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Arne Anka
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject:
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I alt.comp.freeware, sa Angry Andrew utan att tänka först:
Looks like some World of Warcraft hackers like the Sony BMG rootkit
<http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/34>
X-Posted to alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.periphs.cdr
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Arne Anka
Men det värsta är inte själva baksmällan,
den verkliga pärsen börjar när gårdagens
oundvikliga sanningar börjar rullas upp för en...
<http://starcruiser.dk/arne/> |
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Rob Kelk
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:40 am Post subject:
Re: Boycott Sony cd's |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:33:45 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@optonline.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:21:26 -0500, Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com
said in alt.comp.freeware:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:51:05 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@optonline.net
wrote:
Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.
That won't wash - the CD presents an EULA before installing the
software, and won't install the software if you don't agree to the EULA.
"Install" on an old Sony Walkman? It barely had enough smarts to
*play* a CD.
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If you don't put the CD anywhere near your PC, then Sony doesn't get to
attempt unauthorized access. Either way, it doesn't wash...
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Rob Kelk
Personal address, in ROT-13: eboxryx -ng- tznvy -qbg- pbz |
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Jim Nugent
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:p84nm1pobna4u676bgsljo36i3qs7p9nc1@4ax.com...
| Quote: | Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.
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What would happen if you use something like cdplayer.exe, that puts the
CDROM into analog CD mode and plays directly through the sound card via the
analog audio cable?
Also both of my burning programs (Nero and Roxio) will cheerfully open
session 01 (audio) and display, copy, or rip the tracks. I've done this on
"mixed mode" CD's but not on a true DRMified CD. But what could be different
if session 01 has to be Red book standard?
Maybe I'm missing something...
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Jim
"Remember, an amateur built the Ark; professionals built the Titanic." |
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Mike Bourke
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject:
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What your missing is that the spyware rewrites parts of your operating
system so that none of these things will happen any more.
Mike Bourke
"Jim Nugent" <njim2k-u@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rNdcf.5827$Y61.959@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:p84nm1pobna4u676bgsljo36i3qs7p9nc1@4ax.com...
Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.
What would happen if you use something like cdplayer.exe, that puts the
CDROM into analog CD mode and plays directly through the sound card via
the
analog audio cable?
Also both of my burning programs (Nero and Roxio) will cheerfully open
session 01 (audio) and display, copy, or rip the tracks. I've done this on
"mixed mode" CD's but not on a true DRMified CD. But what could be
different
if session 01 has to be Red book standard?
Maybe I'm missing something...
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Jim
"Remember, an amateur built the Ark; professionals built the Titanic."
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Jim Nugent
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject:
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Mike, hope you don't mind- I re-ordered some stuff to prevent a mix of top
and bottom posting...
"Mike Bourke" <mbou3355@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:B%lcf.13035$Hj2.1670@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
| Quote: | "Jim Nugent" <njim2k-u@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rNdcf.5827$Y61.959@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
What would happen if you use something like cdplayer.exe, that puts the
CDROM into analog CD mode and plays directly through the sound card via
the
analog audio cable?
Also both of my burning programs (Nero and Roxio) will cheerfully open
session 01 (audio) and display, copy, or rip the tracks. I've done this
on
"mixed mode" CD's but not on a true DRMified CD. But what could be
different
if session 01 has to be Red book standard?
Maybe I'm missing something...
What your missing is that the spyware rewrites parts of your operating
system so that none of these things will happen any more.
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But that's only if you let the session 02 code run. I should have clarified:
Either don't let it autorun (hold down the shift key on insertion), or...
What happens if you REJECT the EULA? Does it still install stuff?
I'm talking about someone who KNOWS about the issue; I acknowledge the
problems faced by someone caught off guard by all of this. Now, I have
Autorun enabled, but if I put in an audio CD, and got a EULA in my face, I'd
abort the whole deal and do some investigating with windows explorer. But
then I'm not the average user.
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Jim
"Remember, an amateur built the Ark; professionals built the Titanic." |
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ellis_jay
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: Boycott Sony cd's |
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ellis_jay wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Nugent wrote:
Mike, hope you don't mind- I re-ordered some stuff to prevent a mix
of top and bottom posting...
