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Garry Jones
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:19 am Post subject:
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I have a NEC Superscript 610plus and it has worked without problems
since 1997. A few weeks ago I purchased a new toner cartridge, only the
third one in 8 years - and I print a lot. The cartridge cost £106,
($184). Now I have upgraded to XP and I tried to install the printer
with the 98 drivers, didn't work. So I tried to download the latest
drivers, there are none. Instead I am greeted by this message...
"The SuperScript 600 series of laser printers were GDI printers, ie only
made for the windows 3.1x/9x GDI interface. Driver for Windows NT, 2000
and XP will not be released. Source:
http://www.nec.se/templates/Page.asp?id=2994
But it also used to print PCL and according to one website the
Superscript was a fast printer because it allowed GDI printing. "GDI
technology makes it unnecessary to translate to a printer language (e.g.
PCL) in the PC and then translate back in the printer." Source:
http://www.de.nec.de/print_faq.php?id=567
According to another website - "Silentwriter isnt supported in windows
NT/2K/XP as microsoft removed GDI driver support and the printer is
unable to emulate PCL 4 or 5" Source:
http://www.driversearch.com/forums/printer/5748.html
So my questions.
What is GDI printing and if it is so great why would Microsoft get rid
of it and waste over £100 of my money. Why don't NEC fix this problem or
offer a free replacement printer if they can't?
Who is to blame Nec or Microsoft?
Yes, I could go back to Win 98, but there the IP telephone program Skype
does not work, so I am dammed if I do and dammed if I don't....
And now to the most important question.....
Surely there must be a driver somewhere that is going to allow my
printer to print in XP?
Thanks for any answers
Garry Jones
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zakezuke
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:38 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | What is GDI printing and if it is so great why would Microsoft get rid
of it and waste over £100 of my money. Why don't NEC fix this problem or
offer a free replacement printer if they can't?
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Microsoft didn't get rid of GDI (Graphical Device Interface), NEC
doesn't make a driver for win2k. The most non technical way to explain
this is... GDI printers are stupid printer that depend on the computers
brains. For example we have the letter "A". On many printers you can
send "A" and it will understand what A is, what it looks like, and slap
"A" on a page. GDI printers don't understand A so the computer draws a
picture of an A and instructs the printer to draw the picture line by
line. There are many GDI printers that work just dandy under win2k...
just not the NEC superscript series.
According to NEC support was dropped due to a lack of support of "GDI
ports" in win2k... franky I have NO clue what that means and it makes
no sense as the Minotla 1100 driver seems to work for the 660+.
http://www.printer-drivers.com/drivers/45/45307.htm
Driver's guide says they have one for 2k
http://www.printer-drivers.com/drivers/77/77829.htm
| Quote: | | Who is to blame Nec or Microsoft? |
Probally Nec... something changed and they are too lazy to support a 10
year old printer. This happens...
| Quote: | Why don't NEC fix this problem or offer a free replacement printer if they can't?
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NEC might not have even made the printer. If they didn't they
probally didn't even make the driver. If this is so they might not
have any right to copy someone elses driver and distribute it on their
own. Could be they gotta shell out bucks to get the reference driver
and they just don't want to. Don't know. I've not seen or heard of an
NEC printer since the 1990s so it's most likely they are just out of
the game and have no interest in supporting their printers, and
unfortunatly since they never advertised the printer would work for 2k
or xp they are under no legal obligation to give you one.
| Quote: | Surely there must be a driver somewhere that is going to allow my
printer to print in XP?
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http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=NEC-SuperScript_610plus
I reference the linux listing because it' is possible to print to the
printer so long as it's not the local printer but attached to a win9x
box as a shared printer. The same could hold true for win2k.. but I
don't actually know.
| Quote: | What is GDI printing and if it is so great why would Microsoft get rid
of it and waste over £100 of my money.
