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SLLD
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Use a honest OS like linux.
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Why do you find it necessary to attack windows??
You are not forced to use it.
What if I tell you , you must drive a 61 chevy truck??
go to your linsux site and leave us alone...
Signed XXX
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Use a honest OS like linux.
What difference would that make? If Linux was popular enough for Sony
to care, they could just as easily write this crap to run under Linux.
Not "as easily" - the kernel architecture is substantially different.
But it could be done, yes. I'm not sure how much room would be left on
the CD for music, though...
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Gordon Abbot
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject:
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John Corliss wrote:
permission. This is supposedly illegal in some states, so they may have
opened themselves up to fines and lawsuits. Their action will make your
computer vulnerable to root viruses.
Add that some root file virus removers will trash your hard drive and
make you lose everything trying to remove something put on there without
your permission makes it even worse for a supposedly legitimate
business. Sony has really blundered on this one.
Add that to the fact that their quality has gone down and they are
behind the power curve on flat screens, sell your stock.
GA
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:07 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:45:04 -0600, "SLLD" <jimnluna@isp.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Use a honest OS like linux.
Why do you find it necessary to attack windows??
You are not forced to use it.
What if I tell you , you must drive a 61 chevy truck??
go to your linsux site and leave us alone...
Signed XXX
That wasn't an attack on an inferior operating system. |
Given the problems getting Linux drivers for peripherals - you might
say one is forced to use Windows.
Your analogy suffers. Linux is continually evolving and improving
unlike the Windows Chevy truck.
Linux site? Microsoft owns Usenet now? Maybe you should stick to
your AOL groups.
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Use a honest OS like linux.
What difference would that make? If Linux was popular enough for Sony
to care, they could just as easily write this crap to run under Linux.
Not "as easily" - the kernel architecture is substantially different.
But it could be done, yes. I'm not sure how much room would be left on
the CD for music, though...
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Rob Kelk
Personal address, in ROT-13: eboxryx -ng- tznvy -qbg- pbz
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The Seabat
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:29:21 +0100, Angry Andrew
<angryandrewboycottsonybmg@sonycrap.com> wrote:
Let me see iffn I have this all straight. If I buy a SONY cd at an
exorbitant price they claimed would be reduced, since it is soo much
cheaper to make cd's than vinyl records, but isn't. Then play this
said cd on my 'puter it will install adware, spyware (and who knows
what other crap) onto my machine along with some hokey player just to
listen to said cd. Also I can only rip 3 copies of the cd. Then if I
want to remove (gasp!) their junk from my machine, I have to contact
SONY and beg them for their permission and instructions on how to do
this? And if I do that, my machine will be fine, but damn, I can't
play that cd on it ever again??
I've got one thing to say about that, FU*K YOU, SONY!!
Pardon my French!
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Mike Bourke
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject:
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No, there's more to it than that. The technology used leaves your system
open to exploits by other malware; while the software is installed it
reports back to sony on the CDs that you play on the affected system; and if
you employ their patch and just try to delete the now-visible files and
registry entries, your CD drive stops working.
What's more, since the music player is bundled free with any music CD that
you buy from them, and reportedly on some DVDs as well, it could technically
be considered freeware. "In theory" you aren't paying for the software,
you're paying for the data that the software is intended to access.
Reportedly, this can be beaten by disabline autoplay on your CD drive,
enabling you to open the cd's tracks using your preferred CD player
software - but that means that you have to go without the convenience of
your system automatically recognising music CDs when you insert them.
There have been complaints made to the Ausrtralian Government at various
levels and it has been reported that a UK-based class action suit has
gathered over 1500 supporters. It would not surprise me to learn that there
are other moves being made in response to this.
Mike
"The Seabat" <seabat@boardermail.com> wrote in message
news:1ktmm1dq3mes3ghn24is6sh2td78n50m7n@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:29:21 +0100, Angry Andrew
angryandrewboycottsonybmg@sonycrap.com> wrote:
Boycott Sony/BMG
"While the Sony CDs play fine on Red Book audio devices such as
standard consumer electronics CD players, when they're played on a
Windows PC the software forces playback through a bundled media
player, and restricts how many digital copies can be made from
Windows."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/01/sony_rootkit_drm/
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.
html
A.A.
