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Marvin
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:06 am Post subject:
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CWatters wrote:
| Quote: | "Susan Sharm" <susanshaarm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What is the procedure for home repair of Hewlett Packard #14 print
heads?
My CYAN stopped printing (even though the refilled cartridge is full)
and a diagnostic report from the HP OfficeJet D145 all in one printer
says the CYAN print head needs to be replaced.
Since the print head has to be replaced, I may as well attempt a home
repair. But how?
A friend suggested I remove the bad cyan printhead drip a solvent such
as alcohol or acetone or hydrogen peroxide on the top steel grid until
it runs clear - which might unblock the screen in case it's blocked by
teeny tiny honey-I-shrunk-the-kids debris.
He said then to gently swipe the bottom of the print head with the
solvent so as to free up goldish metallic strips on the bottom.
Is there a published procedure for home cleaning & repair of print
heads as a last ditch effort before replacing them altogether?
This cart has the head built in right?
I found the heads in the HP carts would fail after several refills for no
obvious reason. They wern't blocked (you could see the ink when blotted) and
there wasn't an air lock (usually cured by twirling it around in a plastic
bag) they just wouldn't print. No solution - just suck the ink out and put
it into another cart.
It may be a problem with the electrical contacts on the outside of the cartridge.They |
don't stand up well to repeated removals and reinsertions of the cartridge. Cleaning the
contacts sometimes helps. |
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zakezuke
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:14 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Noble sentiments, except that most who refill have ruined at least one item
of clothing, used solvents of dubious ecological integrity in an attempt to
remove ink stains off of clothing and hands, used solvents of dubious
ecological integrity in an attempt to clean an intransigent print head, used
more than one sheet of paper while trying to get a test page that shows all
is well..
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Hate to say it but i've "never" ruined a piece of clothing... not that
I didn't once on my epson spew yellow everywhere but I have since
abandoned vacuum filling. Even so, if stained it becomes a rag.
I did have some kaki dockers on but a simple wash resolved that issue.
While some might require some harsh chemicals to clean a printhead...
for HPs boiling water seems to do the trick perfectly well. Even so a
pad with a few squirts of windex... basicly a low concentration of
ammonia from time to time beats dumping plastic with a few ml of dye
water and ammonia in the landfill *all the time*, not to speak of the
lead and other metals used in making of ink cartridges.
And let's say for example you do get a bum print... well that can be
recycled.
I'll agree if you spew ink everywhere all the time, waste reams of
paper all the time, and are totally incompetent at refilling... by no
means don't do it. I was incompetent on refilling HPs my self so I
switched to Epson then Canon. But what your speaking off is exclusivly
house refilling... not refills or refill stations which should help
reduce the waste of stained clothing. Better tools, experenced
people... less stained clothing.
It's still a superb idea. Not for everyone but for the most part it
does reduce waste... unless you prefer extra plastic with unused ink in
the landfills. |
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Stefaan A Eeckels
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:30 am Post subject:
Re: Home repair of Hewlett Packard color printer print heads |
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On 13 Nov 2005 06:57:05 -0800
"Susan Sharm" <susanshaarm@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
Bottom line: this MFD is OK in an office setup where at least a
couple of sheets are printed every day, and replacing cartridges is
not an issue. In a home setting, it needs a quite bit of TLC to
ensure the heads don't dry out.
I don't know what a MFD is but I have only printed about 300 or 400
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MFD - Multi Functional Device. It's the combined
fax/scanner/printer/copier machines we're talking about here.
| Quote: | pages in the couple of years that I've had this printer so it mostly
sits there, shut off. I maybe print once every few weeks a few photos
of the kid who is still at home and the grandchildren when they find
the time to send me email.
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Try to print at least a test page every week, or else clean the print
heads once a fortnight (Menu|7.Status & Maintenance|2.Clean Printheads)
to ensure there is no build-up of dry ink in the heads. Or make a
photocopy of a shopping list or so :-). It'll cost you less in the long
term, and save a lot of aggravation like soaking the heads in Windex.
Also, replace the cartridges when they expire even if they're not empty.
| Quote: | What is it that happens to a printhead when it sits idle?
How does just sitting there kill a printhead?
What does killing mean anyway? Does an electrical contact dry out or
something?
