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geezer
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:29 pm Post subject:
Question about DSL |
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I am using cable, and so do not know much about DSL. But I have a
friend (who lives 100 miles away) that just subscribed to DSL
(Verizon), and he wonders if he can really do what he wants to do.
He has three machines, co-located in one house. Each machine will
have what he says is a DSL modem, each of which apparently will have
its own serial number which he says he can register with Verizon.
He wants to connect each machine to a hub (USB I think), thence to the
outside world. He then wants to move two of the machines to two of
his other homes (God he is rich!), and use those machines there. Can
he do this? What problems will he have?
Thanks
Geezer |
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Jan Alter
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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I don't know if things have changed since I signed up with Verizon, but they
sent me an external DSL modem along with filters that connect to the wall
connection before connecting telephones. If one obtains a router and plugs
the modem into it one can connect 3 or four more computers and also get the
DSL. Additionally, if one were to purchase a wireless router then one could
pick up the DSL throughout the house. If your friend's homes are within
close proximity to the first house; maybe 100 feet then he could possibly
have them achieving DSL through that one account, but most probably those
homes are a lot farther away and your rich friend will most likely have to
spring for two more additional DSL accounts and two additional dsl modems.
--
Jan Alter
bearpuf@verizon.net
or
jalter@phila.k12.pa.us
"geezer" <wee@willy.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am using cable, and so do not know much about DSL. But I have a
friend (who lives 100 miles away) that just subscribed to DSL
(Verizon), and he wonders if he can really do what he wants to do.
He has three machines, co-located in one house. Each machine will
have what he says is a DSL modem, each of which apparently will have
its own serial number which he says he can register with Verizon.
He wants to connect each machine to a hub (USB I think), thence to the
outside world. He then wants to move two of the machines to two of
his other homes (God he is rich!), and use those machines there. Can
he do this? What problems will he have?
Thanks
Geezer |
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geezer
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject:
Re: Re: Question about DSL |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:32:08 GMT, "Jan Alter" <bearpuf@verizon.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | I don't know if things have changed since I signed up with Verizon, but they
sent me an external DSL modem along with filters that connect to the wall
connection before connecting telephones. If one obtains a router and plugs
the modem into it one can connect 3 or four more computers and also get the
DSL. Additionally, if one were to purchase a wireless router then one could
pick up the DSL throughout the house. If your friend's homes are within
close proximity to the first house; maybe 100 feet then he could possibly
have them achieving DSL through that one account, but most probably those
homes are a lot farther away and your rich friend will most likely have to
spring for two more additional DSL accounts and two additional dsl modems.
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Makes sense to me!
Thanks
I passed your post along to Daddy Warbucks
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Oralist
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Re: Question about DSL |
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Frankly,I'd tell him to go with cable,I have Verizon DSL,and it's far from
perfect.Constant interupts,if the phone rings while I'm downloading,it
screws everthing up.The speed is great one minute,lousy the next.
"geezer" <wee@willy.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:32:08 GMT, "Jan Alter" <bearpuf@verizon.net
wrote:
I don't know if things have changed since I signed up with Verizon, but
they
sent me an external DSL modem along with filters that connect to the wall
connection before connecting telephones. If one obtains a router and
plugs
the modem into it one can connect 3 or four more computers and also get
the
DSL. Additionally, if one were to purchase a wireless router then one
could
pick up the DSL throughout the house. If your friend's homes are within
close proximity to the first house; maybe 100 feet then he could possibly
have them achieving DSL through that one account, but most probably those
homes are a lot farther away and your rich friend will most likely have
to
spring for two more additional DSL accounts and two additional dsl
modems.
Makes sense to me!
Thanks
I passed your post along to Daddy Warbucks
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Kurt
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:55 am Post subject:
Re: Re: Question about DSL |
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It all depends on where you live. DSL here (Qwest, not Verizon) gets 300 -
400K downloads from Symantec on a 5Mb connection ($79.95). 1 Meg is $21.95.
Both are less than the full pipe, but compare favorably to cable. Cable is
cheaper if you understand that "up to 5 Mbps" also means "down to 20 or
30KB" (less than 256K) during peak times, and far slower upload speeds.
....kurt
"Oralist" <nospam@msn.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Frankly,I'd tell him to go with cable,I have Verizon DSL,and it's far from
perfect.Constant interupts,if the phone rings while I'm downloading,it
screws everthing up.The speed is great one minute,lousy the next.