"Mike Bourke" <mbou3355@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:B%lcf.13035$Hj2.1670@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Jim Nugent" <njim2k-u@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rNdcf.5827$Y61.959@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
What would happen if you use something like cdplayer.exe, that puts
the CDROM into analog CD mode and plays directly through the sound
card via the analog audio cable?
Also both of my burning programs (Nero and Roxio) will cheerfully
open session 01 (audio) and display, copy, or rip the tracks. I've
done this on "mixed mode" CD's but not on a true DRMified CD. But
what could be different if session 01 has to be Red book standard?
Maybe I'm missing something...
What your missing is that the spyware rewrites parts of your
operating system so that none of these things will happen any more.
But that's only if you let the session 02 code run. I should have
clarified: Either don't let it autorun (hold down the shift key on
insertion), or...
What happens if you REJECT the EULA? Does it still install stuff?
I'm talking about someone who KNOWS about the issue; I acknowledge
the problems faced by someone caught off guard by all of this. Now,
I have Autorun enabled, but if I put in an audio CD, and got a EULA
in my face, I'd abort the whole deal and do some investigating with
windows explorer. But then I'm not the average user.
I am missing all but 3 of the posts about this topic. I am guessing
that you three are talking about this root kit crap below?
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html |
forgot this for nov 9th 2005
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/
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Their ethics are a short summary of police ordinances: for them the
most important thing is to be a useful member of the state, and to air
their opinions in the club of an evening; they have never felt the
homesickness for something unknown and far away, nor the depths which
consists in being nothing at all. ___________Soren Kierkegaard
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ellis_jay
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: Boycott Sony cd's |
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Jim Nugent wrote:
| Quote: | Mike, hope you don't mind- I re-ordered some stuff to prevent a mix
of top and bottom posting...
"Mike Bourke" <mbou3355@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:B%lcf.13035$Hj2.1670@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Jim Nugent" <njim2k-u@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rNdcf.5827$Y61.959@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
What would happen if you use something like cdplayer.exe, that puts
the CDROM into analog CD mode and plays directly through the sound
card via the analog audio cable?
Also both of my burning programs (Nero and Roxio) will cheerfully
open session 01 (audio) and display, copy, or rip the tracks. I've
done this on "mixed mode" CD's but not on a true DRMified CD. But
what could be different if session 01 has to be Red book standard?
Maybe I'm missing something...
What your missing is that the spyware rewrites parts of your
operating system so that none of these things will happen any more.
But that's only if you let the session 02 code run. I should have
clarified: Either don't let it autorun (hold down the shift key on
insertion), or...
What happens if you REJECT the EULA? Does it still install stuff?
I'm talking about someone who KNOWS about the issue; I acknowledge the
problems faced by someone caught off guard by all of this. Now, I have
Autorun enabled, but if I put in an audio CD, and got a EULA in my
face, I'd abort the whole deal and do some investigating with windows
explorer. But then I'm not the average user.
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I am missing all but 3 of the posts about this topic. I am guessing that
you three are talking about this root kit crap below?
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html
--
Their ethics are a short summary of police ordinances: for them the
most important thing is to be a useful member of the state, and to air
their opinions in the club of an evening; they have never felt the
homesickness for something unknown and far away, nor the depths which
consists in being nothing at all. ___________Soren Kierkegaard
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John Corliss
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject:
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Angry Andrew wrote:
This latest may be of interest to you:
http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2106#more-2106
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Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please. |
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Mike Bourke
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject:
Re: Boycott Sony cd's |
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"Jim Nugent" <njim2k-u@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6Xncf.6928$Kv.3240@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
| Quote: | Mike, hope you don't mind- I re-ordered some stuff to prevent a mix of top
and bottom posting...
"Mike Bourke" <mbou3355@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:B%lcf.13035$Hj2.1670@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Jim Nugent" <njim2k-u@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rNdcf.5827$Y61.959@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
What would happen if you use something like cdplayer.exe, that puts
the
CDROM into analog CD mode and plays directly through the sound card
via
the
analog audio cable?
Also both of my burning programs (Nero and Roxio) will cheerfully open
session 01 (audio) and display, copy, or rip the tracks. I've done
this
on
"mixed mode" CD's but not on a true DRMified CD. But what could be
different
if session 01 has to be Red book standard?
Maybe I'm missing something...