There must be something that happens (is it simply a clog forms?)
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That's indeed what happens. The older the tank, the thicker the
ink (it thickens even in un-opened cartridges, which is why they have
a "use by" date). It is a fact that HP makes a lot on ink tanks and
would like you to buy vast quantities of them, but this drying out of
the ink in un-opened tanks is real. You have to watch the use-by date
when buying ink tanks, and make sure you don't keep expired cartridges
in the printer for too long.
Take care,
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Stefaan
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As complexity rises, precise statements lose meaning,
and meaningful statements lose precision. -- Lotfi Zadeh |
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Ben Myers
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:09 am Post subject:
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Wow. I never would have thought to boil cartridges, but your explanation makes
sense... Ben Myers
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:21:16 -0500, "Rita Ä Berkowitz" <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com>
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| Quote: | CWatters wrote:
This cart has the head built in right?
I found the heads in the HP carts would fail after several refills
for no obvious reason. They wern't blocked (you could see the ink
when blotted) and there wasn't an air lock (usually cured by twirling
it around in a plastic bag) they just wouldn't print. No solution -
just suck the ink out and put it into another cart.
Pretty much all HP cartridges respond really well when the heads are placed
in about 3/4" of boiling water for 5-minute. I have restored countless HP
plotter and printer cartridges that have been open and sitting for several
years with this method. Solvents don't reach deep in the capillaries and
other areas farther back like heated water.
Rita
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zakezuke
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:30 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | What a crock of bullshit! At least you've got our local idiot agreeing with you.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying a crock of bullshit. I mean I can't say
i've lost any clothing due to refilling but I imagine that is possible.
And while I wouldn't call hydrogen peroxide a dubious chemical someone
I guess might. I will say it's totally slanted tward house refilling
when I made it very clear there were other options. I will agree that
HP cartridges are not the most ideal to refill.. not sure on their
inktanks the the cartridges with a printhead not ideal at all. And I
agree if you're using up more paper towels, a butt load of cleaning
solutions than paper and ink I'll agree home refilling is probally not
for you...
....but what i'm not understanding is if one is ruining at least one
piece of clothing why are they not using it for a rag rather than
buying more paper towels. If the fingers are inkstained why not buy
some gloves. Do your best to use the pure and natural h2o universal
solvent when ever possible. This is... refilled and refill service are
not covered at all in this argument. While it's true the cartridges do
have a limited lifespan only refilling *once* will reduce your waste in
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FB
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | What a crock of bullshit! At least you've got our local idiot agreeing with you.
I wouldn't go as far as saying a crock of bullshit. I mean I can't say
i've lost any clothing due to refilling but I imagine that is possible.
And while I wouldn't call hydrogen peroxide a dubious chemical someone
I guess might. I will say it's totally slanted tward house refilling
when I made it very clear there were other options. I will agree that
HP cartridges are not the most ideal to refill.. not sure on their
inktanks the the cartridges with a printhead not ideal at all. And I
agree if you're using up more paper towels, a butt load of cleaning
solutions than paper and ink I'll agree home refilling is probally not
for you...
...but what i'm not understanding is if one is ruining at least one
piece of clothing why are they not using it for a rag rather than
buying more paper towels. If the fingers are inkstained why not buy
some gloves. Do your best to use the pure and natural h2o universal
solvent when ever possible. This is... refilled and refill service are
not covered at all in this argument. While it's true the cartridges do
have a limited lifespan only refilling *once* will reduce your waste in
half.
Sorry zz but it is a crock of bullshit and you and all the rest of us |
know it. It's better ecologically to refill carts than to use one and
then dump it into the trash. Even recycling them is not as ecologically
sound as keeping one and refilling it about 10 times before having to
recycle it. You need not be a mental giant to understand that math.
And the mess you might encounter from you first time refilling? Well
it's nothing to be concerned about. And the pics produced from top
quality after market inks is simply outstanding. Listen to me and all
the others who use after market inks for decades. We know what we're
talking about. Not like that oem jackass who has his head so far up his
ass he needs to unbutton his shirt to see any daylight and has never
used any after market inks. What a moron loser he is.
If anyone thinks after market goods represent inferior quality, just ask
any gear head what they think about the quality of after market parts.
