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Hackworth · Guest

So what's the verdict concerning the use of paper CD labels (printed on an
inkjet printer) on DVDs discs that one burns? Is it really a bad idea, or
doesn't it matter? There's a big discussion going on about this amongst the
geeks at work and I'd like to know the facts.

Dan G · Guest

There are abundant reports of labels rendering DVD's unreadable. Exactly why
is a topic of debate. But the bottom line is that labels are an even badder
idea on DVD's than they are on CDr's.

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tomcas · Guest

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Billw · Guest

I've seen a few cheaper CDRs on which the label was peeling off, and taking
the data layer along with it (discs of course are then trashed). Don't know
if that means the data layer wouldn't have come off by itself in the absence
of a label, but it was enough to get me to stop using labels on discs that I
wanted to have around for a long time.

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half_pint · Guest

You could also take the view that the label would actually protect the disk.
I am pretty sure some of my disks were trashed because the 'back' of the
disk was scratched. Indeed on one disk it was possibe to rub the surface off
with my finger, leaving a big hole which you could look through.
The disk surface remained unblemished.

So a circular protective label might be a good idea to protect the
'metal'. The 'glue' might react witth the metal though.

I suppose what you want is a marker you cn rub out, but then again
you risk rubbing a hole in the metal.

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Larc · Guest

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:17:54 -0000, "half_pint" <esboella@yahoo.com>
wrote:

| You could also take the view that the label would actually protect the disk.
| I am pretty sure some of my disks were trashed because the 'back' of the
| disk was scratched. Indeed on one disk it was possibe to rub the surface off
| with my finger, leaving a big hole which you could look through.
| The disk surface remained unblemished.
|
| So a circular protective label might be a good idea to protect the
| 'metal'. The 'glue' might react witth the metal though.
|
| I suppose what you want is a marker you cn rub out, but then again
| you risk rubbing a hole in the metal.

I have some CDs 5 or 6 years old with paper labels on them and have
never had problems with even one yet.

Larc

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Dan G · Guest

The question is about DVD's, which are made differently than CDR. There's no
need to "protect" the back side on a DVD, as they are made with a
polycarbonate sandwich, so there's a protective disc on both sides.

If you put labels on DVD's, you're asking for trouble.

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Graham Mayor · Guest

Dan G wrote:

Bill · Guest

Dan G · Guest

Nobody has really figured this out as far as I know. But I've read numerous
reports of entire collections being lost in a fairly short period of time. I
suspect there are several variables involved. I've also seen cases where
people did PI/PIF scans on a fresh burn that was excellent, then applied a
label and the disc was unreadable. Here's my ideas:
1) The label itself and the method of application may be a factor.
2) The method of storage is certainly a factor.
3) The quality of the media dye, accuracy of the stamper.

Possible causes of the failures are also many:
1) Imbalanced disc.
2) Warped disc due to stresses applied by the label.
3) Altered reflectivity due to the opaque label.

Your guess is as good as mine, but the reports of problems are many and
varied. One thing is nearly certain, and that is that there is no
correlation between CDR and DVD where labels are concerned, the structure of
the disc is completely different. For DVD's, it may be a situation where
several of these variables can come together to cause a problem. It's sort
of a roulette. But since there is no reason not to use any standard marker
to write on the back of a DVD (unlike a CDR), I avoid use of any labels.

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Scott Alfter · Guest

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Graham Mayor · Guest

Interesting - however, I have not found the need to label DVDs. I have been
buying white top printable discs, so it might be interesting to see what
effect printing directly to them has :)

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Dan G · Guest

I just ran across yet another report of an entire collection lost due to
labels. What's interesting is that this person posted an email he got from
Memorex on the subject:

"The reason that you experienced issues when you labeled the DVD is that as
the DVD plays in the player with the Label on it, the DVD expands from the
heat generated. The label does not expand and thus it causes a warping of
the DVD. Not a lot but it is enough to cause a failure in Playback. The only
type of labeling that we recommend for a DVD is the Center Hub label only."

Terry Schmidt
Technical Support
Memorex Products, Inc.
United States

Also note that Memorex sold him the DVD labeling kit in the first place.

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