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zakezuke
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:21 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Measkite said: The same old shinola
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Print-rite has been around for 20 years. I first bought from them when
I needed ribbons for my dot matrix printer. They were cheaper and the
ink was darker than what I presumed was the OEM product. Now that I
think about it, I can't remember if it was Prite-rite or Pelican that
Office Depot carried but needless to say they have been offering retail
products for long enough for them to be called a brand.
Pelikan is also a name brand... they still make pens. Unless a $150
pen is a generic one in Measkite land. Hell for their ink cartridges
they even licended some stuff from Disney. "1 free cd-rom "Printstudio
of the Incredibles"
http://www.pelikanhardcopy.com/Disney_Promotion.1225.0.html
They are a name brand, not a generic... not even in Measkite land.
They also are a big paper company... those other guys out of
Switzerland that are not ilford.
I'm not saying their product is good or bad, only that they exist, they
are a name brand and product pre-filled cartridges for printers. They
come in a retail box and have a spiffy logo on the cartridges... as you
no doubt know as you linked to them 7 times. They meet all your
requirements for a name brand product.
These are not odd ball products for hackers but rather consumer
oriented goods, and with all due respect you are the only one that has
huge issues with them. There are others who will share their experence
whether good or bad but you are totally obsessed, obsessed with a
product you have NO experence with what so ever.
All your requirements have been met, the game is over. You will rant
and rave like a lunitic trying someway to redeem some credibility but
alas you don't have any.. because you lied. That is the only
explanation... there is no one on this earth who can be as stupid as
you pretend to be. Your inane requirements have been met 100%, you can
pretend you can't see that all you want but anyone with a brain can
see, and I mean this with the greatest respect, you are totally full of
shinola. |
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George E. Cawthon
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | I probably even have a bottle around that was bought
back in the late 50's or early 60's. Everybody
bought Pelikan for drawing.
Actually I bought Sheaffer... it not being an import IIRC it was a
good deal cheaper. Come to think about it I refilled those cartridges
with india ink and never had an issue with nib clogging.
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Uh Oh, Sheaffer isn't a brand, is it? ;) Still
have a couple of Sheaffer pens, I think. I bought
Sheaffer ink for fountain pens in the late 40's.
The Pelikan ink I bought later was always India
ink for drawing.
Clogging was the least of anyone's worries, they
did dribble at times tho. I think the rubber
bladders deteriorated rather rapidly. Kind of
strange cause I still have good rubber bands from
the 40's whereas the modern ones seem to
deteriorate rapidly, seldom ever last longer than
1 year even without tension, in the dark, and in
the cool. |
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zakezuke
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Measekite would have been going ballistic over the
thought of anyone not using new branded Sheaffer cartridges every time one
ran out. Think of the uproar he would have caused if someone used Parker ink
in a Shaeffer pen.
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Or worse yet, some compatable fountain cartridges with only a house
brand. Who knows what they put in there... for all you know office
depot is running kerosene lamps to make lampblack and mixing up the
stuff in their bath tub. Gotta use OEM lampblack if you don't want
your nibs to clog. |
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drc023
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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I've still got a couple of bottles of Sheaffer ink that I bought in the late
80's. Besides using it to refill the plastic tube cartridges in my Sheaffer
ink pens - I also used it to refill the ink cartridge in my HP DeskJet 500.
Worked fine and never had to buy a second cartridge. FWIW, I was refilling
Shaeffer ink pen cartridges while I was in high school in the 60's. Just
think if Al Gore had invented the internet back then and we had a forum
about refilling ink pens, Measekite would have been going ballistic over the
thought of anyone not using new branded Sheaffer cartridges every time one
ran out. Think of the uproar he would have caused if someone used Parker ink
in a Shaeffer pen.
--
Ron
"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131165370.314561.298670@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | I probably even have a bottle around that was bought
back in the late 50's or early 60's. Everybody
bought Pelikan for drawing.
Actually I bought Sheaffer... it not being an import IIRC it was a
good deal cheaper. Come to think about it I refilled those cartridges
with india ink and never had an issue with nib clogging.
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zakezuke
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | I probably even have a bottle around that was bought
back in the late 50's or early 60's. Everybody
bought Pelikan for drawing.
