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zakezuke
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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Burt wrote:
| Quote: | Zake - Since ink is a big subject on this NG I will add a comment. I was
away for about a month and when I came back I ran one light cleaning cycle
before starting to print and the printer worked just fine. No problems. no
clogs. No color shifts. No banding. MIS ink.
i do not believe this
Under normal circumstances I
would print at lease once or more a week, but this month's hiatus certainly
speaks well for the MIS ink and the clogging claims of our resident Troll.
it clogs many peoples printers
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Burt has more experence with MIS ink than my self, but I've already
used 2oz of ink in each tank, roughly equal to 16 OEM cartridges. I
had to do a cleaning once. It works *just fine* measekite.
But you see, i'm not obsessed like you. Frankly I don't care what ink
you use. Use what ever you like and be happy. But it's wrong of you
to lie about a product that you never *ever* used... and it's crazy to
do so to people who *have* used it. Part of what you say about 3rd
party venders is true... i'm sure there are some crappy options out
there and it can be a royal pain in the tookus getting information
about this subject. If you actually *cared* about people printers
you'll actually permit people like our selves who have had a positive
experence to share our honest experence with others... to help prevent
this grand clogging conspiricy you screaming about.
MIS inks for Canon are just peachy.... and as you said the same ink is
available from a number of venders including Media Street's plug and
play ink. It all comes from the same place... Image Specalists... a
very common type among venders... even overseas ones that are willing
to order a mininium of 656 - 5 gallon pails.
You'll never use the product, which is fine... but since you have
*never* anything you say abou the subject is 100% moot.
If I get a printhead clog... big freaking deal.. i'll just buy another
printer... and it'll still cost less than buying the Canon cartridges.
But I"m willing to bet that the printhead will burn out long before I
get a catastrophic clog. |
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measekite
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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Burt wrote:
| Quote: | Zake - Since ink is a big subject on this NG I will add a comment. I was
away for about a month and when I came back I ran one light cleaning cycle
before starting to print and the printer worked just fine. No problems. no
clogs. No color shifts. No banding. MIS ink.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS |
| Quote: | Under normal circumstances I
would print at lease once or more a week, but this month's hiatus certainly
speaks well for the MIS ink and the clogging claims of our resident Troll.
IT CLOGS MANY PEOPLES PRINTERS |
| Quote: | "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131471791.865990.168590@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Measkite said: Snipped per request
Your survey is subject because you are asking people in a store in the
place that they sell OEM ink, one of the best deals for OEM ink. And
your logic is suspect because even if the ink the gent used was
responcible for a printhead clog... we have to ask the following
1. How much ink did they use
2. How much would it cost if OEM ink was used
And the simple fact of the matter is canon heads have a limited
lifespan.... which is there and abouts of 10 cartridge changes... and
"that's it". If you print more than that OEM or otherwise your above
and beyond what it's designed to do and any failure is part of it's
design.
You sir are obsessed with ink.
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measekite
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject:
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JUST FOLLOW ALL OF THE POSTS
Ron Shaw wrote:
| Quote: | In article <sufcf.25435$6e1.3648@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...
IT CLOGS MANY PEOPLES PRINTERS
Name one.
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measekite
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject:
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JR wrote:
| Quote: | measekite wrote:
Frank wrote:
Burt wrote:
Zake - Since ink is a big subject on this NG I will add a comment.
I was away for about a month and when I came back I ran one light
cleaning cycle before starting to print and the printer worked just
fine. No problems. no clogs. No color shifts. No banding. MIS
ink. Under normal circumstances I would print at lease once or
more a week, but this month's hiatus certainly speaks well for the
MIS ink and the clogging claims of our resident Troll.
Yeah Burt we have had similar experience when we go away for
extended periods of time. MIS after market inks have never ever
clogged any one of our printers.
It simply has not happened. This is great testimony for after market
inks from actual users, not from losers who are not users! :-)
Frank
AFTERMARKET INKS HAVE A HIGHER PROPENSITY TO CLOG THAN CANON INK.
CANON INKS ARE HIGHER QUALITY. CANON INKS ARE DESIGNED FOR THE CANON
PRINTER BY CANON ENGINEERS AS PART OF THE PRINTER.
i see you lie. if they so bad why they so many use them. you think all
people be stupid like you. ha, i dont' think so.
jr
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IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE HP, EPSON, AND CANON PRINTERS
AND THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL OF THE DOLLARS SPENT ON OEM INK COMPARED TO
THE TOTAL YOU WILL FIND THAT THE VERY VAST MAJORITY USE OEM INK. IF
THIS WAS NOT SO THEN THE PRICE OF PRINTERS WOULD HAVE TO BE HIGHER,
ESPECIALLY EPSON. THESE ARE THE SMART ONES. |
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measekite
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | Measkite said: A bunch of crap
The problem is we are talking about a specific product..... MIS from
inksupply.com... a vender.
MIS IS A LABEL NOT A VENDOR |
| Quote: | It works just great... just like that
pcword artical you linked us to a while back listed a couple of after
market venders as being "comparable" to OEM the product we're using
works just fine. It's not a grand conspiricy nor an evil plot for
world domination.... just the simple truth.
YOU MEAN A SIMPLE LIE |
| Quote: | And why on gaia's green earth are you so obsessed with "canon" ink?
DO YOU MEAN GOD'S GREEN EARTH IF THERE IS A GOD. |
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zakezuke
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Measkite said: Crazy stuff
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Do you have any facts or figures to backup this statement?
