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zakezuke
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Well... i'm not sure what my cost per print actually is using MIS ink
but it's pretty dang low, on par with costco low when taking cost of
low cost paper into account. I'm not sure if they are using dye subs
or some sort of silver halide solution as i've never used their
service. But as I said and yes our resident troll didn't get it...
such places don't do odd sizes like 5x5.
At about five cents per 4x6 sheet of Costco glossy photo paper and a
few pennies for MIS ink these prints are easily under ten cents US
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Assuming 450 print [there and abouts] per 2oz of ink @ 5 each (photo so
only $20) And a refillable tank set at another $20 we're talking 8.8c
each, but given one only has to buy a refillable set once for at least
a few refills or re-use their canon ones, let's call it a plum nickle
for the ink. This is a vague estimate of ink at 50% yield, 280p 5%
yield on OEM and 2oz is 4x OEM there and abouts.
So a nickle for the paper and a nickle for the ink = 10c which could be
higher or lower depending on reality, such as how often one actually
has to replace the tanks, if one buys OEM canon tanks and refills them,
or gets a lower cost. Also the paper may or may not be kirkland. So
while i'll agree odds are the MIS stuff we use is likely to be lower in
cost... i'd still class it on par with costco printing or other sub 20c
solutions. Why? Cause you shelled out at least $100 for that
printer.. and even at 5000 4x6s that's at least a couple of cents, a
number I loosly base on canon's product life estimate.
Average photo printing... odds are the mis solution is less by about
30% to 50% based on my ballpark estimates.
Photos of gothic churches at night..."might" be more. |
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Jeff
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:35 pm Post subject:
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Dewi wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:24:23 GMT, measekite <inkystinky@oem.com
dropped their trousers and said:
ECONOMICALLY IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO PRINT AT HOME USING OEM INK THEN
YOU SHOULD GO TO WALLGREENS OR COSTCO ETC..
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU CANNOT AFFORD IT
You need a new keyboard, the caps lock key is stuck....
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Don't tell him that!!! That's how I can rapidly know it's him and ignore
what he writes. He's a troll.
Jeff |
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measekite
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject:
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Burt wrote:
| Quote: | "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131343978.636091.119610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It's not his keyboard that's stuck...it's his brain that is
stuck-on-stupid.
Well... i'm not sure what my cost per print actually is using MIS ink
but it's pretty dang low, on par with costco low when taking cost of
low cost paper into account. I'm not sure if they are using dye subs
or some sort of silver halide solution as i've never used their
service. But as I said and yes our resident troll didn't get it...
such places don't do odd sizes like 5x5.
At about five cents per 4x6 sheet of Costco glossy photo paper and a few
pennies for MIS ink
OEM INK IS THE BEST AND YOUR CHANCE OF A PRINT CLOG ARE LESS |
| Quote: | these prints are easily under ten cents US. BTW, the
new packaging of Costco glossy paper in 4x6 format is labeled (branded?)
exactly the same as the 8.5x11 paper --- EXCEPT that it is actually a
different product! 4x6 paper has a more ivory color and skin tones are
therefore slightly more warm. 4x6 is made in the US and 8.5x11 is made in
Switzerland. I actually like the 8.5x11 paper better as is is a more pure
white and therefore more neutral as a "palate" for color photos.
So much for Measekite's reverence for the Kirkland brand/label.
KIRKLAND IS A COSTCO STORE LABEL. COSTCO DOES NOT MAKE PAPER. MOST |
LIKELY IT IS MADE BY ILFORD. BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE SOME CAN CONSIDER IT A
LARGE CORPORATE BRAND. IN SOME CASES COSTCO PACKAGES THE EXACT SAME
PRODUCTS UNDER THE KIRKLAND LABEL. IN A FEW CASES THE ACTUAL FACTORY
BRAND NAME AND THE KIRKLAND NAME HAVE EXISTING ON THE PACKAGE AND IN
OTHER CASES A PRDOUCT SPECIFIED BY COSTCO BUT MFG BY A KNOWN COMPANY IN
SOLD UNDER THE KIRKLAND NAME AND IS NOT THE SAME AS THE FACTORY BRANDED
PRODUCT.
| Quote: | Does he
really think that there is a Kirkland factory pumping out cashmere sweaters,
sox and underwear, glossy photo paper, jelly-belly jelly beans, alkaline
batteries, etc????
NEVER SAID THAT |
HAPPY TYPING
| Quote: | Is Kirkland a brand? Label? It is only sold in one
chain of stores and is not manufactured by the vendor (Costco). The
manufacturer is not identified. Is Measekite now going to avoid these
stores because of their unbranded merchandise? I'll never know because I
have him killfiled
THAT IS GREAT. HOPE YOU NEVER ANSWER |
| Quote: | and don't have to read his drivel.