What your missing is that the spyware rewrites parts of your operating
system so that none of these things will happen any more.
But that's only if you let the session 02 code run. I should have
clarified:
Either don't let it autorun (hold down the shift key on insertion), or...
What happens if you REJECT the EULA? Does it still install stuff?
I'm talking about someone who KNOWS about the issue; I acknowledge the
problems faced by someone caught off guard by all of this. Now, I have
Autorun enabled, but if I put in an audio CD, and got a EULA in my face,
I'd
abort the whole deal and do some investigating with windows explorer. But
then I'm not the average user.
--
Jim
"Remember, an amateur built the Ark; professionals built the Titanic."
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It's my understanding that the encoding is NOT Red Book standard, and that
if you reject the EULA you can't play the CD on your computer. But that
might not be correct.
I have no problem with posts being rearranged for clarity, and I apologise
for making it necessary.
And, in answer to Ellis Jay's question, yes; Sony Rootkits are exactly what
are being discussed.
Mike Bourke |
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charles
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject:
Re: Boycott Sony cd's |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:40:12 -0800, John Corliss <jcorliss@fake.invalid>
wrote:
and here's something that came by via Afterdawn.com -
Trojan takes advantage of Sony BMG DRM
10 November 2005
The uproar about the Digital Rights Management (DRM) technology in use
on some CDs distributed by Sony BMG is set to heat up again following
the confirmation that a trojan has now appeared that takes advantage of
the DRM's file hiding capabilities. It was picked up by Sophos in an
email that poses as an email from a British magazine. Here..
<http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/7015.cfm> |
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Mike Bourke
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject:
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There are now at least two trojans, including the one reported by Charles. I
am involved in several other groups and affilliations which are actively
discussing this at the moment, these links contain the latest info.
http://www.dashes.com/anil/stuff/doctorow-drm-ms.html
It would also appear that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security is not
happy with Sony either.
http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/11/the_bush_admini.htm
and finally,
http://dewinter.com_modules.php_name=News&file=article&sid=215
I found the dashes.com aticle especially interesting reading. I was
immediatly reminded of Robert Heinlein's very first published story,
Lifeline. To paraphrase it, a scientist figures out how to predice exactly
when someone will die, and the insurance companies take him to court. They
wheel out all sorts of experts to testify against him, but they all fall
foul of being experts in everything related to the science involved but not
the science itself. This made them the equivalent of a bioligist claiming
that a car wouldn't work because it didn't have feet. The court in the story
eventually ruled - and I'll actually quote this part - "There has grown up
in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man
or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years,
the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such
profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and
contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by
statute nor common law. Neither individuals not corporations have any right
to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned
back."
Prophetic words indeed; the analogy is clear. Yet this is exactly what the
recording industry have achieved, and seek to continue to achieve, over the
last decade or so. The artists they represent may be entitled to damages
from file-sharing and MP3; those are protected by the constitution for the
express purposes of encouraging them to continue. The record companies
distribution mechanism is NOT. If they were smart, they would have built a
better P2P service instead of even forming the acronym, DRM. They seem to
have confused their rights with those of the artists they represent.
Mike
"charles" <someone@somewhere.org> wrote in message
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Querulantus
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject:
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"Mike Bourke" <mbou3355@bigpond.net.au>:
| Quote: | http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/11/the_bush_admini.htm
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"The requested URL /securityfix/2005/11/the_bush_admini.htm was not
found on this server."
| Quote: | http://dewinter.com_modules.php_name=News&file=article&sid=215
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"Cannot Find Server - The web site you typed in could not be found on
the internet."
Querulantus |
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John Corliss
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject:
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Querulantus wrote:
Heh. As slippery as an eel soaked in snot.
--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please. |
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Mike Bourke
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject:
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"ellis_jay" <ellis_jay@firstbase.coma> wrote in message
news:5LKdnfpKp6zk2-veRVn-vQ@comcast.com...> Lots of links here:
Thanks for that. Not sure what happened with those links, I tested them and
they were working when I posted them.
Here are some more updates (and I hope THESE links work!):
http://hack.fi/~muzzy/sony-drm/
While this contains some old news, the list of remnants left behind after
using Sony's "uninstall" is quite disturbing.
And,
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1886122,00.asp
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