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Actually I bought Sheaffer... it not being an import IIRC it was a
good deal cheaper. Come to think about it I refilled those cartridges
with india ink and never had an issue with nib clogging. |
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George E. Cawthon
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | Measkite wrote: A bunch of inane crap
Pelikan is a store brand? These guys who for decades have been selling
premium pens? $200 pens, $100 pens, $50 pens, $20 pens? You think
this Swiss company is just a store brand? No one can be *this*
stupid... I understand you don't know shit from shinola but there is no
way anyone can not understand that Pelikan is as big as Fisher and
Sheaffer for pens. And like many other companies... as their business
is ink it's only natural to move to inkjets. Pelikan has been around
for 76 years.... and you are calling them a store brand? You must
enjoy pretending to be stupid cause no one in their right mind could
believe that Pelikan isn't a brand.
The quality of the ink is not the purpose of this dialog. It has been
proven without a a doubt to anyone with two working neurons that brands
of 3rd party ink exist, even ones that meet all three of your
requirements.
I understand your feelings are hurt and you feel the need to lash out.
Perhaps you can take the time to reflect upon this experence and learn
how to be a better man. It's OK to be dead wrong because when you are
wrong you learn to be right in the future.
I gotta say what some other say. You give a lot |
of good information and sites to visit. But I
don't understand why you talk to M. It dilutes
your influence.
Anybody that doesn't know about Pelikan as a
brand of ink has got to be asleep at the wheel. I
remember Pelikan from when I was in highschool. I
probably even have a bottle around that was bought
back in the late 50's or early 60's. Everybody
bought Pelikan for drawing. |
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zakezuke
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Test's on 3rd Party Inks |
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| Quote: | Measkite wrote: A bunch of inane crap
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Pelikan is a store brand? These guys who for decades have been selling
premium pens? $200 pens, $100 pens, $50 pens, $20 pens? You think
this Swiss company is just a store brand? No one can be *this*
stupid... I understand you don't know shit from shinola but there is no
way anyone can not understand that Pelikan is as big as Fisher and
Sheaffer for pens. And like many other companies... as their business
is ink it's only natural to move to inkjets. Pelikan has been around
for 76 years.... and you are calling them a store brand? You must
enjoy pretending to be stupid cause no one in their right mind could
believe that Pelikan isn't a brand.
The quality of the ink is not the purpose of this dialog. It has been
proven without a a doubt to anyone with two working neurons that brands
of 3rd party ink exist, even ones that meet all three of your
requirements.
I understand your feelings are hurt and you feel the need to lash out.
Perhaps you can take the time to reflect upon this experence and learn
how to be a better man. It's OK to be dead wrong because when you are
wrong you learn to be right in the future. |
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measekite
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Test's on 3rd Party Inks |
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | Measkite said: The same old shinola
IT CERTAINLY IS THE SAME OLD SHIT |
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Print-rite has been around for 20 years.
I GUESS THEY FOOL MANY IDIOTS |
| Quote: | I first bought from them when
I needed ribbons for my dot matrix printer. They were
cheaper
OF COURSE |
| Quote: | and the
ink was darker than what I presumed was the OEM product. Now that I
think about it, I can't remember if it was Prite-rite or Pelican that
Office Depot carried but needless to say they have been offering retail
products for long enough for them to be called a brand.
THE QUALITY IS CRAP. I EVEN BOUGHTG AN ADDING MACHINE RIBBON FOR MY |
ADDING MACHINE AND IT IS TOTAL TRASH
| Quote: | Pelikan is also a name brand...
IT IS NOT A BRAND |
| Quote: | they still make pens. Unless a $150
pen is a generic one in Measkite land. Hell for their ink cartridges
they even licended some stuff from Disney. "1 free cd-rom "Printstudio
of the Incredibles"
http://www.pelikanhardcopy.com/Disney_Promotion.1225.0.html
They are a name brand, not a generic...
THEY ARE A GENERIC AND NOT A BRAND |
| Quote: | not even in Measkite land.
They also are a big paper company... those other guys out of
Switzerland that are not ilford.
