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Guy Kornetzki
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject:
Data from damaged machine |
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Hi,
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot up?
If I physically remove the Hard-Drive for example, can I connect it to
something and access the data?
Was told at the lab that it may be a motherboard problem, so looks like
quite a serious fault. Hard-Drive seems to spin though when trying to power
up, but screen is blacked-out; no go with safe-mode nor a recovery CD.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo. |
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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"Guy Kornetzki" <newsgrp@kornetzki.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi,
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot up?
If I physically remove the Hard-Drive for example, can I connect it to
something and access the data?
Was told at the lab that it may be a motherboard problem, so looks like
quite a serious fault. Hard-Drive seems to spin though when trying to
power
up, but screen is blacked-out; no go with safe-mode nor a recovery CD.
Any ideas?
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One thing you could do is purchase a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter cable made to
install a notebook drive in a desktop, another would be to look for a usb
drive enclosure made for 2.5" drives. |
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Peter T. Breuer
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:38 pm Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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Guy Kornetzki <newsgrp@kornetzki.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot up?
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Sure. Put the disk in another machine.
Peter |
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Notan
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
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Guy Kornetzki <newsgrp@kornetzki.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot up?
Sure. Put the disk in another machine.
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Unless a hard drive password has been set.
Notan |
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Peter T. Breuer
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:01 am Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
Guy Kornetzki <newsgrp@kornetzki.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot up?
Sure. Put the disk in another machine.
Unless a hard drive password has been set.
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Then use the password, bro.
Peter |
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Notan
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:07 am Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
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Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
Guy Kornetzki <newsgrp@kornetzki.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot up?
Sure. Put the disk in another machine.
Unless a hard drive password has been set.
Then use the password, bro.
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Huh?
My point was, if it's the hard drive password that's preventing boot up,
moving the hard drive to another machine still won't allow access to it.
Notan |
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Peter T. Breuer
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:20 am Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
Guy Kornetzki <newsgrp@kornetzki.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot up?
Sure. Put the disk in another machine.
Unless a hard drive password has been set.
Then use the password, bro.
Huh?
My point was, if it's the hard drive password that's preventing boot up,
moving the hard drive to another machine still won't allow access to it.
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The point remains - his password, he gets to use it (and he can use it
on whichever machine he likes).
Peter |
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Barry Watzman
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:44 am Post subject:
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Yes, remove the hard drive from the computer entirely and either use a
desktop IDE adapter (about $3 to $8) or use a 2.5" IDE to USB laptop
adapter ($10 to $20).
Guy Kornetzki wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot up?
If I physically remove the Hard-Drive for example, can I connect it to
something and access the data?
Was told at the lab that it may be a motherboard problem, so looks like
quite a serious fault. Hard-Drive seems to spin though when trying to power
up, but screen is blacked-out; no go with safe-mode nor a recovery CD.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
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Guy Kornetzki
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:16 am Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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Gentleman, let's not fight about this :)
Tell me more about this cable option: will I need a special software to read
the Hard-Drive on another computer (another laptop in this case), or will it
just appear as a second Hard-Drive I can Explore?
Thanks for all the replies by the way.
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
PS: Just for the record - I'm helping a friend, it's not my laptop; so if
there is a password - I don't know it. ;)
"Peter T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
Guy Kornetzki <newsgrp@kornetzki.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to
boot up?
Sure. Put the disk in another machine.
Unless a hard drive password has been set.
Then use the password, bro.
Huh?
My point was, if it's the hard drive password that's preventing boot up,
moving the hard drive to another machine still won't allow access to it.
The point remains - his password, he gets to use it (and he can use it
on whichever machine he likes).
Peter |
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Joel Kolstad
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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"Guy Kornetzki" <newsgrp@kornetzki.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dkegb1$fjp$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
| Quote: | Tell me more about this cable option: will I need a special software to read
the Hard-Drive on another computer (another laptop in this case), or will it
just appear as a second Hard-Drive I can Explore?
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It'll just show up as a second hard drive in Explorer. At least if the
operating on your working laptop understands the file system on the hard
drive. I.e., you can't use Windows 95 to read an NTFS formatted drive that
might have come from a Windows XP machine.