"geezer" <wee@willy.com> wrote in message
news:dkr6m19vtht2fqssg2ei3l28411jgsveo4@4ax.com...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:32:08 GMT, "Jan Alter" <bearpuf@verizon.net
wrote:
I don't know if things have changed since I signed up with Verizon, but
they
sent me an external DSL modem along with filters that connect to the
wall
connection before connecting telephones. If one obtains a router and
plugs
the modem into it one can connect 3 or four more computers and also get
the
DSL. Additionally, if one were to purchase a wireless router then one
could
pick up the DSL throughout the house. If your friend's homes are within
close proximity to the first house; maybe 100 feet then he could
possibly
have them achieving DSL through that one account, but most probably
those
homes are a lot farther away and your rich friend will most likely have
to
spring for two more additional DSL accounts and two additional dsl
modems.
Makes sense to me!
Thanks
I passed your post along to Daddy Warbucks
Geezer
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Bob
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:27 am Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:55:42 -0700, "Kurt"
<lorentzenkurt@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It all depends on where you live. DSL here (Qwest, not Verizon) gets 300 -
400K downloads from Symantec on a 5Mb connection ($79.95). 1 Meg is $21.95.
Both are less than the full pipe, but compare favorably to cable. Cable is
cheaper if you understand that "up to 5 Mbps" also means "down to 20 or
30KB" (less than 256K) during peak times, and far slower upload speeds.
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Bullshit.
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If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you
set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
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kony
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:45 am Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:55:42 -0700, "Kurt"
<lorentzenkurt@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It all depends on where you live. DSL here (Qwest, not Verizon) gets 300 -
400K downloads from Symantec on a 5Mb connection ($79.95). 1 Meg is $21.95.
Both are less than the full pipe, but compare favorably to cable. Cable is
cheaper if you understand that "up to 5 Mbps" also means "down to 20 or
30KB" (less than 256K) during peak times, and far slower upload speeds.
...kurt
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That's not comparing favorably to cable, cable can easily
exceed 700K down on a basic lowest-cost plan. HOWEVER, DSL
often has a higher upload cap which can be very important to
some users (but is also more often limited in a tiered
pricing plan for ADSL).
Cable is never even close to as low as 20 or 30K, that is
not a matter of load but would be a malfunction or an
unscrupulous company overextending their network
capabilities. In other words it is not at all likely to
ever be that low. Not even likely to be 100K or less. |
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Kurt
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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I was talking about where I live. I'm sure cable is perfect where you are.
But I just did a speed test (at y boss's house) and downloaded at 30KB.
You're entitled to your opinion and to be as rude as you see fit.
....kurt
"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:55:42 -0700, "Kurt"
lorentzenkurt@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
It all depends on where you live. DSL here (Qwest, not Verizon) gets 300 -
400K downloads from Symantec on a 5Mb connection ($79.95). 1 Meg is
$21.95.
Both are less than the full pipe, but compare favorably to cable. Cable is
cheaper if you understand that "up to 5 Mbps" also means "down to 20 or
30KB" (less than 256K) during peak times, and far slower upload speeds.
Bullshit.
--
If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you
set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
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kony
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:36:38 -0700, "Kurt"
<lorentzenkurt@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I was talking about where I live. I'm sure cable is perfect where you are.
But I just did a speed test (at y boss's house) and downloaded at 30KB.
You're entitled to your opinion and to be as rude as you see fit.
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Momentary download speeds are not necessarily a reliable
indication of speed at the receiver's end. Better to use a
'site set up to do the test, actually not one but from
several locations like those listed at
http://www.dslreports.com/stest |
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Bob
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:36:38 -0700, "Kurt"
<lorentzenkurt@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I was talking about where I live. I'm sure cable is perfect where you are.
But I just did a speed test (at y boss's house) and downloaded at 30KB.
You're entitled to your opinion and to be as rude as you see fit.
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Quit top posting - and quit bullshitting people.
There is no way a cable connection is going to test at 30KB/sec. I can
get faster transmission from 2 tins cans and a long string. <g>
The only speed test that is valid is the one that is between your
computer and a network computer at the cable company. If you attempt
to perform a test that traverses the Internet, it is not a valid test
of the speed of the ISP connection.