I'm not saying their product is good or bad,
WHO CARES CAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS AND COULD BE CHANGING EVERY MONTH |
| Quote: | only that they exist, they
are a
STORE LABEL |
| Quote: | name brand and product pre-filled cartridges for printers. They
come in a retail box and have a spiffy logo on the cartridges... as you
no doubt know as you linked to them 7 times. They meet all your
requirements for a name brand product.
THEY DO NOT SAY WHO THE MFG/FORMULATOR IS ON THEIR WEBSITE. ANYBODY GO |
LISTENS TO THIS CRAP AND THEN LOOK ON THE SITE FOR THEMSELVES NEVER
COMES BACK TO THIS NG FOR MORE MISINFORMATION
| Quote: | These are not odd ball products for hackers
THAT IS JUST WHAT THE ARE |
| Quote: | but rather consumer
oriented goods, and with all due respect you are the only one that has
huge issues with them.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THEM OR ANY OF THE WEBSITE LABELERS WHO |
FAIL TO DO BUSINESS THE RIGHT WAY. I JUST BUY WHAT I KNOW.
| Quote: | There are others who will share their experence
whether good or bad
BAD |
| Quote: | but you are totally obsessed, obsessed with a
product you have NO experence with what so ever.
All your requirements have been met, the game is over.
ARE YOU QUITTING |
| Quote: | You will rant
and rave like a lunitic trying someway to redeem some credibility but
alas you don't have any.. because you lied.
FOR SOME IN THIS NG I REALLY DO NOT CARE. |
| Quote: | That is the only
explanation... there is no one on this earth who can be as stupid as
you pretend to be.
HOW ABOUT YOU |
| Quote: | Your inane requirements have been met 100%, you can
pretend you can't see that all you want but anyone with a brain can
see,
YOU CANNOT SEE |
| Quote: | and I mean this with the greatest respect, you are totally full of
shinola.
WHAT IS SHINOLA. I THINK IT IS S SHOE POLISH. ARE YOU SAYING I AM FULL |
OF SHOE POLISH. WELL THEN NOW I CAN SHINE YOU OFF.
GOODIE GOODIE |
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zakezuke
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Test's on 3rd Party Inks |
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Measkite said: Rant deleted per request and he's being redundent
Additional information:
Bob Headrick posted this link a while ago, thought i'd revisited and
quote a segment.
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Anzen: a leading aftermarket ink brand in North America. Key provider
to internet resellers.
- Dataproducts: a leading aftermarket ink brand and private label
provider in North America, Europe and Asia. Also sold under Staples
private label at the time of the study.
- Geha: a leading aftermarket ink brand in Europe.
- KMP: a leading aftermarket ink brand in Europe.
- NCR: a leading aftermarket ink brand and private label provider in
the Americas and Europe. Also sold under the OfficeMax private label
brand.
- Nukote: a leading aftermarket ink brand and private label provider
in the Americas. Also sold under Office Depot and Walmart private
labels. Sold under Pelikan brand in the Americas.
- Turbon: a leading aftermarket ink brand and private label provider
in North America, Europe and Asia. Sold under the Jetfill brand. Also
sold under Quill private label.
----http://www.hp.com/sbso/product/supplies/supplies_reliability_ink.pdf
This is rather why I have a blindspot for Pelikan... seems according to
quality logic NuKote is another brand name for Pelikan.
http://www.nukote.com/about/?WWW_NUKOTE_COM=210bbd9a5e91d793dda40ba353383f6e
" * One of the world's largest independent manufacturers and
distributors of imaging supplies for printing devices.
* A leading supplier to major original equipment manufacturers:
No matter what brand name is on the machine, Nu-kote is the brand
of choice for the supply inside.
* Distribution channel includes office products commercial dealers,
super stores, electronics stores, mass-market retail chains, catalogs,
and electronic commerce "virtual" dealers."
Measkite check list
1. Do they mfg/formulate?
That's what they say.
2. Does it come in a retail box
Sure does
3. Is it sold in retail store
Sure... oh yea under it's own name and the Office Depot private label
according to Quality Logic. Sold at office max under it's own label.
http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?prodBlockOID=537277515&campaign=363BT4HC2V2&cm_cat=Other&cm_pla=Other&cm_ite=Other&cm_ven=Shopping_com&BV_UseBVCookie=no&affCode=PRF&siteID=k2776&mid=
Is it a brand?
