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Eyal Lebedinsky
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:05 pm Post subject:
KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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I want to use the scanner with the accompanying software
and get raw scans. My plan is to process the images later,
maybe again in the future, and have access to the digitised
images (slides and negs).
I expect that I will use the "DiMAGE Scan Utility".
Does the software do a real raw scan out of the box or should
I turn off some features?
I assume that things like ICE should be done at scan time
as it uses a separate light source (does it?). Same for multiple
pass scans (should I bother with my family/holiday pics?).
Can I use the software to process an image I saved earlier? I
could not find the option for opening a disk file.
TIA |
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Mendel Leisk
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:
| Quote: | I want to use the scanner with the accompanying software
and get raw scans. My plan is to process the images later,
maybe again in the future, and have access to the digitised
images (slides and negs).
I expect that I will use the "DiMAGE Scan Utility".
Does the software do a real raw scan out of the box or should
I turn off some features?
I assume that things like ICE should be done at scan time
as it uses a separate light source (does it?). Same for multiple
pass scans (should I bother with my family/holiday pics?).
Can I use the software to process an image I saved earlier? I
could not find the option for opening a disk file.
TIA
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If it is similare software to 5400 mkI, you cannot scan-from-disk.
However, to get a "raw" file, try outputting "16 bit linear", assuming
that is still available with your version of software. |
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Mendel Leisk
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:10 am Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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Mendel Leisk wrote:
| Quote: | Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:
I want to use the scanner with the accompanying software
and get raw scans. My plan is to process the images later,
maybe again in the future, and have access to the digitised
images (slides and negs).
I expect that I will use the "DiMAGE Scan Utility".
Does the software do a real raw scan out of the box or should
I turn off some features?
I assume that things like ICE should be done at scan time
as it uses a separate light source (does it?). Same for multiple
pass scans (should I bother with my family/holiday pics?).
Can I use the software to process an image I saved earlier? I
could not find the option for opening a disk file.
TIA
If it is similare software to 5400 mkI, you cannot scan-from-disk.
However, to get a "raw" file, try outputting "16 bit linear", assuming
that is still available with your version of software.
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And then take over with Vuescan Scan-From-Disk |
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Don
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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On 1 Nov 2005 12:10:59 -0800, "Mendel Leisk"
<mendel_leisknospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If it is similare software to 5400 mkI, you cannot scan-from-disk.
However, to get a "raw" file, try outputting "16 bit linear", assuming
that is still available with your version of software.
And then take over with Vuescan Scan-From-Disk
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Better still, simply use an(y) external editor.
In other words, why go through all the trouble of getting a raw image
out only to have Vuescan mutilate it?
Don. |
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Mendel Leisk
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:24 pm Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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| Because you'd likely be "mutilating" a copy, not the raw file. |
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Wilfred
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject:
To all Google Groups users here ( a kind request) |
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Mendel Leisk wrote:
| Quote: | Because you'd likely be "mutilating" a copy, not the raw file.
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Mendel (and many others),
It's very difficult to read threads now that Google has made it
difficult for you to include other people's statements to which you
reply. Please consider the instructions given here:
http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/
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Wilfred van der Vegte.
e-mail: first five letters of my first name at gmx dot net |
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Wilfred
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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Don wrote:
| Quote: | On 1 Nov 2005 12:10:59 -0800, "Mendel Leisk"
mendel_leisknospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
If it is similare software to 5400 mkI, you cannot scan-from-disk.
However, to get a "raw" file, try outputting "16 bit linear", assuming
that is still available with your version of software.
And then take over with Vuescan Scan-From-Disk
Better still, simply use an(y) external editor.
In other words, why go through all the trouble of getting a raw image
out only to have Vuescan mutilate it?
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I think I'm with you here, Don. Unless you created a dedicated IT8
profile for 'raw' scans (which can be useful with slides), the only
thing VueScan does in postprocessing is applying black point, white
point and gamma settings. Of course you can apply its non-IR based dust
and scratches removal or its sharpening filter but there's nothing you
can't do better in, for instance, Photoshop.
