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Bob
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:33 am Post subject:
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On 11 Nov 2005 16:17:51 -0500, info_at_cabling-design_dot_com@foo.com
(Dmitri(Cabling-Design.com)) wrote:
| Quote: | this company had a hand in inventing the CDs.
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That's news to me.
| Quote: | Why messing things up
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Every country has one. The US has AOL and Japan has Sony.
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TravelinMan
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:06 am Post subject:
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In article <opv9n1hln082mrom83caqjfl2ak5rru6mm@4ax.com>,
DevilsPGD <spamsucks@crazyhat.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <0m69n1llhrievvce56mj0gpev6l7rcnr08@4ax.com> Alan S
AlanS222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Intentionally or not, the software also
seems to damage a computer's ability to "rip" clean copies of MP3s
from non-copy protected CDs, the security company said.
If it prevents me from manipulating music for which I own the copyright,
that sounds like anti competitive behaviour since it is willfully
interfering with my ability to compete with Sony.
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You might want to start out by getting your facts right.
When you buy a CD, you don't own the copyright. You get a license to use
the music, not ownership. |
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Dom
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:29 am Post subject:
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Has Sony cultivated another believer? I suggest you get your facts straight.
"When you buy a regular CD, you own it. You do not "license" it. You own
it outright. You're allowed to do anything with it you like, so long as
you don't violate one of the exclusive rights reserved to the copyright
owner."
More at: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004145.php |
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The Ghost In The Machine
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:00 am Post subject:
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, DevilsPGD
<spamsucks@crazyhat.net>
wrote
on Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:09:29 -0700
<opv9n1hln082mrom83caqjfl2ak5rru6mm@4ax.com>:
| Quote: | In message <0m69n1llhrievvce56mj0gpev6l7rcnr08@4ax.com> Alan S
AlanS222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Intentionally or not, the software also
seems to damage a computer's ability to "rip" clean copies of MP3s
from non-copy protected CDs, the security company said.
If it prevents me from manipulating music for which
I own the copyright,
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This could get interesting, and not in a nice way. Say you
liked Barry Manilow [*] and played one of his songs on
your acoustic guitar [*] and recorded the results on your
'puter. Which of the following are legal, and how would
the computer tell the diff? :-)
[1] Playback of your recording through one's headphones or
acoustic system.
[2] Playback of your recording in a public commercial
gathering (e.g., Hollywood Bowl, Shoreline Ampitheater,
New York Philharmonic Hall (?)).
[3] Burn of your recording to a CD for your private listening
in an automobile or portable boombox.
[4] Burn of your recording to a CD for duplication.
Messy, especially if one embellishes -- AIUI that's fairly
common in the jazz world. One rather popular recording,
for instance, that for various reasons falls outside this
debate, is a remix -- or something -- of Beethoven's 5th in
a jazzy/syntho style. Since Beethoven's 5th is now public
domain (though individual performances are copyrighted by
the performers) this is legal, AFAIK.
Of course most pirates will simply digitally duplicate,
which is easy enough to detect and may be possible to
prevent -- but one could just as easily feed that pickup
from another boombox. While the quality might suffer
slightly, any codes will vanish; any analyzer will have
to do something really wacked out like a full-fledged
frequency/signature analysis of the result.
| Quote: | that sounds like anti competitive behaviour since it is willfully
interfering with my ability to compete with Sony.
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Or ensuring that Sony protects itself from those eeeeeeeeeevil
nasty users^H^H^H^H^Hpirates.
Does make one wonder.
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If true, this potentially raises things to a whole new level.
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Aye.
[*] Substitute as necessary. :-)
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The Ghost In The Machine
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:00 am Post subject:
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bob
<spam@uce.gov>
wrote
on Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:33:37 GMT
<43750e09.13747343@news-server.houston.rr.com>:
I'd have to look.
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Why messing things up
Every country has one. The US has AOL and Japan has Sony.
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I was not aware that AOL handed out CD burners. CD's, yes...
but not burners.