There can be no doubt.
Will Measekite rave like a loon finding some explanation why it's not a
brand? There is no doubt.
Does Measekite have cause to feel supremely stupid.
Am I grasping at straws? Nope... meets with Measkete's strict
requirements 100%. QED - thus it is proven. |
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Frank
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject:
Re: Test's on 3rd Party Inks |
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | Measkite said: Rant deleted per request and he's being redundent
Additional information:
Bob Headrick posted this link a while ago, thought i'd revisited and
quote a segment.
-----
Anzen: a leading aftermarket ink brand in North America. Key provider
to internet resellers.
- Dataproducts: a leading aftermarket ink brand and private label
provider in North America, Europe and Asia. Also sold under Staples
private label at the time of the study.
- Geha: a leading aftermarket ink brand in Europe.
- KMP: a leading aftermarket ink brand in Europe.
- NCR: a leading aftermarket ink brand and private label provider in
the Americas and Europe. Also sold under the OfficeMax private label
brand.
- Nukote: a leading aftermarket ink brand and private label provider
in the Americas. Also sold under Office Depot and Walmart private
labels. Sold under Pelikan brand in the Americas.
- Turbon: a leading aftermarket ink brand and private label provider
in North America, Europe and Asia. Sold under the Jetfill brand. Also
sold under Quill private label.
----http://www.hp.com/sbso/product/supplies/supplies_reliability_ink.pdf
This is rather why I have a blindspot for Pelikan... seems according to
quality logic NuKote is another brand name for Pelikan.
http://www.nukote.com/about/?WWW_NUKOTE_COM=210bbd9a5e91d793dda40ba353383f6e
" * One of the world's largest independent manufacturers and
distributors of imaging supplies for printing devices.
* A leading supplier to major original equipment manufacturers:
No matter what brand name is on the machine, Nu-kote is the brand
of choice for the supply inside.
* Distribution channel includes office products commercial dealers,
super stores, electronics stores, mass-market retail chains, catalogs,
and electronic commerce "virtual" dealers."
Measkite check list
1. Do they mfg/formulate?
That's what they say.
2. Does it come in a retail box
Sure does
3. Is it sold in retail store
Sure... oh yea under it's own name and the Office Depot private label
according to Quality Logic. Sold at office max under it's own label.
http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?prodBlockOID=537277515&campaign=363BT4HC2V2&cm_cat=Other&cm_pla=Other&cm_ite=Other&cm_ven=Shopping_com&BV_UseBVCookie=no&affCode=PRF&siteID=k2776&mid=
Is it a brand?
There can be no doubt.
Will Measekite rave like a loon finding some explanation why it's not a
brand? There is no doubt.
Does Measekite have cause to feel supremely stupid.
Am I grasping at straws? Nope... meets with Measkete's strict
requirements 100%. QED - thus it is proven.
We as a group have nothing at all to prove to this jerk. Just ignore his |
ignorant bullshit and get on with helping real people with real
questions and real problems. He has none of these.
Frank |
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measekite
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:46 am Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | Measkite wrote: A bunch of inane crap
Pelikan is a store brand?
IT IS A STORE LABEL THAT THEY STICK ON SOMETHING WITH OUT DISCLOSING |
WHAT IT IS.
| Quote: | These guys who for decades have been selling
premium pens? $200 pens, $100 pens, $50 pens, $20 pens? You think
this Swiss company is just a store brand? No one can be *this*
stupid...
OH YES |
| Quote: | I understand you don't know shit from shinola but there is no
way anyone can not understand that Pelikan is as big as Fisher and
Sheaffer for pens. And like many other companies... as their business
is ink it's only natural to move to inkjets. Pelikan has been around
for 76 years.... and you are calling them a store brand?
GEE I SAW ON FLYING OVER THE COAST NEAR BOSTON THE OTHER DAY. NOW I KNOW |
THEY GOOTA BE BIRDS
| Quote: | You must
enjoy pretending to be stupid cause no one in their right mind could
believe that Pelikan isn't a brand.