Let me see iffn I have this all straight. If I buy a SONY cd at an
exorbitant price they claimed would be reduced, since it is soo much
cheaper to make cd's than vinyl records, but isn't. Then play this
said cd on my 'puter it will install adware, spyware (and who knows
what other crap) onto my machine along with some hokey player just to
listen to said cd. Also I can only rip 3 copies of the cd. Then if I
want to remove (gasp!) their junk from my machine, I have to contact
SONY and beg them for their permission and instructions on how to do
this? And if I do that, my machine will be fine, but damn, I can't
play that cd on it ever again??
I've got one thing to say about that, FU*K YOU, SONY!!
Pardon my French!
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Al Klein
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject:
Re: Boycott Sony cd's |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:07:00 -0500, default < > said in
alt.comp.freeware:
| Quote: | On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:45:04 -0600, "SLLD" <jimnluna@isp.com> wrote:
Use a honest OS like linux.
Why do you find it necessary to attack windows??
You are not forced to use it.
What if I tell you , you must drive a 61 chevy truck??
go to your linsux site and leave us alone...
Signed XXX
That wasn't an attack on an inferior operating system.
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You're right. It was a comment on an inferior operating system. :) |
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Al Klein
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:38:30 -0500, Gordon Abbot <gabbot@mmo.net> said
in alt.comp.freeware:
| Quote: | Sony is installing a dangerous program to your computer without your
permission. This is supposedly illegal in some states
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Unauthorized access to a computer is a violation of FEDERAL law, so
it's illegal in ALL states.
| Quote: | so they may have opened themselves up to fines and lawsuits.
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"May have"? They have. But the courts are loathe to find against
major multinationals in cases in which those multinationals may suffer
losses in the billions. Especially if the plaintiff is John Q.
Nobody. Now if Multinational, Inc., presses suit against Sony for
invading their thousands of computers, we may see a major class-action
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Al Klein
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject:
Re: Boycott Sony cd's |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:49:56 GMT, The Seabat <seabat@boardermail.com>
said in alt.comp.freeware:
| Quote: | Let me see iffn I have this all straight. If I buy a SONY cd at an
exorbitant price they claimed would be reduced, since it is soo much
cheaper to make cd's than vinyl records, but isn't. Then play this
said cd on my 'puter it will install adware, spyware (and who knows
what other crap) onto my machine along with some hokey player just to
listen to said cd. Also I can only rip 3 copies of the cd. Then if I
want to remove (gasp!) their junk from my machine, I have to contact
SONY and beg them for their permission and instructions on how to do
this? And if I do that, my machine will be fine, but damn, I can't
play that cd on it ever again??
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Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer. |
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DevilsPGD
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:13 am Post subject:
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In message <p84nm1pobna4u676bgsljo36i3qs7p9nc1@4ax.com> Al Klein
<rukbat@optonline.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:49:56 GMT, The Seabat <seabat@boardermail.com
said in alt.comp.freeware:
Let me see iffn I have this all straight. If I buy a SONY cd at an
exorbitant price they claimed would be reduced, since it is soo much
cheaper to make cd's than vinyl records, but isn't. Then play this
said cd on my 'puter it will install adware, spyware (and who knows
what other crap) onto my machine along with some hokey player just to
listen to said cd. Also I can only rip 3 copies of the cd. Then if I
want to remove (gasp!) their junk from my machine, I have to contact
SONY and beg them for their permission and instructions on how to do
this? And if I do that, my machine will be fine, but damn, I can't
play that cd on it ever again??
Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.
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And while I wouldn't advice purchasing ANYTHING from Sony right now,
finding an old Sony discman would seem to be the best choice.
It's only appropriate to use a company's own products to circumvent
their own stupidity.
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MyName
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:35 am Post subject:
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The Seabat <seabat@boardermail.com> wrote in
news:1ktmm1dq3mes3ghn24is6sh2td78n50m7n@4ax.com:
| Quote: | On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:29:21 +0100, Angry Andrew
angryandrewboycottsonybmg@sonycrap.com> wrote:
Boycott Sony/BMG
"While the Sony CDs play fine on Red Book audio devices
such as standard consumer electronics CD players, when
they're played on a Windows PC the software forces
playback through a bundled media player, and restricts how
many digital copies can be made from Windows."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/01/sony_rootkit_drm/
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-
digital-rights.html
A.A.