:-)
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kony
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:55 am Post subject:
Re: Please don't hate SONY for their one mistake with DRM pr |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:09:29 -0700, DevilsPGD
<spamsucks@crazyhat.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <0m69n1llhrievvce56mj0gpev6l7rcnr08@4ax.com> Alan S
AlanS222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Intentionally or not, the software also
seems to damage a computer's ability to "rip" clean copies of MP3s
from non-copy protected CDs, the security company said.
If it prevents me from manipulating music for which I own the copyright,
that sounds like anti competitive behaviour since it is willfully
interfering with my ability to compete with Sony.
If true, this potentially raises things to a whole new level.
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It also points out a terrific flaw in the US legal system,
that there has not been an injunction against all sales of
the products carrying this malware.
Even more infuriating is that Sony's "fix" doesn't remove
the Sony malware, it just patches it with newer malware.
The only reasonable solution is to never put any CD with
Sony/BMG into a drive connected to a system bus. In other
words, that seldom-used SPDIF connector on optical drives
might be handy for one rip before destroying the CD itself
so it can do no harm, then buring a clean CD for normal,
fair uses. |
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DevilsPGD
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:18 am Post subject:
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In message <43750e09.13747343@news-server.houston.rr.com> spam@uce.gov
(Bob) wrote:
No offense, but what you don't know could fill a warehouse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD
In 1979 Philips and Sony decided to join forces, setting up a joint
taskforce of engineers whose mission was to design the new digital audio
disc. Prominent members of the taskforce were Kees Immink and Toshitada
Doi. After a year of experimentation and discussion, the taskforce
produced the "Red Book", the Compact Disc standard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_%28audio_CD_standard%29
"The first edition of the Red Book was released in June 1980 by Philips
and Sony; it was adopted by the Digital Audio Disc Committee and
ratified as IEC 908."
While wikipedia is, admittedly, not always an authoritative reference,
it happens to be supported by a large number of references online:
http://www.padus.com/support/manuals/450/html/08_Advanced_Concepts/03_Compact_Disc_Formats.htm
In 1979, Philips and Sony defined an architecture that became known as
the Compact Disc Digital Audio or Audio CD format. It is the original
and oldest Compact Disc standard and the foundation for all other
standards.
http://compact-disc.iqnaut.net/
At the end of the 70s, Philips, Sony, and other companies presented
prototypes of digital audio discs. In 1979, Philips and Sony decided to
join forces, and they set up a joint taskforce of engineers, whose
mission it was to design the new digital audio disc
http://www.research.philips.com/newscenter/dossier/optrec/beethoven.html
In this way the specifications of the CD were determined by means of
intensive contact between Philips and Sony. In June 1980 these were
recorded in the Red Book, so called after the favorite color of the
Philips project leader Joop Sinjou.
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~erick205/Papers/paper.html
One year later, Philips joins with its recording subsidiary Polygram
Records to develop a worldwide digital audio standard. In March 1979,
Philips demonstrates a prototype compact disc player in Europe. Sony
joins the Philips/Polygram coalition after Matsushita declines. In June
of 1980, the coalition formally proposes their CD standard. A year later
in 1981, Sharp successfully mass produces the semiconductor laser.
http://www.google.ca/search?q=1979+Philips+Sony+redbook <-- For more
information.
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DevilsPGD
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:18 am Post subject:
Re: Please don't hate SONY for their one mistake with DRM pr |
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In message <Nowhere-4992F8.16052511112005@news1.west.earthlink.net>
TravelinMan <Nowhere@spamfree.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <opv9n1hln082mrom83caqjfl2ak5rru6mm@4ax.com>,
DevilsPGD <spamsucks@crazyhat.net> wrote:
In message <0m69n1llhrievvce56mj0gpev6l7rcnr08@4ax.com> Alan S
AlanS222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Intentionally or not, the software also
seems to damage a computer's ability to "rip" clean copies of MP3s
from non-copy protected CDs, the security company said.