If you insist on letting 'automated' algorithms do most of the work, you
could consider the PS workflow described by Bruce Fraser here:
http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/17164-1.html
I never tried it with 'raw' scans but I think it should work.
--
Wilfred van der Vegte.
e-mail: first five letters of my first name at gmx dot net |
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Wilfred
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: To all Google Groups users here ( a kind request) |
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Mendel Leisk wrote:
| Quote: | It's very difficult to read threads now that Google has made it
difficult for you to include other people's statements to which you
reply. Please consider the instructions given here:
http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/
--
Wilfred van der Vegte.
Like this?
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Something like this, yes. It would be even better if you could include
the author(s) of the quoted text but I don't know if Google allows for that.
A good alternative would be to use a dedicated newsgroup reader or a
combined e-mail & newsgroup client. IMO Mozilla Thunderbird is excellent
for text-only groups like this and it's free. Outlook express can do it
too, I think. You'll need access to an NNTP server, though.
--
Wilfred van der Vegte.
e-mail: first five letters of my first name at gmx dot net |
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Mendel Leisk
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: To all Google Groups users here ( a kind request) |
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It's very difficult to read threads now that Google has made it
difficult for you to include other people's statements to which you
reply. Please consider the instructions given here:
http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/
--
Wilfred van der Vegte.
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Don
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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On 2 Nov 2005 07:24:02 -0800, "Mendel Leisk"
<mendel_leisknospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If it is similare software to 5400 mkI, you cannot scan-from-disk.
However, to get a "raw" file, try outputting "16 bit linear", assuming
that is still available with your version of software.
And then take over with Vuescan Scan-From-Disk
Better still, simply use an(y) external editor.
In other words, why go through all the trouble of getting a raw image
out only to have Vuescan mutilate it?
Because you'd likely be "mutilating" a copy, not the raw file.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean, Mendel. The "DiMAGE Scan Utility" is
used to produce the raw file, right?
At this point there are two options:
1. Use Vuescan to edit this file (the misnamed "scan-from-disk")
2. Use any external editor to edit this file.
Also, what do you mean by working on a "copy"?
Don. |
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Don
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:45:36 +0100, Wilfred <invalid@vandervegte.com>
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| Quote: | In other words, why go through all the trouble of getting a raw image
out only to have Vuescan mutilate it?
I think I'm with you here, Don. Unless you created a dedicated IT8
profile for 'raw' scans (which can be useful with slides), the only
thing VueScan does in postprocessing is applying black point, white
point and gamma settings. Of course you can apply its non-IR based dust
and scratches removal or its sharpening filter but there's nothing you
can't do better in, for instance, Photoshop.
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Yes, that's my point exactly! And you have all the extra tools in
Photoshop not available in Vuescan to analyze the image, etc. In
theory, one could even apply various profiles from Photoshop.
Now, some people may have Vuescan set up to perform certain
corrections "automatically" but, again, all of that can be done in
Photoshop much more accurately and more reliably using Actions, for
example.
I'll check when I go online to send this but I think you're right,
there's nothing really special about a raw file. It's just another
image.
Don. |
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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Don wrote:
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On 2 Nov 2005 07:24:02 -0800, "Mendel Leisk"
mendel_leisknospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
If it is similare software to 5400 mkI, you cannot scan-from-disk.
However, to get a "raw" file, try outputting "16 bit linear", assuming
that is still available with your version of software.
And then take over with Vuescan Scan-From-Disk
Better still, simply use an(y) external editor.
In other words, why go through all the trouble of getting a raw image
out only to have Vuescan mutilate it?
Because you'd likely be "mutilating" a copy, not the raw file.
I'm not quite sure what you mean, Mendel. The "DiMAGE Scan Utility" is
used to produce the raw file, right?
At this point there are two options:
1. Use Vuescan to edit this file (the misnamed "scan-from-disk")
2. Use any external editor to edit this file.
Also, what do you mean by working on a "copy"?
Don.