YOU DO JUST LIKE THE OTHERS WHO CLAIM THEY DON'T/ |
IN THE INDY 500 YOU DO NOT GET THE POLE POSITION.
| Quote: | Much less do I care
where he shops as he is clueless about most everything (including civility,
honesty, and common decency).
STOP TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF |
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measekite
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | It's not his keyboard that's stuck...it's his brain that is
stuck-on-stupid.
Well... i'm not sure what my cost per print actually is using MIS ink
but it's pretty dang low,
CAN YOU AFFORD TO USE OEM |
| Quote: | on par with costco low when taking cost of
low cost paper into account. I'm not sure if they are using dye subs
or some sort of silver halide solution as i've never used their
service. But as I said and yes our resident troll didn't get it...
such places don't do odd sizes like 5x5.
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measekite
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject:
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Frank wrote:
| Quote: | Dewi wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:24:23 GMT, measekite <inkystinky@oem.com
dropped their trousers and said:
ECONOMICALLY IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO PRINT AT HOME USING OEM INK
THEN YOU SHOULD GO TO WALLGREENS OR COSTCO ETC..
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU CANNOT AFFORD IT
You need a new keyboard, the caps lock key is stuck....
--
Dewi,
(no email)
It's not his keyboard that's stuck...it's his brain that is
stuck-on-stupid. Unfortunately new brains are not available.
Frank
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his brain that is stuck-on-stupid. Unfortunately new brains are not
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measekite
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject:
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Taliesyn wrote:
| Quote: | Gary Tait wrote:
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:Ejpbf.2352$te3.37728
@typhoon.sonic.net:
I read somewhere that one of the most expensive fluids in the world
is inkjet printer ink.
Considering the small quantities (and ergo small containers), and the
fact some cartridges have printheads built in, kinda true. When you
buy bulk ink, there are usually savings associated with that.
More than just savings, like hitting the lottery.
If I refill my own cartridges the cost is approximately $5 CAD (for
the 5 of them).
If I buy the individual Canon OEM cartridges at a Wal-Mart or Staples,
we're talking around $125 CAD.
The difference in cost is ridiculous;
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THAT IS CORRECT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMPANY MFG/FORMULATING AND
SELLINING HIGH QUALITY PREFILLED CARTS THAT ARE APPROPRIATELY LABELED
AND PACKAGED WHERE YOU COULD TRACK THEM AND ARE SOLD IN ALL VENUES.
| Quote: | the difference in printouts is
ridiculously minuscule.
I don't mind keeping about $120 CAD every time I refill, would you? :-).
Sure I'd like to buy Canon OEM cartridges, but not on their terms.
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THAT IS A SENSIBLE STATEMENT
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they don't sell them at $5 CAD a piece,
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I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD AND FAIR PRICE
| Quote: | I feel I'm being ripped off.
And I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way.
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ME TOO
| Quote: | Especially the 20%, or
so, of the aftermarket ink users.
-Taliesyn |
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zakezuke
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:02 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Costco does not make paper. Most likely it is made by ilford
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It's just as likely it's made by Pelikan |
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Burt
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:07 am Post subject:
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I've now printed several photos on the new 4x6 Kirkland paper. Because of
the slight ivory colored tint, flesh tones are more toward the yellow or
orange, and whites and highlights aren't as "crisp" looking as with the
8.5x11 paper. I may use it to crank out quick photos for friends, but for
my own prints I prefer the original paper. The glossy surface and weight
are very nice, there is no bronzing in the dark areas, and the prints come
out of the printer dry to the touch. Too bad Costco didn't just get the
original mfgr of their paper to provide it cut to 4x6 format.
Although the 8.5x11 paper may be Ilford, the 4x6 is identified as made in
the USA. I don't know what firms in the USA make glossy photo paper.
In addition to the odd sizes and formats that one can do at home, home
printing of 8x10 or 8.5x11 (or even larger formats) is a greater cost
savings over quick processing places. Creative control and the ability to
immediately process prints is a great bonus as well. Convenience, contol,
and the ability to customize certainly offset the cost of the printer in my
estimation. The strict cost comparison and use of the inexpensive
processing places holds sway if the primary interest is 4x6 prints without
much effort. It is also possible that some of the processing places deliver
more archival prints - another consideration.
"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131369245.158546.25830@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Well... i'm not sure what my cost per print actually is using MIS ink
but it's pretty dang low, on par with costco low when taking cost of
low cost paper into account. I'm not sure if they are using dye subs
or some sort of silver halide solution as i've never used their
service. But as I said and yes our resident troll didn't get it...
such places don't do odd sizes like 5x5.
