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Pascal Lemberge
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:21 am Post subject:
Warranty proposal: replace PCIe 6600GT with a PCIe 6800. YES |
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Hello,
I had a PCIe Leadtek 6600GT which broke down while still under warranty - so
I returned the card to the shop where I originally bought it and they sent
it back through the retailer to leadtek... anyway... almost three months
later the shop contacts me telling me that I will get a Leadtek 6800 (non
ultra, non GT) graphics card in return and apparently not a 6600GT... Why I
don't get a new or repaired 6600GT still remains a question - perhaps they
are not available anymore.
My question is: should I accept a 6800 card. I specifically informed to
check whether it was a GT (or even an ultra) and the answer is NO, it's a
plain 6800...
If I look at benchmarks at tomshardware
(http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/index.html) the 6600GT is
always outperforming the 6800. Now I heard that in some cases such a 6800
can be turned into a 6800GT by unlocking the pipes but there's of course no
guarantee... and in the end I want a card which gives the same performance
(or better) as the 6600GT under standard conditions, not through
overclocking - after all, this is a warranty issue, not me, looking for a
new card to buy!
So, do I accept the PCIe Leadtek 6800 or do I demand a a PCTe Leadtek
6600GT?
Any advice?
Thanks,
Pascal |
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K-Gun
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:32 am Post subject:
Re: Warranty proposal: replace PCIe 6600GT with a PCIe 6800. |
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Last I read, Leadtek declared bankruptcy, it may be thats all they have
left.
"Pascal Lemberge" <pascal.lemberge@ua.ac.be> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hello,
I had a PCIe Leadtek 6600GT which broke down while still under warranty -
so I returned the card to the shop where I originally bought it and they
sent it back through the retailer to leadtek... anyway... almost three
months later the shop contacts me telling me that I will get a Leadtek
6800 (non ultra, non GT) graphics card in return and apparently not a
6600GT... Why I don't get a new or repaired 6600GT still remains a
question - perhaps they are not available anymore.
My question is: should I accept a 6800 card. I specifically informed to
check whether it was a GT (or even an ultra) and the answer is NO, it's a
plain 6800...
If I look at benchmarks at tomshardware
(http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/index.html) the 6600GT
is always outperforming the 6800. Now I heard that in some cases such a
6800 can be turned into a 6800GT by unlocking the pipes but there's of
course no guarantee... and in the end I want a card which gives the same
performance (or better) as the 6600GT under standard conditions, not
through overclocking - after all, this is a warranty issue, not me,
looking for a new card to buy!
So, do I accept the PCIe Leadtek 6800 or do I demand a a PCTe Leadtek
6600GT?
Any advice?
Thanks,
Pascal
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First of One
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:51 am Post subject:
Re: Warranty proposal: replace PCIe 6600GT with a PCIe 6800. |
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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2540&p=1
This is a fairly recent comparison, done using up to date drivers. The
6600GT and 6800 appear evenly matched. (6800 is faster in Doom3, slower in
BF2, etc.) For all intents and purposes the cards are functionally
equivalent, except the 6800 has a decent chance of being modded.
BTW, LeadTek is doing well financially. K-Gun is full of shit.
--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
"Pascal Lemberge" <pascal.lemberge@ua.ac.be> wrote in message
news:436bdee3$0$16337$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
| Quote: | Hello,
I had a PCIe Leadtek 6600GT which broke down while still under warranty -
so I returned the card to the shop where I originally bought it and they
sent it back through the retailer to leadtek... anyway... almost three
months later the shop contacts me telling me that I will get a Leadtek
6800 (non ultra, non GT) graphics card in return and apparently not a
6600GT... Why I don't get a new or repaired 6600GT still remains a
question - perhaps they are not available anymore.
My question is: should I accept a 6800 card. I specifically informed to
check whether it was a GT (or even an ultra) and the answer is NO, it's a
plain 6800...
If I look at benchmarks at tomshardware
(http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/index.html) the 6600GT
is always outperforming the 6800. Now I heard that in some cases such a
6800 can be turned into a 6800GT by unlocking the pipes but there's of
course no guarantee... and in the end I want a card which gives the same
performance (or better) as the 6600GT under standard conditions, not
through overclocking - after all, this is a warranty issue, not me,
looking for a new card to buy!
So, do I accept the PCIe Leadtek 6800 or do I demand a a PCTe Leadtek
6600GT?
Any advice?
Thanks,
Pascal
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Mark Walker
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:57 am Post subject:
Re: Warranty proposal: replace PCIe 6600GT with a PCIe 6800. |
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Pascal,
I would definitely take the 6800 as it has the potential to be a
significantly better performer than your dead 6600GT. Please see the
following article:
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_unlocking/
Also, this was just posted by Inglo in response to a question concerning the
6800:
Alien wrote:
| Quote: | I see a lot of people talking about unlocking "pipes" and what not on
a Geforce 6800, what does this mean? Is it like overclocking or what?