If it prevents me from manipulating music for which I own the copyright,
that sounds like anti competitive behaviour since it is willfully
interfering with my ability to compete with Sony.
You might want to start out by getting your facts right.
When you buy a CD, you don't own the copyright. You get a license to use
the music, not ownership.
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You misunderstand. I mean for music for which *I* own the copyright,
not just CDs which I have purchased.
If I pull out a microphone and start singing original lyrics and banging
my head against a piano while I do it, burn it to CD, I own the physical
CD, and I own the copyright for the recorded material,
If Sony's software interferes with my ability to manipulate content for
which I really am the legal copyright holder, then it's likely violating
a number of laws.
If Sony's software not only installs without explicit authorization,
doesn't uninstall gracefully, and worse, requires something of value
(personal information is highly valued amongst marketing droids) to
uninstall then it's extortion.
It's no different then if I were to walk up to a store owner and offer
to sell him insurance against me burning his store down tonight.
I'm not in the US, but it wouldn't surprise me if you could build a RICO
charge out of this, along with whatever criminal penalties might apply.
It's criminal (extortion and fraud both come to mind), it's long term
(20 separate CDs, over a period of over a year), and there is no statute
of limitations since it hides effectively enough that Sony claim I
should reasonably have known about it before it was publicized several
days ago.
Now I personally have no damages, but since I know the owner of a record
label, plus the owner of a privately funded studio which does in fact
produce a saleable product, either of them would be candidates if this
crap was found on their systems and it delayed production in any way,
shape or form.
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Text Medium #5
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:56 am Post subject:
Re: Please don't hate SONY for their one mistake with DRM pr |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:06:40 -0800, jameshanley39 gibbered out like a
howler monkey:
| Quote: | Onideus Mad Cooter wrote:
Sony just loves everyone $sys$anally. They are the greatest company ever
when it comes to technology $sys$that $sys$sucks. Everyone is gonna love
$sys$to $sys$hate Sony, and they will $sys$not buy any Sony product that
they see. It's because Sony loves $sys$to $sys$fuck $sys$with their
customers.
english?
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Remove every "$sys$" to read more clearly.
| Quote: | I also had bad experiences with Sony. Stick to their TVs.
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Safer bet: Sony's movies. Their TVs die young...
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Travelinman
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: Please don't hate SONY for their one mistake with DRM pr |
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In article <49man1di3gmklfuhvgdue8cet1u6s93vfv@4ax.com>,
kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:36:27 -0600, Travelinman
nowhere@nospam.net> wrote:
If Sony's software interferes with my ability to manipulate content for
which I really am the legal copyright holder, then it's likely violating
a number of laws.
How would Sony's software interfere with that?
Sony's malware takes away 100% of your ability to use the
non-Sony CD at all by their filter driver. THEN, they
re-grant to you whatever rights they want you to have for
content that is not theirs to dictate rights over. For
example, you make an audio CD of your children singing a
song, plop it into the system and fire up your audio editor
to edit it... guess what?
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If that's what they're doing, they deserve to lose the lawsuits. |
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kony
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: Please don't hate SONY for their one mistake with DRM pr |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:36:27 -0600, Travelinman
<nowhere@nospam.net> wrote:
| Quote: | If Sony's software interferes with my ability to manipulate content for
which I really am the legal copyright holder, then it's likely violating
a number of laws.
How would Sony's software interfere with that?
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Sony's malware takes away 100% of your ability to use the
non-Sony CD at all by their filter driver. THEN, they
re-grant to you whatever rights they want you to have for
content that is not theirs to dictate rights over. For
example, you make an audio CD of your children singing a
song, plop it into the system and fire up your audio editor
to edit it... guess what? |
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Travelinman
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: Please don't hate SONY for their one mistake with DRM pr |
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In article <qpban1lop1i8h63c0khaj42n40vf3ndqp7@4ax.com>,
DevilsPGD <spamsucks@crazyhat.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <Nowhere-4992F8.16052511112005@news1.west.earthlink.net
TravelinMan <Nowhere@spamfree.com> wrote:
In article <opv9n1hln082mrom83caqjfl2ak5rru6mm@4ax.com>,
DevilsPGD <spamsucks@crazyhat.net> wrote:
In message <0m69n1llhrievvce56mj0gpev6l7rcnr08@4ax.com> Alan S
AlanS222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Intentionally or not, the software also
seems to damage a computer's ability to "rip" clean copies of MP3s
from non-copy protected CDs, the security company said.
