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Mendel Leisk
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:
| Quote: | Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:
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I expect that I will use the "DiMAGE Scan Utility".
Does the software do a real raw scan out of the box or should
I turn off some features?
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The 16 bit linear ignores features you may have turned on. As you saw,
images are not inverted, for one. And the gamma has not been raised. I
think you're ok. Maybe turn off color management option, just to be
sure.
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I assume that things like ICE should be done at scan time
as it uses a separate light source (does it?). Same for multiple
pass scans (should I bother with my family/holiday pics?).
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ICE can only be done at time of scan. I don't know if I would bother
with multi-pass with the Elite 5400. I found the difference very
slight. Just very slightly cleaner shadows.
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Thanks you everyone, I understand that the consensus is that the
KM software will generate proper raw scans. My question was about
specifics, based on people who know the facts:
1) Which options should be selected/deselected to ensure a raw scan?
2) It was said to select "16-bit linear" and this I can see keeps
negatives as is, while "16-bit" saves them as positives. Is there
a loss in using 16-bits (not linear)?
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If you use 16 bit instead of 16 bit linear, I do think Minolta is doing
histogram tweaking. And with linear, the scan is gamma 1.0, I think.
And this what you-know-what program is expecting for it's
can't-be-named workflow.
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3) Does ICE use special lighting, and as such cannot be performed
later? I know that I can apply other software based clean-up
solutions but I want to get the benefit of the IR scan if it
exists.
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ICE is time of scan only. I do a little post scan clean-up of my 16 bit
linears in Photoshop, prior to can't-be-named. PS proof setup helps in
this regard, just set it to default to the Scan-Elite posi linear
profile, with no files open. Then you can toggle this brightness aid on
and off with "ctrl y" key combo.
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4) Are any of the other KM enhancements special and worth applying
at scan time? I would rather delay any process that can be
delayed.
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Manual focus. Coupled with the right slide mount, you can get close to
complete corner to corner focus, but this an elusive goal.
All of this assumes you're scanning slides. Are you??
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Eyal Lebedinsky
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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Mendel Leisk wrote:
| Quote: | Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:
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4) Are any of the other KM enhancements special and worth applying
at scan time? I would rather delay any process that can be
delayed.
Manual focus. Coupled with the right slide mount, you can get close to
complete corner to corner focus, but this an elusive goal.
All of this assumes you're scanning slides. Are you??
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Both slides and negs. |
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Don
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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On 4 Nov 2005 12:27:00 -0800, "Mendel Leisk"
<mendel_leisknospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm not quite sure what you mean, Mendel. The "DiMAGE Scan Utility" is
used to produce the raw file, right?
At this point there are two options:
1. Use Vuescan to edit this file (the misnamed "scan-from-disk")
You're not editing the file. You're sourcing from it and outputting a
new file. The source file is intact, no change.
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That is an edit! The fact that the source file hasn't changed is not
the point. (Please see below first for explanation.)
| Quote: | 2. Use any external editor to edit this file.
Also, what do you mean by working on a "copy"?
Same as above.
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OK, I think I understand now what you mean.
What I was talking about is the result and then the fact that the
source hasn't changed is not the issue. It would be like saying "the
film in the scanner doesn't change".
Now, the OP may have specifically asked about "scan-from-disk" and if
the file changes, so your answer may have been correct, strictly
speaking, in relation to that question but I wasn't addressing that.
My side-note was that it's very important to explain to the OP that
the misleadingly misnamed "scan-from-disk" has absolutely nothing to
do with scanning and is nothing special. It's simply inferior image
editing using Vuescan as an editor. Far superior results can be
obtained by using a proper editor. Especially, if he goes through the
trouble of getting raw data out.
In other words, strictly speaking your answer may have been correct,
but my point was that his questions was wrong! ;o)
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Mendel Leisk
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:27 am Post subject:
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Don wrote:
| Quote: | On 4 Nov 2005 12:27:00 -0800, "Mendel Leisk"
mendel_leisknospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm not quite sure what you mean, Mendel. The "DiMAGE Scan Utility" is
used to produce the raw file, right?
At this point there are two options:
1. Use Vuescan to edit this file (the misnamed "scan-from-disk")
You're not editing the file. You're sourcing from it and outputting a
new file. The source file is intact, no change.
That is an edit! The fact that the source file hasn't changed is not
the point. (Please see below first for explanation.)
2. Use any external editor to edit this file.
Also, what do you mean by working on a "copy"?
Same as above.
OK, I think I understand now what you mean.
What I was talking about is the result and then the fact that the
source hasn't changed is not the issue. It would be like saying "the
film in the scanner doesn't change".
Now, the OP may have specifically asked about "scan-from-disk" and if
the file changes, so your answer may have been correct, strictly
speaking, in relation to that question but I wasn't addressing that.
My side-note was that it's very important to explain to the OP that
the misleadingly misnamed "scan-from-disk" has absolutely nothing to
do with scanning and is nothing special. It's simply inferior image
editing using Vuescan as an editor. Far superior results can be
obtained by using a proper editor. Especially, if he goes through the
trouble of getting raw data out.
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The option to go thru another editor is still available. I know what
you're saying. So you have your intact raw file. Sometime in the
future, the option to work it in photoshop is still there. Again, I'd
only save as a copy. My PS smarts are next to nil, so this is good
strategy for me, for the interm, or any other duffer, I think.
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In other words, strictly speaking your answer may have been correct,
but my point was that his questions was wrong! ;o)
Don. |
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Don
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:26 pm Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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On 5 Nov 2005 16:27:02 -0800, "Mendel Leisk"
<mendel_leisknospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | My side-note was that it's very important to explain to the OP that
the misleadingly misnamed "scan-from-disk" has absolutely nothing to
do with scanning and is nothing special. It's simply inferior image
editing using Vuescan as an editor. Far superior results can be
obtained by using a proper editor. Especially, if he goes through the
trouble of getting raw data out.
The option to go thru another editor is still available. I know what
you're saying. So you have your intact raw file. Sometime in the
future, the option to work it in photoshop is still there. Again, I'd
only save as a copy. My PS smarts are next to nil, so this is good
strategy for me, for the interm, or any other duffer, I think.
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Although it may look scary at first, PS is not really that difficult.
Especially since there are a number of automatic modes. Not only in
tools but there is a way of PS fixing the image for you and presenting
you with several versions. You then pick the one which looks the best
and the process repeats - you get another bunch of images to evaluate.
It's very quick and painless. After only a few iterations you can
arrive at pretty good results.
And then slowly as you use it you start to pick up things. Like many
others I now look at my first edits and recoil. Which means at some
time in the future I'll probably do the same about my current
edits!;o)
Of course, PS is not free, but I'd say if one has lots of images to do
then an external editor of any kind is really a good investment, not
only in terms of cash but also in terms of improved results.
Don. |
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