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*skriptis
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:08 am Post subject:
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I have just bought laptop with 15.4"..one week ago..and I am very annoyed by
the screen.
I am thinkig of selling it, or getting it back...
It has its charm, but surfing istn'tmuch of a fun when there is always a
blank part on the right side.
it is cool for watching dvds, but for surfing, writng a word document is
not.
when you consider that it wights 3kg..and i could have bought 15" and
2.7kilos..
your thoughts?
is 15.4" the future of laptops?
The model is acer5024wlmi, 80gb hd, adm T 1.8GHz, ATI radeon x700 128mb,
512mb ram, 1280-800 15.4"WXGA, WLAN, IRDA, 6-in1 card reader, PCMCIA,
4.usb.2.0, IEEE 1394, VGA out, S-video TV...ineresting, there is no way to
insert a normal mouse...i must have been out of the game to long..i wasnt
informed about the new technlogy for mouses..
my only remark is the keyboard. to, to soft.
beside that the device is ok. it is a desktop replacemnt laptop, so its
normal to be a little heavier. 3kgs.
but now i somewhat regretful for not buying a smaller one.
toshiba satelite L10-194, 60gb hd, centrino 1,7Ghz, Intel (somethng)64mb,
512mb ram, 1024-768 15"XGA, Wlan, LAN 3usb 2.o, PCMCIA
i hear the keyboard is excelent, and it weights only 2.7.
but i thought the acer i bought is much more advanced...80gb to 60gbs hard
drive, 1.8-1,6 GHz, grafic card 128-64, plus it has this other stuffs
Have I made the right decion?
Is there anyone who didnt like the widescreen and later got used to it? :)
the keyboard? |
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*skriptis
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:56 am Post subject:
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"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | *skriptis wrote:
I have just bought laptop with 15.4"..one week ago..and I am very annoyed
by
the screen.
I am thinkig of selling it, or getting it back...
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It's commonly referred to as "personal preference."
You should never buy *anything,* based completely on what others say,
without checking it out for yourself, first.
Notan
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well, note this, notan...:)
I tried a little bit..I saw it..it looked refrehing..more relaxing..and..if
we talk about deisgn.nicer.
and in some things it still is.
but in some things...not. |
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BaaL
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject:
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Adam Helberg <sendspamhere@yahee.com> has this craizy idea that:
| Quote: | "John Doue" <notwobe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Adam Helberg wrote:
I'm trying to decide whether to buy a widescreen or the traditional
XGA 14" notebook for mobility. I'm mostly interested in using the
usual programs such as Internet Explorer, Excel and some language
software with rare DVD movie use. And I need easy to read fonts.
I also notice some have 1280*800 and some widescreens have 1280*
768 pixels. Any pros and cons here?
Adam
I'd say it first depends on your ... eyes: if you do not need to
wear glasses to look at 14.1" screen with a resolution of 1400x1050
and if you value a lot mobility, then, go ahead and choose that
solution. If mobility is not of paramount importance, you will enjoy
the space a 15" display offers with a 1400x01050 resolution. When I
went from a 14.1 to a 15", I kept using the same carry-on bag .. so
much for the space argument.
But if you tend to find fonts too small, fiddling with them in
Windows will never be a solution as good as a native resolution that
allows you to work comfortably. In that case, I would stay with a
14.1" and the 1024x768 resolution. The same resolution on a 15"
screen is too fuzzy for my liking.
The best way to decide is to carefully compare displays in a store,
loading a document or a program you are familiar with so that you
can compare apples and apples.
--
John Doue
I have one more question. If a widescreen is 1280* 768 pixels, the
vertical pixels is the same number as the traditional XGA. Does that
mean that widescreen displays the same number of lines as the XGA?
it's 1280*800 |
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Adam Helberg
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:
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"*skriptis" <nema ga@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:dk0vda$nb5$1@bagan.srce.hr...
| Quote: | I have just bought laptop with 15.4"..one week ago..and I am very annoyed by the
screen.
I am thinkig of selling it, or getting it back...
It has its charm, but surfing istn'tmuch of a fun when there is always a blank part
on the right side.
it is cool for watching dvds, but for surfing, writng a word document is not.
when you consider that it wights 3kg..and i could have bought 15" and 2.7kilos..
your thoughts?
is 15.4" the future of laptops?