At about five cents per 4x6 sheet of Costco glossy photo paper and a
few pennies for MIS ink these prints are easily under ten cents US
Assuming 450 print [there and abouts] per 2oz of ink @ 5 each (photo so
only $20) And a refillable tank set at another $20 we're talking 8.8c
each, but given one only has to buy a refillable set once for at least
a few refills or re-use their canon ones, let's call it a plum nickle
for the ink. This is a vague estimate of ink at 50% yield, 280p 5%
yield on OEM and 2oz is 4x OEM there and abouts.
So a nickle for the paper and a nickle for the ink = 10c which could be
higher or lower depending on reality, such as how often one actually
has to replace the tanks, if one buys OEM canon tanks and refills them,
or gets a lower cost. Also the paper may or may not be kirkland. So
while i'll agree odds are the MIS stuff we use is likely to be lower in
cost... i'd still class it on par with costco printing or other sub 20c
solutions. Why? Cause you shelled out at least $100 for that
printer.. and even at 5000 4x6s that's at least a couple of cents, a
number I loosly base on canon's product life estimate.
Average photo printing... odds are the mis solution is less by about
30% to 50% based on my ballpark estimates.
Photos of gothic churches at night..."might" be more.
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measekite
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:34 am Post subject:
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Burt wrote:
| Quote: | I've now printed several photos on the new 4x6 Kirkland paper. Because of
the slight ivory colored tint, flesh tones are more toward the yellow or
orange, and whites and highlights aren't as "crisp"
THEY MIGHT BE IF YOU USED CANON OEM INK INSTEAD OF THE INK THAT YOU USE |
WHERE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO MAKES IT.
| Quote: | looking as with the
8.5x11 paper. I may use it to crank out quick photos for friends, but for
my own prints I prefer the original paper.
SO THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS |
| Quote: | The glossy surface and weight
are very nice, there is no bronzing in the dark areas, and the prints come
out of the printer dry to the touch. Too bad Costco didn't just get the
original mfgr of their paper to provide it cut to 4x6 format.
Although the 8.5x11 paper may be Ilford, the 4x6 is identified as made in
the USA. I don't know what firms in the USA make glossy photo paper.
HAMMERMILL |
| Quote: | In addition to the odd sizes and formats that one can do at home, home
printing of 8x10 or 8.5x11 (or even larger formats) is a greater cost
savings over quick processing places. Creative control and the ability to
immediately process prints is a great bonus as well. Convenience, contol,
and the ability to customize certainly offset the cost of the printer in my
estimation. The strict cost comparison and use of the inexpensive
processing places holds sway if the primary interest is 4x6 prints without
much effort. It is also possible that some of the processing places deliver
more archival prints - another consideration.
"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131369245.158546.25830@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Well... i'm not sure what my cost per print actually is using MIS ink
but it's pretty dang low, on par with costco low when taking cost of
low cost paper into account. I'm not sure if they are using dye subs
or some sort of silver halide solution as i've never used their
service. But as I said and yes our resident troll didn't get it...
such places don't do odd sizes like 5x5.
At about five cents per 4x6 sheet of Costco glossy photo paper and a
few pennies for MIS ink these prints are easily under ten cents US
Assuming 450 print [there and abouts] per 2oz of ink @ 5 each (photo so
only $20) And a refillable tank set at another $20 we're talking 8.8c
each, but given one only has to buy a refillable set once for at least
a few refills or re-use their canon ones, let's call it a plum nickle
for the ink. This is a vague estimate of ink at 50% yield, 280p 5%
yield on OEM and 2oz is 4x OEM there and abouts.
So a nickle for the paper and a nickle for the ink = 10c which could be
higher or lower depending on reality, such as how often one actually
has to replace the tanks, if one buys OEM canon tanks and refills them,
or gets a lower cost. Also the paper may or may not be kirkland. So
while i'll agree odds are the MIS stuff we use is likely to be lower in
cost... i'd still class it on par with costco printing or other sub 20c
solutions. Why? Cause you shelled out at least $100 for that
printer.. and even at 5000 4x6s that's at least a couple of cents, a
number I loosly base on canon's product life estimate.
Average photo printing... odds are the mis solution is less by about
30% to 50% based on my ballpark estimates.
Photos of gothic churches at night..."might" be more.
