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measekite
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Printhead Clogged or Fried??? |
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Burt wrote:
| Quote: | "Taliesyn" <taliesyn4@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:11nf00jg4j5r475@corp.supernews.com...
ray wrote:
I have a Canon i850 that has given me good service
for the past 2 years or so. Today 1/4 of the heavy
cyan jets stopped printing. On the nozzle check
for the dark cyan the bottom half is good, the upper
half prints every other cycle. It seems unlikely
that it is a clog. Cleaning cycles do not change its
behavior. Is the printhead fried, or is there something
else I should try.
The cartridge may have reached the end of its life. Try a new
cartridge. I had this problem with an i850 a couple of years ago.
This has nothing to do with OEM or non-OEM inks. It just wouldn't work
anymore with one of my refilled cartridge sets, problems similar to
yours. I put in a new compatible cartridge set (not filled by me) and
everything was fine again. It's worth a try. It's probably wise to junk
refilled cartridges after a year of use. Remember, OEM cartridges are
used only once, and then the still perfectly good cartridge is wasted by
throwing them out. I recycle my OEM cartridges for refill use. They're
good for about a year, maybe longer.
You make an important point for people who refill their carts,
A MESSY PAIN IN THE ASS |
| Quote: | Taliesyn.
Refilling requires gaining some knowledge to be able to discern the
difference between a poorly performing cart and a fried printhead.
NOBODY REALLY CARES IF YOU USE OEM INK |
| Quote: | As carts are refilled several times they can either start "starving" for
air intake at the air vent which then prevents ink from flowing out on
demand, or there can be an internal buildup of dried ink inside the cart
which doesn't let the ink flow out. Both of these conditions can be checked
quickly by removing the cart from the printer, removing the seal from the
fill hole, and seeing if ink drips from the outlet port.
MAYBE IT WILL DRIP ON THE CARPET |
| Quote: | You can also blow
gentlly into the air vent, and that should produce some ink drips fromt the
ink outlet port. If you have to really blow hard into the air vent to get
some drips the cart will not function properly in the printer. You should
always have a set of good carts on hand, and simply replacing the errant
cart will let you know very soon if the problem was the old cart.
On the Nifty-Stuff forum
HAIL MARY |
| Quote: | there are several articles on rejuvinating tired
carts that have been refilled several times and stop functioning. One
person has a "purge" device that he hooks up to the hot water faucet. He
backflushes all his carts perioodically to disolve dried ink, vacuums out
the excess water, lets the carts dry in the sun, and then refills as if they
were new.
NOW IS THAT EVER A PAIN |
| Quote: | Another approach which works is to fill the cart enough to fill
the sponge and microwave the cart for VERY short bursts - 5 sec at a time.
HOW ABOUT 20 MINUTES. LIKE IT WELL DONE |
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Best to also have a glass of water in the microwave to absorb some of the
energy as you can overdo it quickly and spend the rest of the day cleaning
the ink out of the microwave!
HA HA HA |
| Quote: | Easier to just buy new virgin
LACK OF EXPERIENCE |
| Quote: | carts, but some
people are diehard recyclers and will spend the time to work over their old
carts so they can then function like new until the sponge deteriorates and
renders them DOA.
Buying OEM carts for one time use is certainly a "no-brainer," but for me
the considerable savings justifies refilling, especially in view of the
excellent results I get with MIS
HE DOES NOT KNOW WHO THE MFG/FORMULATOR IS BECAUSE THE LABELER WILL NOT |
TELL THEM.
| Quote: | inks and the absolute lack of clogs in over
a year with two Canon i960 printers.
MOST PEOPLE HAVE CLOGS |
| Quote: | OEM carts are excellent for refilling
NO CART IS GOOD FOR REFILLING. |
| Quote: | as are several vendors' virgin and/or prefilled carts.
One thing for sure- running the cleaning routine repeatedly for either a
head clog or poorly functioning cart is a waste of time and ink. A few
light cleanings and a heavy one will either work or you need to move on to
techniques that have been mentioned on this NG or, in more detail, on the
Nifty-Stuff forum.
HERE COME DA CHURCH |
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measekite
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| Posted:
Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Printhead Clogged or Fried??? |
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ray wrote:
| Quote: | "Taliesyn" <taliesyn4@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:11nf00jg4j5r475@corp.supernews.com...
ray wrote:
I have a Canon i850 that has given me good service
for the past 2 years or so. Today 1/4 of the heavy
cyan jets stopped printing. On the nozzle check
for the dark cyan the bottom half is good, the upper
half prints every other cycle. It seems unlikely
that it is a clog. Cleaning cycles do not change its
behavior. Is the printhead fried, or is there something
else I should try.
The cartridge may have reached the end of its life. Try a new
cartridge. I had this problem with an i850 a couple of years ago.
This has nothing to do with OEM or non-OEM inks. It just wouldn't work
anymore with one of my refilled cartridge sets, problems similar to
yours. I put in a new compatible cartridge set (not filled by me) and
everything was fine again. It's worth a try. It's probably wise to junk
refilled cartridges after a year of use. Remember, OEM cartridges are
used only once, and then the still perfectly good cartridge is wasted by
throwing them out. I recycle my OEM cartridges for refill use. They're
good for about a year, maybe longer.
Printheads appear to be about $60 which makes
replacement uneconomic. I have refilled cartridges
about 20 times so my saving over buying new cartridges
is about $900.
20 times refilling seems awful high and might be way past their useful
life. That's much longer than I run mine. Their effective usefulness
deteriorates slightly with each refill. I'd suggest shortening the
life span.