The ink market is very similar.
Frank |
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George E. Cawthon
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Home repair of Hewlett Packard color printer print heads |
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Susan Sharm wrote:
| Quote: | Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
Bottom line: this MFD is OK in an office setup where at least a couple
of sheets are printed every day, and replacing cartridges is not an
issue. In a home setting, it needs a quite bit of TLC to ensure the
heads don't dry out.
I don't know what a MFD is but I have only printed about 300 or 400
pages in the couple of years that I've had this printer so it mostly
sits there, shut off. I maybe print once every few weeks a few photos
of the kid who is still at home and the grandchildren when they find
the time to send me email.
What is it that happens to a printhead when it sits idle?
How does just sitting there kill a printhead?
What does killing mean anyway? Does an electrical contact dry out or
something?
There must be something that happens (is it simply a clog forms?)
Thank you, in advance, for your help,
Susan
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Here is a picture of the inside of a print head in
a cartridge that has dried ink and melted the
heating chamber(s). I would suspect that a
separate print head would be similar but more sturdy.
http://www.alotofthings.com/inkjetinformation/BurnItUp.htm |
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Leythos
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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In article <cJSdf.48$Gt6.3@fed1read03>, fb@nospanm.cmm says...
| Quote: | And the mess you might encounter from you first time refilling? Well
it's nothing to be concerned about. And the pics produced from top
quality after market inks is simply outstanding. Listen to me and all
the others who use after market inks for decades. We know what we're
talking about.
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For some Inkjet printers refilling them is not worth the trouble. I've
always owned Epson inkjet printers because they always had better image
quality than Cannon or HP (IMNSHO). I print a lot, my kids print a lot,
and I've tried every type of refill kit with them. Most times, now
matter how careful I was (and I'm not unskilled) I got ink on the work
area, over filled the cart, found the ink bleeding out the bottom after
I had filled it, etc... After a week of not using the printer with a
refill cart, the head would have a plugged nozzle or some other problem.
It got bad enough that I kept a set of carts with Windex in them to
clean the head (since the head is in the printer not the cart)....
After more than a decade of "dealing with" inkjet printers I purchase a
Wax Thermal printer and I've never looked back, works every time, no
mess, print is better than ink, color is BRIGHT on all papers, etc...
Sure, the printer cost $950 and wax cubes for 6,000 sheets costs $100,
but, it works every time all the time and it's fast.
Some after market parts are not worth the cost you pay for them.
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spam999free@rrohio.com
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SJF
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | What is it that happens to a printhead when it sits idle?
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On my HP printers, and I presume on others as well, the idle print head is
parked with the nozzles pressed against a rubber pad. This is to prevent,
or minimize, the ink from drying in the nozzles. Seems to work pretty well.
I believe a microscope drop of ink is propelled from a small chamber by heat
generated by an electrical pulse. The heat forms a small bubble to propel
the ink. The same fuzzy memory also suggests that they were, early on,
called bubble jet printers. Anyone care to straighten this out?
SJF |
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measekite
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | What a crock of bullshit! At least you've got our local idiot agreeing with you.
I wouldn't go as far as saying a crock of bullshit. I mean I can't say
i've lost any clothing due to refilling but I imagine that is possible.
And while I wouldn't call hydrogen peroxide a dubious chemical someone
I guess might. I will say it's totally slanted tward house refilling
when I made it very clear there were other options. I will agree that
HP cartridges are not the most ideal to refill.. not sure on their
inktanks the the cartridges with a printhead not ideal at all. And I
agree if you're using up more paper towels, a butt load of cleaning
solutions than paper and ink I'll agree home refilling is probally not
for you...
...but what i'm not understanding is if one is ruining at least one
piece of clothing why are they not using it for a rag rather than
buying more paper towels. If the fingers are inkstained why not buy
some gloves. Do your best to use the pure and natural h2o universal
solvent when ever possible. This is... refilled and refill service are
not covered at all in this argument. While it's true the cartridges do
have a limited lifespan only refilling *once* will reduce your waste in
half.
HE AGREED THAT IT IS A MESS |
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measekite
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Home repair of Hewlett Packard color printer print heads |
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George E. Cawthon wrote:
| Quote: | Susan Sharm wrote:
Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
Bottom line: this MFD is OK in an office setup where at least a couple
of sheets are printed every day, and replacing cartridges is not an
issue. In a home setting, it needs a quite bit of TLC to ensure the
heads don't dry out.