Note that most all laptops only have one hard drive connection, so investing
in one of those USB->IDE converters might make good sense. Actually, I'd
suggest doing this with a desktop machine if possible -- you'll need an
adapter cable because the laptop hard drives (2.5", I'm assuming -- 1.8" gets
much trickier) use a smaller connector than a regular desktop (3.5") hard
drive does.
---Joel Kolstad |
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Peter T. Breuer
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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Guy Kornetzki <newsgrp@kornetzki.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Tell me more about this cable option: will I need a special software to read
the Hard-Drive on another computer
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No. Computers don't need special software to read hard drives - they
already have it, and it is called "an IDE controller driver" and
"a type-X file system driver".
| Quote: | (another laptop in this case), or will it
just appear as a second Hard-Drive I can Explore?
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It will appear as the one and only hard-drive, since laptops do not
have room internally for physically putting two hard drives in there,
and so you will have to take the other one out first.
Why not put it on a desktop? You can get a $10 cable-adapter. Desktops
at least have the cables for more!
Or are you thinking that you can put two drives on the same cable in
the laptop? The cable is not accessible, usually, just the end-socket,
and the pin-adapter on the laptop hd usually configures the disk fr
slave or cable-select or smething you have no control over.
Peter |
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Guy Kornetzki
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:31 pm Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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That's great everyone, thanks a lot for your help.
Will forward the info to my friend, the owner of the damaged laptop, so he
can decide. But sounds to me like it might be a good idea in general to get
an IDE to USB cable as an emergency tool to salvage info from Hard-Drives if
the machine croaks.
Have read about solutions which offer an enclosure for a Hard-Drive; is it
as simple as slotting a 2.5" Hard-Drive into an empty shell thus turning it
into a portable external Hard-Drive? Seems to me like this would be the
ideal solution.
Regards,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:436ABD0A.8070701@neo.rr.com...
| Quote: | Yes, remove the hard drive from the computer entirely and either use a
desktop IDE adapter (about $3 to $8) or use a 2.5" IDE to USB laptop
adapter ($10 to $20).
Guy Kornetzki wrote:
Hi,
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot
up?
If I physically remove the Hard-Drive for example, can I connect it to
something and access the data?
Was told at the lab that it may be a motherboard problem, so looks like
quite a serious fault. Hard-Drive seems to spin though when trying to
power
up, but screen is blacked-out; no go with safe-mode nor a recovery CD.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
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Barry Watzman
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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It's very simple, and very inexpensive. However, there are a few things
that you can do with a "real" IDE connection that you cannot do with
USB, although a USB connection is far more convenient and works well for
applications limited to normal data transfer. SMART reporting,
diagnostics and some other functions only work with a direct IDE
connection, however.
Guy Kornetzki wrote:
| Quote: | That's great everyone, thanks a lot for your help.
Will forward the info to my friend, the owner of the damaged laptop, so he
can decide. But sounds to me like it might be a good idea in general to get
an IDE to USB cable as an emergency tool to salvage info from Hard-Drives if
the machine croaks.
Have read about solutions which offer an enclosure for a Hard-Drive; is it
as simple as slotting a 2.5" Hard-Drive into an empty shell thus turning it
into a portable external Hard-Drive? Seems to me like this would be the
ideal solution.
Regards,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:436ABD0A.8070701@neo.rr.com...
Yes, remove the hard drive from the computer entirely and either use a
desktop IDE adapter (about $3 to $8) or use a 2.5" IDE to USB laptop
adapter ($10 to $20).
Guy Kornetzki wrote:
Hi,
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot
up?
If I physically remove the Hard-Drive for example, can I connect it to
something and access the data?
Was told at the lab that it may be a motherboard problem, so looks like
quite a serious fault. Hard-Drive seems to spin though when trying to
power
up, but screen is blacked-out; no go with safe-mode nor a recovery CD.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
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Guy Kornetzki
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:08 am Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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Hi everyone,
Well I got the enclosure, popped-in the HD, connected it to the other laptop
and.......nothing. It's not recognising anything being connected, not even
saying there's a fault with a USB device.
Tried running 'Add Hardware' wizard, still no Plug'n'Play devices detected,
so I proceeded with manual install of whatever I was given. But at the end
of the process got an error message saying: "installation failed because a
function driver was not specified for this device instance".
Any ideas? Does this mean the HD may be faulty? How can I check this at home
without a PC lab?