Thanks for the reply
The cartrige had been replaced a short while ago. I am familiar
with cartridge wear out where the sponge will not give enough
ink flow. This problem is different. You are right in that I can
get about 10 refills per cartridge
TRY 100 |
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I like the hobbicolors.com refill kits (sold on eBay). I just ordered a
new set. They come with nifty new blank cartridges with plastic screws to
seal the refill hole. New, clean blanks avoid the problem of putting
new ink into another brand's cartridge that previously held another type
of ink.
To keep the resident troll at bay, even
if refilling killed the printhead I am way ahead of the game.
You and I save so much by refilling we don't worry about replacements. I
actually run 3 printers now - i860, iP4000 and iP5000, and all with bulk
or prefilled cartridges. If I bought OEM ink I couldn't afford to buy the
ink even for 1 printer. My i860 is used only for special, long print
jobs at high resolution. It's the one I'm willing to sacrifice first as it
is the oldest. When there's nothing for it to print I take out the
printhead and wash out 100% of the ink, run some lubricant in the intake
tubes and put it in a plastic bag for storage until I need it again. It
might be 2 or 3 times a year, max. The other two printers are for everyday
use. Sometimes I split a job over two printers (running simultaneously) to
shorten a job. Very handy.
Any recommendations on a replacement printer? Preference
would be given to photo print quality, ease of refill, being
able to use the current ink I have.
iP4000, and iP5000, if you can still find them, they're greatly
discounted. Bulk inks for the current line of iP4200 and iP5200 are a
little hard to find at the moment, but they are available. There are no
compatible cartridges yet, that I have seen.
I believe the i850 used ink for BCI-3 cartridges. The i860, iP4000 and
iP5000 all use BCI-6 inks. However, the large BCI-3e black is used by all
the printers. Hang on to that one.
IP4000 is selling for just over $100. How does your IP4000 compare
with your i860 for photo printing? There was some discussion on
BCI-3 and BCI-6 inks and I think the consensus is the ink is interchangable.
MIS sells the same ink for BCI-3 and BCI-6 cartridges. Do you know
otherwise?
Is $100 for an IP4000 a good deal?
-Taliesyn
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FB
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| Posted:
Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Printhead Clogged or Fried??? |
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Burt wrote:
| Quote: | "Taliesyn" <taliesyn4@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:11nf00jg4j5r475@corp.supernews.com...
ray wrote:
I have a Canon i850 that has given me good service
for the past 2 years or so. Today 1/4 of the heavy
cyan jets stopped printing. On the nozzle check
for the dark cyan the bottom half is good, the upper
half prints every other cycle. It seems unlikely
that it is a clog. Cleaning cycles do not change its
behavior. Is the printhead fried, or is there something
else I should try.
The cartridge may have reached the end of its life. Try a new
cartridge. I had this problem with an i850 a couple of years ago.
This has nothing to do with OEM or non-OEM inks. It just wouldn't work
anymore with one of my refilled cartridge sets, problems similar to
yours. I put in a new compatible cartridge set (not filled by me) and
everything was fine again. It's worth a try. It's probably wise to junk
refilled cartridges after a year of use. Remember, OEM cartridges are
used only once, and then the still perfectly good cartridge is wasted by
throwing them out. I recycle my OEM cartridges for refill use. They're
good for about a year, maybe longer.
You make an important point for people who refill their carts, Taliesyn.
Refilling requires gaining some knowledge to be able to discern the
difference between a poorly performing cart and a fried printhead.
As carts are refilled several times they can either start "starving" for
air intake at the air vent which then prevents ink from flowing out on
demand, or there can be an internal buildup of dried ink inside the cart
which doesn't let the ink flow out. Both of these conditions can be checked
quickly by removing the cart from the printer, removing the seal from the
fill hole, and seeing if ink drips from the outlet port. You can also blow
gentlly into the air vent, and that should produce some ink drips fromt the
ink outlet port. If you have to really blow hard into the air vent to get
some drips the cart will not function properly in the printer. You should
always have a set of good carts on hand, and simply replacing the errant
cart will let you know very soon if the problem was the old cart.
On the Nifty-Stuff forum there are several articles on rejuvinating tired
carts that have been refilled several times and stop functioning. One
person has a "purge" device that he hooks up to the hot water faucet. He
backflushes all his carts perioodically to disolve dried ink, vacuums out
the excess water, lets the carts dry in the sun, and then refills as if they
were new. Another approach which works is to fill the cart enough to fill
the sponge and microwave the cart for VERY short bursts - 5 sec at a time.
Best to also have a glass of water in the microwave to absorb some of the
energy as you can overdo it quickly and spend the rest of the day cleaning
the ink out of the microwave! Easier to just buy new virgin carts, but some
people are diehard recyclers and will spend the time to work over their old
carts so they can then function like new until the sponge deteriorates and
renders them DOA.
Buying OEM carts for one time use is certainly a "no-brainer," but for me
the considerable savings justifies refilling, especially in view of the
excellent results I get with MIS inks and the absolute lack of clogs in over
a year with two Canon i960 printers. OEM carts are excellent for refilling
as are several vendors' virgin and/or prefilled carts.
One thing for sure- running the cleaning routine repeatedly for either a
head clog or poorly functioning cart is a waste of time and ink. A few
light cleanings and a heavy one will either work or you need to move on to
techniques that have been mentioned on this NG or, in more detail, on the
Nifty-Stuff forum.
Excellent advice for those planning on refilling their carts. |
Frank |
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