The model is acer5024wlmi, 80gb hd, adm T 1.8GHz, ATI radeon x700 128mb, 512mb ram,
1280-800 15.4"WXGA, WLAN, IRDA, 6-in1 card reader, PCMCIA, 4.usb.2.0, IEEE 1394,
VGA out, S-video TV...ineresting, there is no way to insert a normal mouse...i must
have been out of the game to long..i wasnt informed about the new technlogy for
mouses..
my only remark is the keyboard. to, to soft.
beside that the device is ok. it is a desktop replacemnt laptop, so its normal to
be a little heavier. 3kgs.
but now i somewhat regretful for not buying a smaller one.
toshiba satelite L10-194, 60gb hd, centrino 1,7Ghz, Intel (somethng)64mb, 512mb
ram, 1024-768 15"XGA, Wlan, LAN 3usb 2.o, PCMCIA
i hear the keyboard is excelent, and it weights only 2.7.
but i thought the acer i bought is much more advanced...80gb to 60gbs hard drive,
1.8-1,6 GHz, grafic card 128-64, plus it has this other stuffs
Have I made the right decion?
Is there anyone who didnt like the widescreen and later got used to it? :)
the keyboard?
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Let me add my two-cents worth. I bought a small Dell 700m, very advanced with a 12"
1280*800 wide screen and returned it because the small fonts were giving me headache.
Since then I've pondered the different displays and done some research on this.
The displays with 1280*768 pixels, display the same number of lines as the 1024*768
XGA, but the latter will be spaced farther apart vertically if diagonal is the same.
The 1280*800 display will display more lines than the XGA. I may be wrong on this
but I found the fonts on 1280*800 machines more difficult to read than on 1280*768
for a given diagonal size. The lines forming the fonts seem to be finer and of course
a little smaller. The Sony Vaios have the 1280*800 displays and although they have
the best screens I don't like the fonts--they are too fine.
The 15.4" XGA may actually be too large for the 1024*768 display. The ones I looked
at seemed to coarse and grainy when viewed close and may pose another problem.
I think the 14" XGA and 15.4" 1280*768 are the most clear. An HP 1280*768 14.1" inch
looked pretty good as well, judging by readability.
A trick with the wide screen is to point the mouse on a blank part of bottom taskbar
(make sure it's unlocked) and drag it to the left margin. That takes the taskbar from
the bottom and puts in on a left vertical bar, giving you more vertical space and
taking up the useless horizontal extra space. If you don't like that you can always
drag it back, but I thought it was a nice way of using the extra width.
Another consideration is that now the most advanced laptops are being made with the
widescreen, most of the XGA laptops use older components and the trend seems to be to
the widescreen.
Adam. |
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*skriptis
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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thank you adam.
that was my oppinion to.
it seems to become spread...i liked it..and i bought it.
and the idea with the taskbar is so simple..yet briliant..:)
it is nice laptop..just had some post buying doubts aboud the
widescreen..15.4" have i made the right choice..etc. |
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Quaoar
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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jakdedert wrote:
| Quote: | Quaoar wrote:
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computer displays are wider than tall. I wish they were the
aspect ratio and orientation of a normal piece of paper...much
less scrolling...much more 'WYSIWYG' when word processing.
jak
Because it is the Golden Ratio that dictated, 2500 years ago, the
width should be greater than the height, and the ratio must be
1.6180339. Then it was television that made us comfortable with a
4:3, 1.333 ratio. Then it was some junior engineer in an LCD
factory in Taiwan that found the company could make 7 15.4 inch
LCD displays at 1.600 ratio from the same panel that produced only
5 15 inch panels at 1.33 ratio. Summary: the width must be greater
than the height and the Greeks
were very close to producing an LCD panel 2500 years ago.
Then why do we write on paper that's turned 'sideways'?
jak
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Paper is derived from clay tablet formats first used 3000 years ago
by the Sumerians. There is no new technology.
Dodging the question or just another tongue in cheek answer? I would
really like to know why all our computer monitors are sideways...or
alternatively (according to your reasoning), we write 90 degrees out
of sync to what the Greeks dictated....
jak
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Sorry, I did not realize you asked a serious question. Apple tried the
page view display in the Lisa in 1983 and it was not readily accepted.
Apple had (maybe still does) some Mac displays that rotated to page
view, but those haven't been too successful either. The tablet laptops
haven't done well and they can be set up for page view.
I really do think the display geometry is a function of what everyone is
accustomed to: movie screens, photos, television. Part of it might be
that we really can't take in the view of much more vertical screen that
we have now without craning our necks up and down and that's
uncomfortable, especially in a work environment. Soo...