Thanks,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:436B7388.90308@neo.rr.com...
| Quote: | It's very simple, and very inexpensive. However, there are a few things
that you can do with a "real" IDE connection that you cannot do with
USB, although a USB connection is far more convenient and works well for
applications limited to normal data transfer. SMART reporting,
diagnostics and some other functions only work with a direct IDE
connection, however.
Guy Kornetzki wrote:
That's great everyone, thanks a lot for your help.
Will forward the info to my friend, the owner of the damaged laptop, so
he
can decide. But sounds to me like it might be a good idea in general to
get
an IDE to USB cable as an emergency tool to salvage info from
Hard-Drives if
the machine croaks.
Have read about solutions which offer an enclosure for a Hard-Drive; is
it
as simple as slotting a 2.5" Hard-Drive into an empty shell thus turning
it
into a portable external Hard-Drive? Seems to me like this would be the
ideal solution.
Regards,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:436ABD0A.8070701@neo.rr.com...
Yes, remove the hard drive from the computer entirely and either use a
desktop IDE adapter (about $3 to $8) or use a 2.5" IDE to USB laptop
adapter ($10 to $20).
Guy Kornetzki wrote:
Hi,
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot
up?
If I physically remove the Hard-Drive for example, can I connect it to
something and access the data?
Was told at the lab that it may be a motherboard problem, so looks like
quite a serious fault. Hard-Drive seems to spin though when trying to
power
up, but screen is blacked-out; no go with safe-mode nor a recovery CD.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
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TheBurgerMan
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:22 am Post subject:
Re: Data from damaged machine |
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You need to get the 2.5 to 3.5 convertor and put the drive in you desktop!
For myself, I usually unhook the CD-ROM and put the laptop drive on it's
cable and power (as most of my systems have the CD and hard drive on
different IDE channels, then I don't have to screw around with making the
laptop hard drive a slave).
Then your desktop should be able to recognize it being there. If not (and
assuming everything is hooked up correctly), then you may have a dead drive
and it will take other measures to recover the data.
--
Thanks,
TheBurgerMan
at
gmail.com
--
"Guy Kornetzki" <newsgrp@kornetzki.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dkg84u$efr$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
| Quote: | Hi everyone,
Well I got the enclosure, popped-in the HD, connected it to the other
laptop
and.......nothing. It's not recognising anything being connected, not even
saying there's a fault with a USB device.
Tried running 'Add Hardware' wizard, still no Plug'n'Play devices
detected,
so I proceeded with manual install of whatever I was given. But at the end
of the process got an error message saying: "installation failed because a
function driver was not specified for this device instance".
Any ideas? Does this mean the HD may be faulty? How can I check this at
home
without a PC lab?
Thanks,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:436B7388.90308@neo.rr.com...
It's very simple, and very inexpensive. However, there are a few things
that you can do with a "real" IDE connection that you cannot do with
USB, although a USB connection is far more convenient and works well for
applications limited to normal data transfer. SMART reporting,
diagnostics and some other functions only work with a direct IDE
connection, however.
Guy Kornetzki wrote:
That's great everyone, thanks a lot for your help.
Will forward the info to my friend, the owner of the damaged laptop, so
he
can decide. But sounds to me like it might be a good idea in general to
get
an IDE to USB cable as an emergency tool to salvage info from
Hard-Drives if
the machine croaks.
Have read about solutions which offer an enclosure for a Hard-Drive; is
it
as simple as slotting a 2.5" Hard-Drive into an empty shell thus
turning
it
into a portable external Hard-Drive? Seems to me like this would be the
ideal solution.
Regards,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:436ABD0A.8070701@neo.rr.com...
Yes, remove the hard drive from the computer entirely and either use a
desktop IDE adapter (about $3 to $8) or use a 2.5" IDE to USB laptop
adapter ($10 to $20).
Guy Kornetzki wrote:
Hi,
Can I access data from a Hard-Drive when the laptop can't seem to boot
up?
If I physically remove the Hard-Drive for example, can I connect it to
something and access the data?
Was told at the lab that it may be a motherboard problem, so looks
like
quite a serious fault. Hard-Drive seems to spin though when trying to
power
up, but screen is blacked-out; no go with safe-mode nor a recovery CD.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
~ ~ ~
GuyKo.
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