If it prevents me from manipulating music for which I own the copyright,
that sounds like anti competitive behaviour since it is willfully
interfering with my ability to compete with Sony.
You might want to start out by getting your facts right.
When you buy a CD, you don't own the copyright. You get a license to use
the music, not ownership.
You misunderstand. I mean for music for which *I* own the copyright,
not just CDs which I have purchased.
If I pull out a microphone and start singing original lyrics and banging
my head against a piano while I do it, burn it to CD, I own the physical
CD, and I own the copyright for the recorded material,
If Sony's software interferes with my ability to manipulate content for
which I really am the legal copyright holder, then it's likely violating
a number of laws.
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How would Sony's software interfere with that? |
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saraespo2
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Esperienza molto negativa con Elektrovaltenesi |
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SCUSATE MA CI DEVE ESSERE UN PROBLEMA FORSE NON AVETE LETTO IL MI
MESSAGGIO A PAGINA 8, UNO DEI MIEI ORDINI RIPORTA IL PROGRESSIVO
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| Quote: | pantheonwrote
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Quante persone pensi che si debbano ancora iscrivere? Come speri d
poter salvare la faccia??????? Dove sono i nostri soldi
Spero che qualcuno possa rispondere a questi interrogativi vist
ch
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ponendo..........
Il primo numero che risulta come ordine "dimenticato" è il 2105
l'ultimo il 2450. Coraggio, mancano ancora tanti numeri
Iscrivetev
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Machine Messiah
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject:
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I found a Shuttle AB60R mobo at a local store for $28 bucks. It should
work with a P4 Northwood 400 fsb cpu. I tried a 2.4 400 fsb celeron with
1 stick of pc3200 ram. Board refused to post. Swapped the Celeron into
current pc ,(Abit IS10) and it worked fine. Swapped the P4 2.2 400 fsb
from Abit board into Shuttle board, still no post. Tried the ram in all
4 slots, still no post. Tried 2 different power supplies, no joy.
Cleared the cmos, removed the battery, same result. Fans fire up, lights
on the board come on. When I remove the cpus they are still cool. It's
obvious they haven't powered up.
If the board had been damaged by static would the lights and fans still
come on?
If the ram was the wrong type wouldn't I still get some sort of sound
from the mobo? I seem to recall 1 mobo squawking mightly when I
installed the ram incorrectly.
I think I just bought a board with a dead cpu socket.
Any way to tell for sure?
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Machine Messiah
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject:
How to tell if MOBO got zapped w/static? |
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I found a Shuttle AB60R mobo at a local store for $28 bucks. It should
work with a P4 Northwood 400 fsb cpu. I tried a 2.4 400 fsb celeron with
1 stick of pc3200 ram. Board refused to post. Swapped the Celeron into
current pc ,(Abit IS10) and it worked fine. Swapped the P4 2.2 400 fsb
from Abit board into Shuttle board, still no post. Tried the ram in all
4 slots, still no post. Tried 2 different power supplies, no joy.
Cleared the cmos, removed the battery, same result. Fans fire up, lights
on the board come on. When I remove the cpus they are still cool. It's
obvious they haven't powered up.
If the board had been damaged by static would the lights and fans still
come on?
If the ram was the wrong type wouldn't I still get some sort of sound
from the mobo? I seem to recall 1 mobo squawking mightly when I
installed the ram incorrectly.
I think I just bought a board with a dead cpu socket.
Any way to tell for sure?
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