Q |
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Adam Helberg
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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"*skriptis" <nema ga@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:dk40n5$f28$1@bagan.srce.hr...
| Quote: | thank you adam.
that was my oppinion to.
it seems to become spread...i liked it..and i bought it.
and the idea with the taskbar is so simple..yet briliant..:)
it is nice laptop..just had some post buying doubts aboud the widescreen..15.4"
have i made the right choice..etc.
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By the way very nice mouse is the Kensington PocketMouse Pro wireless mouse. The
receiver plugs into one of the free USB ports (will not work with a USB hub) and the
mouse transmits by radio waves. The mouse is optical and can be used on most
surfaces. For travel the receiver fits inside the mouse. I have one and it works very
well.
Adam |
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BaaL
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
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jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net> has this craizy idea that:
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Dodging the question or just another tongue in cheek answer? I would
really like to know why all our computer monitors are sideways...or
alternatively (according to your reasoning), we write 90 degrees out
of sync to what the Greeks dictated....
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because it's natural... eventhough we live in a 3D world (4D if you count
time)... but we mostly move around in a 2D manner: fwd, bckwd, left,
right... our eyes have adapted accordingly.. we have bigger left to right
angle of perifferal vision than up-down... try focusing on a dot on the
wall and "check" how far can you see left or right, and up or down without
moving your eyes, and you'l see what i mean...
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jakdedert
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject:
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BaaL wrote:
| Quote: | jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net> has this craizy idea that:
Dodging the question or just another tongue in cheek answer? I would
really like to know why all our computer monitors are sideways...or
alternatively (according to your reasoning), we write 90 degrees out
of sync to what the Greeks dictated....
because it's natural... eventhough we live in a 3D world (4D if you count
time)... but we mostly move around in a 2D manner: fwd, bckwd, left,
right... our eyes have adapted accordingly.. we have bigger left to right
angle of perifferal vision than up-down... try focusing on a dot on the
wall and "check" how far can you see left or right, and up or down without
moving your eyes, and you'l see what i mean...
Okay, I got that. Assuming that's true, why don't computer monitors |
correspond to the pieces of paper that they are arguably designed to
emulate?
They're still 90 degrees off...or alternatively, why don't we write and
print primarily in 'landscape' mode..if that is the more natural way to
percieve an object?
All the answers so far do not address the question...to wit:
If it's intrinsically natural to look at (or design) a 2d object which
is wider than long, why are portraits, well...portrait style? Why is
there an exception for documents--from portraits, to books, to
magazines, to posters--all oriented with the long side on the vertical?
jak |
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E Brown
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:39:50 -0600, jakdedert
<jakdedert@bellsouth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | If it's intrinsically natural to look at (or design) a 2d object which
is wider than long, why are portraits, well...portrait style? Why is
there an exception for documents--from portraits, to books, to
magazines, to posters--all oriented with the long side on the vertical?
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Well one problem with the keyboard. This usually has to be flush
with the display, and a narrow, tall display wouldn't fit with a wide,
short keyboard without IBM 701-style shenanigans.
In fact, one of the reasons I'm pro widescreen laptops is it allows
for bigger keyboards. They're also better for spreadsheets (which I
work with professionally), better for airplane seat trays, and for
movies. As usual, such choices are should be based on what your
intended usage will be.
Emanuel
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2003 BMW 325i Black/Black
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i'm good
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject:
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"bob" <bobrs1000@yahoo.nospamca> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Adam Helberg wrote:
I'm trying to decide whether to buy a widescreen or the traditional XGA
14" notebook
for mobility. I'm mostly interested in using the usual programs such as
Internet
Explorer, Excel and some language software with rare DVD movie use. And
I need easy
to read fonts.
I also notice some have 1280*800 and some widescreens have 1280* 768
pixels. Any pros
and cons here?
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I have a lot of problems with widescreen computers.
What about developers of GUIs, such as those who develop applications
or just web pages?
Widescreen computers should allow 4:3 display on as much of the screen
as possible using pillarboxing, instead of shrinking the picture into the
screen.
If I wanted a portable DVD player, that's what I would be buying, but I want
a computer.
And there are other applications besides spreadsheets.
The only real advantage is for working with graphics, but it's not enough
reason for me.
| Quote: | Adam
If you are going to be transporting a lot, consider the weight and the
size. My preference is for a smaller computer and when I am at the
office for more than an hour, I plug in an external monitor. The best of
both worlds.
Bob |
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