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If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you
set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
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Bob
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:36:53 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Momentary download speeds are not necessarily a reliable
indication of speed at the receiver's end. Better to use a
'site set up to do the test, actually not one but from
several locations like those listed at
http://www.dslreports.com/stest
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Those tests require traversing the Internet and therefore do not
provide meaningful results of the speed of the ISP connection.
If you want to report the speed of Internet connections, then it is
not appropriate to reference the ISP connection as long as it is
substantially faster than the Internet in general.
My cable connection in Houston is with Warner Cable and Road Runner. I
live not too far from the main HQ for Warner. When I run a speed test
I use the one provided by RR that connects from my computer to a
network computer at RR. I am getting around 5,000 kilobits/second.
There is no way I am getting that if I traverse the Internet in
general.
--
If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you
set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
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Bob
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:45:29 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It all depends on where you live. DSL here (Qwest, not Verizon) gets 300 -
400K downloads from Symantec on a 5Mb connection ($79.95). 1 Meg is $21.95.
Both are less than the full pipe, but compare favorably to cable. Cable is
cheaper if you understand that "up to 5 Mbps" also means "down to 20 or
30KB" (less than 256K) during peak times, and far slower upload speeds.
That's not comparing favorably to cable, cable can easily
exceed 700K down on a basic lowest-cost plan. HOWEVER, DSL
often has a higher upload cap which can be very important to
some users (but is also more often limited in a tiered
pricing plan for ADSL).
Cable is never even close to as low as 20 or 30K, that is
not a matter of load but would be a malfunction or an
unscrupulous company overextending their network
capabilities. In other words it is not at all likely to
ever be that low. Not even likely to be 100K or less.
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The reason for the poor readings is his test traverses the Internet,
where slow speeds are typical.
--
If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you
set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
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kony
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:56:18 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:36:53 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
Momentary download speeds are not necessarily a reliable
indication of speed at the receiver's end. Better to use a
'site set up to do the test, actually not one but from
several locations like those listed at
http://www.dslreports.com/stest
Those tests require traversing the Internet and therefore do not
provide meaningful results of the speed of the ISP connection.
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They are still meaningful, because there is a database and
one can compare their results to those attained by others.
Further, those tests are deliberately set up with servers on
fat pipes, meant to not have the bottlenecks.
| Quote: | If you want to report the speed of Internet connections, then it is
not appropriate to reference the ISP connection as long as it is
substantially faster than the Internet in general.
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Usually that's somewhat true, BUT if you are doing a test
where there is no bandwidth limit, it can be useful. One
really need not know their maximum download speed though,
rather, a median value will suffice since there is no need
to know how the system can download from only the ISP if
that box is never downloading from the ISP in regular use.
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My cable connection in Houston is with Warner Cable and Road Runner. I
live not too far from the main HQ for Warner. When I run a speed test
I use the one provided by RR that connects from my computer to a
network computer at RR. I am getting around 5,000 kilobits/second.
There is no way I am getting that if I traverse the Internet in
general.
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If that was an accurate test, not deliberately (or not)
skewed by using text that can be compressed for example, you
should approach that same speed in a test with one of the
choices in the link I provided. I have seen them provide at
rates higher than the 5000Kbps you mentioned. |
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kony
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:57:34 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
| Quote: | The reason for the poor readings is his test traverses the Internet,
where slow speeds are typical.
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Maybe, or just the particular server connected to was the
limit. I've never seen any cable internet connection that
was working properly and was at 20-30K. The internet may
be congested but generally not THAT congested. |
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Bennett Price
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:29 am Post subject:
Re: Question about DSL |
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To use 3 computers in one house, he won't need 3 DSL (or cable)
accounts. Just a modem and router (wired and/or wireless)to which all 3
machines are connected. To use computers in 3 different homes, each
home will need its own DSL (or cable) connection (unless they are in
shouting distance of one another in which case a wireless card in the
computers can talk to one wireless hub.
geezer wrote:
| Quote: | I am using cable, and so do not know much about DSL. But I have a
friend (who lives 100 miles away) that just subscribed to DSL
(Verizon), and he wonders if he can really do what he wants to do.
He has three machines, co-located in one house. Each machine will
have what he says is a DSL modem, each of which apparently will have
its own serial number which he says he can register with Verizon.
He wants to connect each machine to a hub (USB I think), thence to the
outside world. He then wants to move two of the machines to two of
his other homes (God he is rich!), and use those machines there. Can
he do this? What problems will he have?
Thanks
Geezer |
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