IT IS A STORE LABEL THAT THEY STICK ON SOMETHING WITH OUT DISCLOSING |
WHAT IT IS.
| Quote: | The quality of the ink is not the purpose of this dialog. It has been
proven without a a doubt to anyone with two working neurons that brands
of 3rd party ink exist, even ones that meet all three of your
requirements.
NOT REALLY |
| Quote: | I understand your feelings are hurt and you feel the need to lash out.
Perhaps you can take the time to reflect upon this experence and learn
how to be a better man.
WHAT MAKE YOU THINK I AM A MAN |
| Quote: | It's OK to be dead wrong because when you are
wrong you learn to be right in the future.
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measekite
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:50 am Post subject:
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George E. Cawthon wrote:
| Quote: | zakezuke wrote:
Measkite wrote: A bunch of inane crap
Pelikan is a store brand? These guys who for decades have been selling
premium pens? $200 pens, $100 pens, $50 pens, $20 pens? You think
this Swiss company is just a store brand? No one can be *this*
stupid... I understand you don't know shit from shinola but there is no
way anyone can not understand that Pelikan is as big as Fisher and
Sheaffer for pens. And like many other companies... as their business
is ink it's only natural to move to inkjets. Pelikan has been around
for 76 years.... and you are calling them a store brand? You must
enjoy pretending to be stupid cause no one in their right mind could
believe that Pelikan isn't a brand.
The quality of the ink is not the purpose of this dialog. It has been
proven without a a doubt to anyone with two working neurons that brands
of 3rd party ink exist, even ones that meet all three of your
requirements.
I understand your feelings are hurt and you feel the need to lash out.
Perhaps you can take the time to reflect upon this experence and learn
how to be a better man. It's OK to be dead wrong because when you are
wrong you learn to be right in the future.
I gotta say what some other say. You give a lot of good information
and sites to visit. But I don't understand why you talk to M. It
dilutes your influence.
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HE HAS NONE
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Anybody that doesn't know about Pelikan as a brand of ink has got to
be asleep at the wheel.
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GO TO THERE WEBSITE. SEE WHAT THEY SELL. THE PRIVATE LABEL SOME
MFG/FORMULATOR PREFILLED CARTS AND DO NOT DISCLOSE THE MFG/FORMULATOR.
THEY ARE A STORE LABEL.
| Quote: | I remember Pelikan from when I was in highschool. I probably even
have a bottle around that was bought back in the late 50's or early
60's. Everybody bought Pelikan for drawing. |
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measekite
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:51 am Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | I probably even have a bottle around that was bought
back in the late 50's or early 60's. Everybody
bought Pelikan for drawing.
Actually I bought Sheaffer... it not being an import IIRC it was a
good deal cheaper. Come to think about it I refilled those cartridges
with india ink and never had an issue with nib clogging.
YOU SHOULD TRY INK FROM PAKISTAN TOO |
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measekite
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:56 am Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | Measkite said: Rant deleted per request and he's being redundent
Additional information:
Bob Headrick posted this link a while ago, thought i'd revisited and
quote a segment.
TRIM |
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Am I grasping at straws?
ABSOLOOTLEE |
| Quote: | Nope... meets with Measkete's strict
requirements 100%. QED - thus it is proven.
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zakezuke
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| Quote: | Measekite said: Removed per request
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Here is where we catch Measekite in a lie
1. You've seen the logo, so you know it's not just a store brand.
2. You said earlier that "THE QUALITY <of pelikan> IS CRAP. I EVEN
BOUGHTG AN ADDING MACHINE RIBBON FOR MY ADDING MACHINE AND IT IS TOTAL
TRASH."
<mine>
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.periphs.printers/browse_frm/thread/748ee92267285a21/0c8276b04a97ae81?lnk=st&q=measekite+pelikan+ribbon&rnum=1&hl=en#0c8276b04a97ae81
So you know the logo is a bird, and you have bought a product with the
name clearly labled as Pelikan. Whether or not they are crap or not is
beside the point.. the dialog was whether these are name brands. The
fact that you bought a ribbon by "Pelikan" proves the fact that their
product isn't just a store brand as a store brand would have their
store label attached to the product.
So in short, you "proved" my case, the fact that you can call Pelikan
crap and not office max's private label of ink crap is proof that you
too reconize them as brand and not some store label. |
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