Let me see iffn I have this all straight. If I buy a SONY
cd at an exorbitant price they claimed would be reduced,
since it is soo much cheaper to make cd's than vinyl
records, but isn't. Then play this said cd on my 'puter it
will install adware, spyware (and who knows what other
crap) onto my machine along with some hokey player just to
listen to said cd. Also I can only rip 3 copies of the cd.
Then if I want to remove (gasp!) their junk from my
machine, I have to contact SONY and beg them for their
permission and instructions on how to do this? And if I do
that, my machine will be fine, but damn, I can't play that
cd on it ever again??
I've got one thing to say about that, FU*K YOU, SONY!!
Pardon my French!
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"Useless eaters"
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Rob Kelk
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: Boycott Sony cd's |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:51:05 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@optonline.net>
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| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:49:56 GMT, The Seabat <seabat@boardermail.com
said in alt.comp.freeware:
Let me see iffn I have this all straight. If I buy a SONY cd at an
exorbitant price they claimed would be reduced, since it is soo much
cheaper to make cd's than vinyl records, but isn't. Then play this
said cd on my 'puter it will install adware, spyware (and who knows
what other crap) onto my machine along with some hokey player just to
listen to said cd. Also I can only rip 3 copies of the cd. Then if I
want to remove (gasp!) their junk from my machine, I have to contact
SONY and beg them for their permission and instructions on how to do
this? And if I do that, my machine will be fine, but damn, I can't
play that cd on it ever again??
Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.
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That won't wash - the CD presents an EULA before installing the
software, and won't install the software if you don't agree to the EULA.
You can get them on misrepresentation, though - the EULA says the
software can be removed, but there's no provision to do so...
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Brendan R. Wehrung
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
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"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." (nemlidaka@ameritech.net) writes:
| Quote: | FWIW:
"We wrote on Tuesday about the DRM software from Sony that used rootkit
technologies. The company behind the technology, First 4 Internet, has now
released an update for the software. After visiting the web site,
downloading and installing the update, it now seems that the DRM software no
longer attempts to hide anything on the computer. The rootkit driver
(aries.sys) is removed from the system during the update.
The update from Sony is available here
http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html
We sincerely hope that the updated version will make it to the CD's in
stores as soon as possible. Many people that buy copy-protected music will
not be aware of the programs that get installed on their computers, let
alone worry about updating them.
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Um, doesn't the patch description say that all it does is make the
installed software visible, not that is is automatically removed?
You still have to figure how to remove the malicious software, and haven't
those who have tried to do so had CD audio playback disables on their
computers?
BOYCOTT SONY UNTIL THE OFFENDING SOFTWARE IS REMOVED FROM THEIR PRODUCT!
Brendan
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Al Klein
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:32 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:13:55 -0700, DevilsPGD <spamsucks@crazyhat.net>
said in alt.comp.freeware:
| Quote: | In message <p84nm1pobna4u676bgsljo36i3qs7p9nc1@4ax.com> Al Klein
rukbat@optonline.net> wrote:
Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
And while I wouldn't advice purchasing ANYTHING from Sony right now,
finding an old Sony discman would seem to be the best choice.
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That's the "crippled $29 piece of junk" I was thinking of. :)
| Quote: | It's only appropriate to use a company's own products to circumvent
their own stupidity.
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Poetic justice. |
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Al Klein
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:21:26 -0500, Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com>
said in alt.comp.freeware:
| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:51:05 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@optonline.net
wrote:
Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.
That won't wash - the CD presents an EULA before installing the
software, and won't install the software if you don't agree to the EULA.
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"Install" on an old Sony Walkman? It barely had enough smarts to
*play* a CD. |
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DevilsPGD
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:55 am Post subject:
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In message <5pjqm1t7sc5h9jrk1a0nb9uhj3c4n1dujh@4ax.com> Al Klein
<rukbat@optonline.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Install" on an old Sony Walkman? It barely had enough smarts to
*play* a CD.
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I don't believe a Sony Walkman will play a CD at all. A Sony discman
and you might be talking.
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