further - no video card
currently on the market is worth its price except the up to $100 bracket.
Pricing in the "high-end" branch is overall ridiculous no matter Ati or
Nvidia. |
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First of One
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:43 pm Post subject:
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Well, I wouldn't go that far. $100 was never enough to buy a decent video
card. I just don't like it when a video card costs more than my CPU and
motherboard combined.
--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
"SteveK" <nospam@iPrimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:41c2a0bf$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
| Quote: | Bravo, me in the same boat and going one step further - no video card
currently on the market is worth its price except the up to $100 bracket.
Pricing in the "high-end" branch is overall ridiculous no matter Ati or
Nvidia.
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SteveK
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:46 am Post subject:
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"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Well, I wouldn't go that far. $100 was never enough to buy a decent video
card. I just don't like it when a video card costs more than my CPU and
motherboard combined.
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A decent video card u only need for gaming - for desktop/office
applications a ~$100 card is more than sufficient. If you want stutterfree
gaming today you have to pay $500+ for the card but a badly written driver
for this particular card renders your expensive card into a stuttering and
texture corrupted game experience. Catch22...the industry is on the best way
to destroy itself!
Hallejuja |
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JLC
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:21 am Post subject:
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"SteveK" <nospam@iPrimus.com.au> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8aWdne4iceUsgV7cRVn-3Q@rogers.com
Well, I wouldn't go that far. $100 was never enough to buy a decent video
card. I just don't like it when a video card costs more than my CPU and
motherboard combined.
A decent video card u only need for gaming - for desktop/office
applications a ~$100 card is more than sufficient. If you want stutterfree
gaming today you have to pay $500+ for the card but a badly written
driver for this particular card renders your expensive card into a
stuttering and texture corrupted game experience. Catch22...the industry
is on the best way to destroy itself!
Hallejuja
That's not true at all. The 9800Pro still is a great gaming card and it's |
going for less then $200.
Coupled with a 2.5Ghz+ CPU the 9800Pro will run anything on the market today
without a problem.
JLC |
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SteveK
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:39 am Post subject:
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"JLC" <j.jc@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "SteveK" <nospam@iPrimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:41c361f9$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8aWdne4iceUsgV7cRVn-3Q@rogers.com
Well, I wouldn't go that far. $100 was never enough to buy a decent
video card. I just don't like it when a video card costs more than my
CPU and motherboard combined.
A decent video card u only need for gaming - for desktop/office
applications a ~$100 card is more than sufficient. If you want
stutterfree gaming today you have to pay $500+ for the card but a badly
written driver for this particular card renders your expensive card into
a stuttering and texture corrupted game experience. Catch22...the
industry is on the best way to destroy itself!
Hallejuja
That's not true at all. The 9800Pro still is a great gaming card and it's
going for less then $200.
Coupled with a 2.5Ghz+ CPU the 9800Pro will run anything on the market
today without a problem.
JLC
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You make a very good point! - an more expensive video card ($200+) should
play on less powerful systems as well! 2.5gig+ ? Sorry, even 1.8gig is more
than fully sufficient CPU power...IF u know how to optimise drivers
properly. But ur right, me thinking of the "janitor" quality of most driver
developers out there who cant even handle assembler code properly. nuf
said....
:) |
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First of One
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:39 am Post subject:
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Before the likes of HLSL or Cg, wasn't pixel shader code essentially
assembler code, but written for crazy complex GPUs?
--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
"SteveK" <nospam@iPrimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:41c37c77$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
| Quote: | You make a very good point! - an more expensive video card ($200+) should
play on less powerful systems as well! 2.5gig+ ? Sorry, even 1.8gig is
more
than fully sufficient CPU power...IF u know how to optimise drivers
properly. But ur right, me thinking of the "janitor" quality of most
driver
developers out there who cant even handle assembler code properly. nuf
said....
:)
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SteveK
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:45 am Post subject:
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"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9a6dnQAMN9Q1EV7cRVn-iw@rogers.com
| Quote: | Before the likes of HLSL or Cg, wasn't pixel shader code essentially
assembler code, but written for crazy complex GPUs?
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Assembler is the only low-level code out there working directly on (g)cpu's
register level. This means it's the fastest and most effective way to
communicate with a (g)cpu. U are absolutely right! by now the gpu got
crazily complex and
exactly that's what makes them so slow by traditional coding means. It's
time to remember old coding school rules - (g)cpu intensive parts of the
driver must
be coded in assembler to minimise the impact on performance. Yes, pixel
shaders, for one part, is a brilliant candidate for assembler. However,
assembler requires much more lines of code and a very deep knowledge of
effective coding (preventing spaghetti loops/code) but, at the end of the
day, the performance gain is mind blowing and very much rewarding.
Developers should think about this....the way it is right now is a bloody
joke! |
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First of One
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:30 am Post subject:
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Fastest, but not effective, simply because of the dramatically increased
workload on the part of the programmer. The performance advantage of
assembler will decrease once the HLSL compilers mature.
--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
"SteveK" <nospam@iPrimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:41c39ab7_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
| Quote: | Assembler is the only low-level code out there working directly on
(g)cpu's
register level. This means it's the fastest and most effective way to
communicate with a (g)cpu. U are absolutely right! by now the gpu got
crazily complex and
exactly that's what makes them so slow by traditional coding means. It's
time to remember old coding school rules - (g)cpu intensive parts of the
driver must
be coded in assembler to minimise the impact on performance. Yes, pixel
shaders, for one part, is a brilliant candidate for assembler. However,
assembler requires much more lines of code and a very deep knowledge of
effective coding (preventing spaghetti loops/code) but, at the end of the
day, the performance gain is mind blowing and very much rewarding.
Developers should think about this....the way it is right now is a bloody
joke! |
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