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Don is right on. Raw scans from Minolta's native sw is simple and
straight forward. Editing and preserving a raw file in PS can be done by
either editing a copy, or by using adjustment layers.
Mandel had brought up Vuescan's "scan-from-disk" numerous times here.
Each time someone had pointed out there is nothing special about this.
Time for him to stop doing it, or clarify what is the big deal with
"scan-from-disk". |
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Mendel Leisk
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:27 am Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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Don wrote:
| Quote: | On 2 Nov 2005 07:24:02 -0800, "Mendel Leisk"
mendel_leisknospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
If it is similare software to 5400 mkI, you cannot scan-from-disk.
However, to get a "raw" file, try outputting "16 bit linear", assuming
that is still available with your version of software.
And then take over with Vuescan Scan-From-Disk
Better still, simply use an(y) external editor.
In other words, why go through all the trouble of getting a raw image
out only to have Vuescan mutilate it?
Because you'd likely be "mutilating" a copy, not the raw file.
I'm not quite sure what you mean, Mendel. The "DiMAGE Scan Utility" is
used to produce the raw file, right?
At this point there are two options:
1. Use Vuescan to edit this file (the misnamed "scan-from-disk")
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You're not editing the file. You're sourcing from it and outputting a
new file. The source file is intact, no change.
| Quote: | 2. Use any external editor to edit this file.
Also, what do you mean by working on a "copy"?
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Same as above.
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Mendel Leisk
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:08 am Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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JFV4492@att.net wrote:
| Quote: | Don wrote:
On 2 Nov 2005 07:24:02 -0800, "Mendel Leisk"
mendel_leisknospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
If it is similare software to 5400 mkI, you cannot scan-from-disk.
However, to get a "raw" file, try outputting "16 bit linear", assuming
that is still available with your version of software.
And then take over with Vuescan Scan-From-Disk
Better still, simply use an(y) external editor.
In other words, why go through all the trouble of getting a raw image
out only to have Vuescan mutilate it?
Because you'd likely be "mutilating" a copy, not the raw file.
I'm not quite sure what you mean, Mendel. The "DiMAGE Scan Utility" is
used to produce the raw file, right?
At this point there are two options:
1. Use Vuescan to edit this file (the misnamed "scan-from-disk")
2. Use any external editor to edit this file.
Also, what do you mean by working on a "copy"?
Don.
Don is right on. Raw scans from Minolta's native sw is simple and
straight forward. Editing and preserving a raw file in PS can be done by
either editing a copy, or by using adjustment layers.
Mandel had brought up Vuescan's "scan-from-disk" numerous times here.
Each time someone had pointed out there is nothing special about this.
Time for him to stop doing it, or clarify what is the big deal with
"scan-from-disk".
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The original poster asked if it was possible to scan-from-disk with
Minolta Scan Utility, did he not? I made a suggestion, the best I could
think of, on-topic: a work-around.
Now you come by, then turn around and start outlining my faults as you
see them, to the assembly. Discussing me in 3rd party. Didn't anyone
ever tell you that's rude? |
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Eyal Lebedinsky
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:01 am Post subject:
Re: KM DSE 5400 II: how to set the KM software for raw scan? |
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Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:
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| Quote: | I expect that I will use the "DiMAGE Scan Utility".
Does the software do a real raw scan out of the box or should
I turn off some features?
I assume that things like ICE should be done at scan time
as it uses a separate light source (does it?). Same for multiple
pass scans (should I bother with my family/holiday pics?).
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Thanks you everyone, I understand that the consensus is that the
KM software will generate proper raw scans. My question was about
specifics, based on people who know the facts:
1) Which options should be selected/deselected to ensure a raw scan?
2) It was said to select "16-bit linear" and this I can see keeps
negatives as is, while "16-bit" saves them as positives. Is there
a loss in using 16-bits (not linear)?
3) Does ICE use special lighting, and as such cannot be performed
later? I know that I can apply other software based clean-up
solutions but I want to get the benefit of the IR scan if it
exists.
4) Are any of the other KM enhancements special and worth applying
at scan time? I would rather delay any process that can be
delayed.
TIA |
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