The firing squad article is pretty good. I don't see them mention that |
there's no guarantee unlocking the pipes will work.
Main thing though, if it does work you end up with the best bang for
your buck of any card out there. I got my XFX 6800 for $180 last
spring, the pipelines unlocked fine and I've been very happy. The 6600
GTs are nice cards but an unlocked 6800 or even a locked one are
better. You can find the XFX 6800 at newegg.com for $185.
--
Steve -|Inglo/LymanAlpha|-
Best of luck with the replacement!
Mark
"Pascal Lemberge" <pascal.lemberge@ua.ac.be> wrote in message
news:436bdee3$0$16337$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
| Quote: | Hello,
I had a PCIe Leadtek 6600GT which broke down while still under warranty -
so I returned the card to the shop where I originally bought it and they
sent it back through the retailer to leadtek... anyway... almost three
months later the shop contacts me telling me that I will get a Leadtek
6800 (non ultra, non GT) graphics card in return and apparently not a
6600GT... Why I don't get a new or repaired 6600GT still remains a
question - perhaps they are not available anymore.
My question is: should I accept a 6800 card. I specifically informed to
check whether it was a GT (or even an ultra) and the answer is NO, it's a
plain 6800...
If I look at benchmarks at tomshardware
(http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/index.html) the 6600GT
is always outperforming the 6800. Now I heard that in some cases such a
6800 can be turned into a 6800GT by unlocking the pipes but there's of
course no guarantee... and in the end I want a card which gives the same
performance (or better) as the 6600GT under standard conditions, not
through overclocking - after all, this is a warranty issue, not me,
looking for a new card to buy!
So, do I accept the PCIe Leadtek 6800 or do I demand a a PCTe Leadtek
6600GT?
Any advice?
Thanks,
Pascal
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Pascal Lemberge
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:03 am Post subject:
Re: Warranty proposal: replace PCIe 6600GT with a PCIe 6800. |
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Thanks for the quick input!
Taken into account the links to the different websites I still have two
doubts... My graphics card, the 6600GT is a PCI Express not AGP... and
hence, the 6800 which is proposed to me is also a PCI Express version.
First observation is that in case of PCI Express a 6800 is slower than a
6600GT (See also the tom hardware links; separate AGP boards and PCI Express
boards listing -
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050705/index.html &
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/index.html). The AnandTech
article referred to by "First of One" doesn't mention whether it's the AGP
or the PCI Express version... although I trust it's about the PCI Express
version, isn't it?
Second observation is that the unblocking of the pipes is only possible for
the AGP version, not for the PCI Express version of the 6800... It's
specifically mentioned by the link referred to by Mark Walker... Apparently
it's a different manufacturing process and approach for the AGP version
compared to the PCI Express version.
Taken into account these two observations... is the PCI Express 6800 still
the more interesting option?
Thanks,
Pascal
"Pascal Lemberge" <pascal.lemberge@ua.ac.be> wrote in message
news:436bdee3$0$16337$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
| Quote: | Hello,
I had a PCIe Leadtek 6600GT which broke down while still under warranty -
so I returned the card to the shop where I originally bought it and they
sent it back through the retailer to leadtek... anyway... almost three
months later the shop contacts me telling me that I will get a Leadtek
6800 (non ultra, non GT) graphics card in return and apparently not a
6600GT... Why I don't get a new or repaired 6600GT still remains a
question - perhaps they are not available anymore.
My question is: should I accept a 6800 card. I specifically informed to
check whether it was a GT (or even an ultra) and the answer is NO, it's a
plain 6800...
If I look at benchmarks at tomshardware
(http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/index.html) the 6600GT
is always outperforming the 6800. Now I heard that in some cases such a
6800 can be turned into a 6800GT by unlocking the pipes but there's of
course no guarantee... and in the end I want a card which gives the same
performance (or better) as the 6600GT under standard conditions, not
through overclocking - after all, this is a warranty issue, not me,
looking for a new card to buy!
So, do I accept the PCIe Leadtek 6800 or do I demand a a PCTe Leadtek
6600GT?
Any advice?
Thanks,
Pascal
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Nikonja
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:07 am Post subject:
Re: Warranty proposal: replace PCIe 6600GT with a PCIe 6800. |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:57:03 GMT, Mark Walker wrote:
| Quote: | Pascal,
I would definitely take the 6800 as it has the potential to be a
significantly better performer than your dead 6600GT. Please see the
following article:
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_unlocking/
Also, this was just posted by Inglo in response to a question concerning the
6800:
Alien wrote:
I see a lot of people talking about unlocking "pipes" and what not on
a Geforce 6800, what does this mean? Is it like overclocking or what?