I don't know what a MFD is but I have only printed about 300 or 400
pages in the couple of years that I've had this printer so it mostly
sits there, shut off. I maybe print once every few weeks a few photos
of the kid who is still at home and the grandchildren when they find
the time to send me email.
What is it that happens to a printhead when it sits idle?
How does just sitting there kill a printhead?
What does killing mean anyway? Does an electrical contact dry out or
something?
There must be something that happens (is it simply a clog forms?)
Thank you, in advance, for your help,
Susan
Here is a picture of the inside of a print head in a cartridge that
has dried ink and melted the heating chamber(s). I would suspect that
a separate print head would be similar but more sturdy.
SNIP |
A MESS |
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zakezuke
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | The same fuzzy memory also suggests that they were, early on,
called bubble jet printers. Anyone care to straighten this out?
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Canons are still bubble jets... as in lower temp, bubble forms and ink
is ejected. HPs AFAIK are hotter. Epsons have been on piezos for a
good long while now. |
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measekite
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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Leythos wrote:
| Quote: | In article <cJSdf.48$Gt6.3@fed1read03>, fb@nospanm.cmm says...
And the mess you might encounter from you first time refilling? Well
it's nothing to be concerned about. And the pics produced from top
quality after market inks is simply outstanding. Listen to me and all
the others who use after market inks for decades. We know what we're
talking about.
For some Inkjet printers refilling them is not worth the trouble.
AMEN |
| Quote: | I've
always owned Epson inkjet printers because they always had better image
quality than Cannon or HP (IMNSHO).
NOT TODAY |
| Quote: | I print a lot, my kids print a lot,
and I've tried every type of refill kit with them. Most times, now
matter how careful I was (and I'm not unskilled) I got ink on the work
area, over filled the cart, found the ink bleeding out the bottom after
I had filled it, etc...
THAT IS TRUE. WHAT A MESS |
| Quote: | After a week of not using the printer with a
refill cart, the head would have a plugged nozzle or some other problem.
It got bad enough that I kept a set of carts with Windex in them to
clean the head (since the head is in the printer not the cart)....
After more than a decade of "dealing with" inkjet printers I purchase a
Wax Thermal printer and I've never looked back, works every time, no
mess, print is better than ink, color is BRIGHT on all papers, etc...
Sure, the printer cost $950 and wax cubes for 6,000 sheets costs $100,
but, it works every time all the time and it's fast.
Some after market parts are not worth the cost you pay for them.
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fb
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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Leythos wrote:
| Quote: | In article <cJSdf.48$Gt6.3@fed1read03>, fb@nospanm.cmm says...
And the mess you might encounter from you first time refilling? Well
it's nothing to be concerned about. And the pics produced from top
quality after market inks is simply outstanding. Listen to me and all
the others who use after market inks for decades. We know what we're
talking about.
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| Quote: | . Most times, now
matter how careful I was (and I'm not unskilled) I got ink on the work
area, over filled the cart, found the ink bleeding out the bottom after
I had filled it, etc...
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The only time I ever got ink on my fingers was one time installing an
oem cart on one of my newly purchased canons when I accidentely applied
too much pressure on the cart pulling off the tape. Other than that one
incident involving an oem cart, refilling for almost 10 years has been
incident free. I never have clogged heads much to the regret of our
resident oem moron and I've saved enough $'s to purchase a couple of
laptops and other accessories. Refilling is obviously not for everyone,
but I'm not one of those persons.
Frank |
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FB
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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Bill 2 wrote:
| Quote: | "measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
news:XzKdf.26212$6e1.1525@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
I DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS WITH MY HP OR CANON PRINTERS. OF
COURSE I ONLY USE OEM INK. I DO PRINT ONCE EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS WITH EACH
PRINTER.
Do you only print uppercase text? Maybe the OP's problem is they are
printing lowercase text, which requires smaller nozzles, so they clog
easier.
He does not even have a printer just like he has no brain. Kill file his |
ignorant fat old fart ass and be done with him. He is an idiot who
happens to also be a moron.
Frank |
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