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Don't listen to marketing... they do their best to make every little
trivial thing sound cooler than sliced bread. GDI printers are simply
stupid printers and because they are stupid they cost less. |
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JR
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Unbelievable |
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Have you tried installing in "compatibility mode"? Right click on the
..exe file and chose. I've found it to work about half the time.
Good luck.
HTH,
Frank |
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ZR
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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Couple of months ago, I had to down grade one of my machines to WIN98 in
order to use my NEC 660+ while my Epson CX5400 was dying. I was able to set
it up on the WIN98 machine and print from XP machine. On the XP machine, I
installed one of those HP PLC drivers that come with XP. I don't remember
which one I selected. I tried a few of them, most of them didn't work. I
think your only option is to do what I did. You can get a cheap (even free)
old machine to install WIN98 and network them together.
The 660+ actually worked after few years in the basement. But the toner was
out. I was actually considering to get new toner for it. But the cover was
broken. So I put both the NEC and Epson in the dumpster and get a Cannon
IP4000 (Color Inkjet) and a Brother HL-2070N (B&W Laser with Network). So
far so good. |
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Burt
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Unbelievable |
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| Quote: | What is GDI printing and if it is so great why would Microsoft get rid
of it and waste over £100 of my money. Why don't NEC fix this problem or
offer a free replacement printer if they can't?
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Microsoft didn't get rid of GDI (Graphical Device Interface), NEC
doesn't make a driver for win2k. The most non technical way to explain
this is... GDI printers are stupid printer that depend on the computers
brains. For example we have the letter "A". On many printers you can
send "A" and it will understand what A is, what it looks like, and slap
"A" on a page. GDI printers don't understand A so the computer draws a
picture of an A and instructs the printer to draw the picture line by
line. There are many GDI printers that work just dandy under win2k...
just not the NEC superscript series.
According to NEC support was dropped due to a lack of support of "GDI
ports" in win2k... franky I have NO clue what that means and it makes
no sense as the Minotla 1100 driver seems to work for the 660+.
http://www.printer-drivers.com/drivers/45/45307.htm
Driver's guide says they have one for 2k
http://www.printer-drivers.com/drivers/77/77829.htm
| Quote: | Who is to blame Nec or Microsoft?
Probally Nec... something changed and they are too lazy to support a 10 |
year old printer. This happens...
| Quote: | Why don't NEC fix this problem or offer a free replacement printer if they
can't?
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NEC might not have even made the printer. If they didn't they
probally didn't even make the driver. If this is so they might not
have any right to copy someone elses driver and distribute it on their
own. Could be they gotta shell out bucks to get the reference driver
and they just don't want to. Don't know. I've not seen or heard of an
NEC printer since the 1990s so it's most likely they are just out of
the game and have no interest in supporting their printers, and
unfortunatly since they never advertised the printer would work for 2k
or xp they are under no legal obligation to give you one.
| Quote: | Surely there must be a driver somewhere that is going to allow my
printer to print in XP?
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http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=NEC-SuperScript_610plus
I reference the linux listing because it' is possible to print to the
printer so long as it's not the local printer but attached to a win9x
box as a shared printer. The same could hold true for win2k.. but I
don't actually know.
| Quote: | What is GDI printing and if it is so great why would Microsoft get rid
of it and waste over £100 of my money.
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Don't listen to marketing... they do their best to make every little
trivial thing sound cooler than sliced bread. GDI printers are simply
stupid printers and because they are stupid they cost less.
As operating systems are upgraded, many perfectly functional devices such as
printers and scanners become useless due to the lack of updated drivers.
Although a person could probably search for drivers prior to the OS upgrade,
I suspect that most people would still opt for the OS upgrade to match the
upgrade in CPU, motherboard, etc. in a newly purchased computer. Add to
this the fact that Microsoft drops p;rofessional IT support of older
versions of Windows on a scheduled basis and you pay the price for progress
(?) by having to buy new peripherals. For businesses that rely on their
computer networks this is just part of the price of doing business, but for
the individual consumer it is a pain in the neck and can also be costly. |
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