The firing squad article is pretty good. I don't see them mention that
there's no guarantee unlocking the pipes will work.
Main thing though, if it does work you end up with the best bang for
your buck of any card out there. I got my XFX 6800 for $180 last
spring, the pipelines unlocked fine and I've been very happy. The 6600
GTs are nice cards but an unlocked 6800 or even a locked one are
better. You can find the XFX 6800 at newegg.com for $185.
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You obviously din't read the article you put link on because it said:
"..ItĒs important to keep in mind that the above only applies to NVIDIAĒs
AGP GeForce 6800 products. For PCI Express cards, NVIDIA uses two distinct
graphics cores, one with 16 pipelines for GeForce 6800 Ultra/GT (NV45), and
the second, which is built from the start with only 12 pipeline. This is
NV41 and goes into PCI-E GeForce 6800 cards..."
So, man asked about pcix version not agp, and about performance on lower
resolutions to 1024*768 6600gt gives a lot better results with or without
aa and af !
And to Mark you could ask them if you could give some more money and get
6800gt instead ! |
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First of One
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Warranty proposal: replace PCIe 6600GT with a PCIe 6800. |
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"Pascal Lemberge" <pascal.lemberge@ua.ac.be> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Taken into account these two observations... is the PCI Express 6800 still
the more interesting option?
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Take a step back. Even without taking into account unlocking pipelines, the
6800 is still *evenly matched* with the 6600GT. It's easy to get caught up
in the comparisons and become a benchmark whore. Is a 5% performance
difference significant? Is 10%? Can you distinguish between 50 fps and 55
fps?
Most warranty clauses give the mfr the option to replace the defective part
with an equivalent - not necessarily identical, part. The 6800 is for all
practical purposes equivalent to the 6600GT. Leave it at that. Don't like
the 6800? Turn it around and sell it on eBay (the 6800 will likely fetch
more than the 6600GT), then buy a X800GTO. :-)
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"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." |
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noneyabusiness
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Warranty proposal: replace PCIe 6600GT with a PCIe 6800. |
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:03:07 +0100, "Pascal Lemberge"
<pascal.lemberge@ua.ac.be> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for the quick input!
Taken into account the links to the different websites I still have two
doubts... My graphics card, the 6600GT is a PCI Express not AGP... and
hence, the 6800 which is proposed to me is also a PCI Express version.
First observation is that in case of PCI Express a 6800 is slower than a
6600GT (See also the tom hardware links; separate AGP boards and PCI Express
boards listing -
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050705/index.html &
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/index.html). The AnandTech
article referred to by "First of One" doesn't mention whether it's the AGP
or the PCI Express version... although I trust it's about the PCI Express
version, isn't it?
Second observation is that the unblocking of the pipes is only possible for
the AGP version, not for the PCI Express version of the 6800... It's
specifically mentioned by the link referred to by Mark Walker... Apparently
it's a different manufacturing process and approach for the AGP version
compared to the PCI Express version.
Taken into account these two observations... is the PCI Express 6800 still
the more interesting option?
Thanks,
Pascal
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Do you actually *have* any options??
If they don't have your specific replacement, is the one they offered
the only other one available, or as someone else suggested, might they
have a better one they'd allow you to pay the difference on ?
[snip]
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tod
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:07 am Post subject:
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I would guess they do not have any "used" 6600GT to give you.
So instead of giving you a new 6600GT, which they want to sell as new.
They would rather give you a "used" (returned or refurbished) 6800.
You could raise a big stink with Leadtek, spend weeks bugging them until
they give in
and send you a 6600GT.
Or just take the 6800 and go on with your life.
"Pascal Lemberge" <pascal.lemberge@ua.ac.be> wrote in message
news:436bdee3$0$16337$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
| Quote: | Hello,
I had a PCIe Leadtek 6600GT which broke down while still under warranty -
so I returned the card to the shop where I originally bought it and they
sent it back through the retailer to leadtek... anyway... almost three
months later the shop contacts me telling me that I will get a Leadtek
6800 (non ultra, non GT) graphics card in return and apparently not a
6600GT... Why I don't get a new or repaired 6600GT still remains a
question - perhaps they are not available anymore.
My question is: should I accept a 6800 card. I specifically informed to
check whether it was a GT (or even an ultra) and the answer is NO, it's a
plain 6800...
If I look at benchmarks at tomshardware
(http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/index.html) the 6600GT
is always outperforming the 6800. Now I heard that in some cases such a
6800 can be turned into a 6800GT by unlocking the pipes but there's of
course no guarantee... and in the end I want a card which gives the same
performance (or better) as the 6600GT under standard conditions, not
through overclocking - after all, this is a warranty issue, not me,
looking for a new card to buy!
So, do I accept the PCIe Leadtek 6800 or do I demand a a PCTe Leadtek
6600GT?
Any advice?
Thanks,
Pascal
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