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measekite
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | Costco does not make paper. Most likely it is made by ilford
It's just as likely it's made by Pelikan
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HI MY NAME IS PELIKAN I AM A BIRD COME FLY WITH ME |
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zakezuke
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:23 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | kirkland is a costco store label. costco does not make paper. most likely is it made by
ilford. because of its size some can consider it a large corporate brand
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This is true.. .Costco does double as a wholesale warehouse. It
doesn't meet your requirements of a brand because according to you you
need multi means of distrobution. Where NCR's third party ink would be
considered a brand.
http://www.ncr.com/en/products/supplies/retail_office_products.htm
http://search.finance.yahoo.com/search?s=NCR
Which to answer burt's question NCR out of Dayton OH makes glossy photo
paper... I'm just not all that sure that they make an ivory 4x6. |
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measekite
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:27 am Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | kirkland is a costco store label. costco does not make paper. most likely is it made by
ilford. because of its size some can consider it a large corporate brand
This is true.. .Costco does double as a wholesale warehouse. It
doesn't meet your requirements of a brand because according to you you
need multi means of distrobution. Where NCR's third party ink would be
considered a brand.
http://www.ncr.com/en/products/supplies/retail_office_products.htm
http://search.finance.yahoo.com/search?s=NCR
Which to answer burt's question NCR out of Dayton OH makes glossy photo
paper... I'm just not all that sure that they make an ivory 4x6.
IVORY MAKES SNOW AS IN IVORY SNOW |
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XP
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:16 am Post subject:
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:10:37 -0800, El Castor <justuschickens@not-here.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | I just retired my second inkjet in a row due to a clogged head. (Ok, I
admit I refill.) I bought my last inkjet, a Canon i860, to among other
things, print digital photos. It worked ok for that, but I think most
of us would secretly admit that it can sometimes be a hassle. I
replaced the Canon with a cheap laser that does superior B&W that
doesn't smear when I grab it too quickly or get it wet. I can take an
SD chip or CD into Walgreens or Costco and print 4X6's for the wife in
a flash compared to a home inkjet, and I think those prints cost less
-- 17 to 29 cents each, and I don't have to pay for the paper and ink.
So with under $100 lasers and 17 cent 4X6's, do inkjets continue to
make sense for most people in the home market?
Jeff
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But your $100 does not print Colour..?
The did a TV survey some weeks, and the Home Inkjet printer was the best in
price and Picture quality.
Those Mall type printer was rated as the worse. |
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Taliesyn
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:51 am Post subject:
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XP wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:10:37 -0800, El Castor <justuschickens@not-here.com
wrote:
I just retired my second inkjet in a row due to a clogged head. (Ok, I
admit I refill.) I bought my last inkjet, a Canon i860, to among other
things, print digital photos. It worked ok for that, but I think most
of us would secretly admit that it can sometimes be a hassle. I
replaced the Canon with a cheap laser that does superior B&W that
doesn't smear when I grab it too quickly or get it wet. I can take an
SD chip or CD into Walgreens or Costco and print 4X6's for the wife in
a flash compared to a home inkjet, and I think those prints cost less
-- 17 to 29 cents each, and I don't have to pay for the paper and ink.
So with under $100 lasers and 17 cent 4X6's, do inkjets continue to
make sense for most people in the home market?
Jeff
But your $100 does not print Colour..?
The did a TV survey some weeks, and the Home Inkjet printer was the best in
price and Picture quality.
Those Mall type printer was rated as the worse.
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I believe it. I also use Qimage photo software for unbelievably
sharp, realistic images I've never been able to produce before.
This is THE program professionals and amateurs alike use. I was
skeptical at first, but the free trial download version was the
clincher. Worth it an any cost. The $45, or so, that it costs is
peanuts because my $600 Lumix camera and Canon iP5000 printer were
vision impaired without it. It was like putting glasses on and seeing
everything in focus for the first time. The mall type printers do not
use this kind of advanced software. And I don't think I've exaggerated
too much. . .
-Taliesyn |
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El Castor
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject:
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XP <xp@nospam.comn> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:10:37 -0800, El Castor <justuschickens@not-here.com
wrote:
I just retired my second inkjet in a row due to a clogged head. (Ok, I
admit I refill.) I bought my last inkjet, a Canon i860, to among other
things, print digital photos. It worked ok for that, but I think most
of us would secretly admit that it can sometimes be a hassle. I
replaced the Canon with a cheap laser that does superior B&W that
doesn't smear when I grab it too quickly or get it wet. I can take an
SD chip or CD into Walgreens or Costco and print 4X6's for the wife in
a flash compared to a home inkjet, and I think those prints cost less
-- 17 to 29 cents each, and I don't have to pay for the paper and ink.
So with under $100 lasers and 17 cent 4X6's, do inkjets continue to
make sense for most people in the home market?
Jeff
But your $100 does not print Colour..?
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No, but my 17 cents does.
| Quote: | The did a TV survey some weeks, and the Home Inkjet printer was the best in
price and Picture quality.
Those Mall type printer was rated as the worse. |
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