Are you saying smart people support a monopoly?
We the consumer can not be held accountable if a given business model
starts to fail. It's not our job to subsidize the cost of the printer
by buying ink. It's like saying you can only use ford oil in a car,
toyota oil in a toyota. But let's say for example if double the cost
of a printer would lower your printing costs by a factor of 4. Wouldn't
you agree that would be a better deal? |
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measekite
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | Measkite said: Crazy stuff
Do you have any facts or figures to backup this statement?
Are you saying smart people support a monopoly?
THAT CERTAINLY DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS |
| Quote: | We the consumer can not be held accountable if a given business model
starts to fail. It's not our job to subsidize the cost of the printer
by buying ink.
GROW A BEARD |
| Quote: | It's like saying you can only use ford oil in a car,
toyota oil in a toyota. But let's say for example if double the cost
of a printer would lower your printing costs by a factor of 4. Wouldn't
you agree that would be a better deal?
THAT MAY HOLD A GLASS OF WATER IN THE LOW END BUT NOT IN THE HIGH END. I |
WOULD NOT WANT TO PAY $1000 FOR A CANON I9900 UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. |
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zakezuke
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | I would not want to pay $1000 for a canon i9900 under any circumstances
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But that's the thing.. you do, after 5 cartridge changes. That's
$1000. While I agree that double the cost of the i9900 is too much...
even in this extreme example in the long term it's a better deal.
But I couldn't agree with you more, if they had to change more for the
printers to compensate for 3rd party products or cutting the cost to
produce their ink by 1/4... it's a better deal. |
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measekite
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:13 am Post subject:
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I THINK THEY SHOULD CHARGE 1/2 PRICE FOR THE INK AND THEY COULD INCREASE
THE PRICE OF THE PRINTER BY 15%
zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | I would not want to pay $1000 for a canon i9900 under any circumstances
But that's the thing.. you do, after 5 cartridge changes. That's
$1000. While I agree that double the cost of the i9900 is too much...
even in this extreme example in the long term it's a better deal.
But I couldn't agree with you more, if they had to change more for the
printers to compensate for 3rd party products or cutting the cost to
produce their ink by 1/4... it's a better deal.
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zakezuke
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:19 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | i think they should charge 1/2 the price for the ink and
they could increase the price of the printer by 15%
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I have no idea what the actual cost to produce a single printer is.
But if a 15% increase keeps their head above water and I had my choice
between $1500/gal OEM ink, $750 to $300/gal aftermarket I wouldn't be
unhappy at all.
Good idea measekite. |
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Burt
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
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"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131563952.857233.21800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | i think they should charge 1/2 the price for the ink and
they could increase the price of the printer by 15%
I have no idea what the actual cost to produce a single printer is.
But if a 15% increase keeps their head above water and I had my choice
between $1500/gal OEM ink, $750 to $300/gal aftermarket I wouldn't be
unhappy at all.
Good idea measekite.
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Reality check, folks - the market is what it is and the majority of inkjet
owners will continue to buy OEM ink which contunues to support the present
pricing scheme. Fortunately, the current solution to the cost problem is an
easy one - much discussed on this NG and regarded as an acceptable solution
by all but one of us. Nuff said? |
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measekite
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:44 am Post subject:
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Burt wrote:
| Quote: | "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131563952.857233.21800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
i think they should charge 1/2 the price for the ink and
they could increase the price of the printer by 15%
I have no idea what the actual cost to produce a single printer is.
But if a 15% increase keeps their head above water and I had my choice
between $1500/gal OEM ink, $750 to $300/gal aftermarket I wouldn't be
unhappy at all.
Good idea measekite.
Reality check, folks - the market is what it is and the majority of inkjet
owners will continue to buy OEM ink which contunues to support the present
pricing scheme.
THAT IS CORRECT |
| Quote: | Fortunately, the current solution to the cost problem is an
easy one -
THEIR ARE VERY FEW SOLUTIONS IF ANY |
| Quote: | much discussed on this NG and regarded as an acceptable solution
by all but one of us. Nuff said?
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zakezuke
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:50 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Measkite said: Snipped per request
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No, there are plenty of solutions. Only a handful meet measekite's
requirements. But a given end user only needs one soluiton typicaly
speaking. |
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Mickey
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:55 am Post subject:
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Frank wrote:
| Quote: | Burt wrote:
Zake - Since ink is a big subject on this NG I will add a comment. I
was away for about a month and when I came back I ran one light
cleaning cycle before starting to print and the printer worked just
fine. No problems. no clogs. No color shifts. No banding. MIS ink.
Under normal circumstances I would print at lease once or more a week,
but this month's hiatus certainly speaks well for the MIS ink and the
clogging claims of our resident Troll.
Yeah Burt we have had similar experience when we go away for extended
periods of time. MIS after market inks have never ever clogged any one
of our printers.
It simply has not happened. This is great testimony for after market
inks from actual users, not from losers who are not users! :-)
Frank
I'll third Burt's comments experience, both with MIS and Kirkland paper. |
Mickey |
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Ron Shaw
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:40 am Post subject:
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No, dumbass. YOU name one (or shutup).
In article <GOocf.17315$dO2.8870@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...
| Quote: | JUST FOLLOW ALL OF THE POSTS
Ron Shaw wrote:
In article <sufcf.25435$6e1.3648@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...
IT CLOGS MANY PEOPLES PRINTERS
Name one.
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