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John H.
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Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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Graham Mayor wrote:
| Quote: | Dan G wrote:
Also note that Memorex sold him the DVD labeling kit in the first
place.
That's what you call having your cake and your halfpenny LOL
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I used to label my cds with stomper.But I labled one for my brother to
play in his car player.And the heat from his player and the car caused
the lable to come loose.But the ones I use for house use stayed on o.k.
John.h.
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 6:19 am Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:04:31 -0700, "Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I just ran across yet another report of an entire collection lost due to
labels. What's interesting is that this person posted an email he got from
Memorex on the subject:
"The reason that you experienced issues when you labeled the DVD is that as
the DVD plays in the player with the Label on it, the DVD expands from the
heat generated. The label does not expand and thus it causes a warping of
the DVD. Not a lot but it is enough to cause a failure in Playback. The only
type of labeling that we recommend for a DVD is the Center Hub label only."
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It seems unlikely that there would be permanent damage. Removing the
label should "restore" the DVD, yes?
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Graham Mayor
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:20 am Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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John H. wrote:
| Quote: | Graham Mayor wrote:
Dan G wrote:
Also note that Memorex sold him the DVD labeling kit in the first
place.
That's what you call having your cake and your halfpenny LOL
I used to label my cds with stomper.But I labled one for my brother to
play in his car player.And the heat from his player and the car caused
the lable to come loose.But the ones I use for house use stayed on o.k.
John.h.
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I live in an area which has extremes of climate - temperatures of 50 degrees
are not unusual in summer - and I frequently leave labelled discs in the
car. I also have a slot loading player in the car, and while it can be a bit
pernickety at ejecting discs, it has never caused a problem with labelled
discs. If you use Stomper glossy discs they will survive just about any
normal use. They are, however expensive!
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Neil Maxwell
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:59 am Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:19:20 +0200, "Graham Mayor"
<gmayor@noonehome.com> wrote:
| Quote: | John H. wrote:
Graham Mayor wrote:
I used to label my cds with stomper.But I labled one for my brother to
play in his car player.And the heat from his player and the car caused
the lable to come loose.But the ones I use for house use stayed on o.k.
John.h.
I live in an area which has extremes of climate - temperatures of 50 degrees
are not unusual in summer - and I frequently leave labelled discs in the
car. I also have a slot loading player in the car, and while it can be a bit
pernickety at ejecting discs, it has never caused a problem with labelled
discs. If you use Stomper glossy discs they will survive just about any
normal use. They are, however expensive!
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My Alpine changer in my Volvo can be picky about paper labeled disks.
It handles unlabeled disks and pressed disks just fine, but every now
and again, it gets a paper labeled disk stuck, and I had to take it in
for service once. It's out of warranty now, so I don't put labeled
disks in it anymore.
The labels on the stuck disks are fine - not peeling off or anything -
but the handling system just doesn't like them sometimes.
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Graham Mayor
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:20 am Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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Neil Maxwell wrote:
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The labels on the stuck disks are fine - not peeling off or anything -
but the handling system just doesn't like them sometimes.
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Been there - but I find commercial discs can cause the handling system as
much distress on my Sony player. My Mitsubishi player seems to handle
either without problem, but has poorer sound quality. Hey ho! :(
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Chip
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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"Bill" <ws@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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With the exception of the label being applied incorrectly and causing an
imbalance or warpage, what could possibly cause a problem? I have only
applied these labels to a few slide show DVDs but have yet to experience
problems.
No issues here either. I use good quality labels and always apply them
with an applicator. To date, I've experienced no issues with CD-Rs or
DVD-R discs that can be traced to having a label applied.
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Sounds like the growth of a new urban computer legend... Been using lables
on floppies, video tapes, CDs, and DVDs for years and never a problem.... |
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Chip
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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"Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The question is about DVD's, which are made differently than CDR. There's
no
need to "protect" the back side on a DVD, as they are made with a
polycarbonate sandwich, so there's a protective disc on both sides.
If you put labels on DVD's, you're asking for trouble.
"half_pint" <esboella@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:340it4F43buvoU1@individual.net...
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And by what analytical analysis are you basing this on? Or are the DVDS that
I have been using for years and labeling superior to everyone else's? |
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Chip
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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"Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
news:5ybDd.2$475.772@news.uswest.net...
| Quote: | I just ran across yet another report of an entire collection lost due to
labels. What's interesting is that this person posted an email he got from
Memorex on the subject:
"The reason that you experienced issues when you labeled the DVD is that
as
the DVD plays in the player with the Label on it, the DVD expands from the
heat generated. The label does not expand and thus it causes a warping of
the DVD. Not a lot but it is enough to cause a failure in Playback. The
only
type of labeling that we recommend for a DVD is the Center Hub label
only."
Terry Schmidt
Technical Support
Memorex Products, Inc.
United States
Also note that Memorex sold him the DVD labeling kit in the first place.
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Interesting concept, but I have never seen anyone else replicate this
before. |
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Allen
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:05 am Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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Chip wrote:
| Quote: | "Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
news:ObFCd.25$HO2.1367@news.uswest.net...
The question is about DVD's, which are made differently than CDR. There's
no
need to "protect" the back side on a DVD, as they are made with a
polycarbonate sandwich, so there's a protective disc on both sides.
If you put labels on DVD's, you're asking for trouble.
"half_pint" <esboella@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:340it4F43buvoU1@individual.net...
And by what analytical analysis are you basing this on? Or are the DVDS that
I have been using for years and labeling superior to everyone else's?
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Note the source of that post--good old "half_pint" yet again. I hadn't
seen the original, as I no longer see anything that he/she/it posts.
Allen |
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Hackworth
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:01 am Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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"Bill" <ws@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have some CDs 5 or 6 years old with paper labels on them and have
never had problems with even one yet.
Larc
With my own CD-Rs, and extensive checking performed on many of my discs
earlier this year, I found no evidence suggesting that paper labels were
causing readback errors. Discs from decent sources such as Taiyo-Yuden
were reading back as error-free, regardless of age (three years max, in my
case) or whether a label was applied.
The "Made in Taiwan" discs from companies such as Memorex (which I'll
never purchase again) didn't fare as well--but, again, readback errors
were consistently bad on these discs, regardless of whether a label had
been applied.
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Yeah, I have to agree. Learned that lesson the hard way. Memorex blows
chunks, and I'll never spend money on them again. I won't even begin to bore
everyone in this group with the write and read problems I've enountered with
Memorex media. :-( |
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Neil Maxwell
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Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:28 pm Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:43:15 -0800, "Chip" <chip313@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Bill" <ws@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C3vCd.75$W32.37@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
With the exception of the label being applied incorrectly and causing an
imbalance or warpage, what could possibly cause a problem? I have only
applied these labels to a few slide show DVDs but have yet to experience
problems.
No issues here either. I use good quality labels and always apply them
with an applicator. To date, I've experienced no issues with CD-Rs or
DVD-R discs that can be traced to having a label applied.
Sounds like the growth of a new urban computer legend... Been using lables
on floppies, video tapes, CDs, and DVDs for years and never a problem....
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Lack of problems with a certain subset of hardware doesn't mean there
are no problems. There was a well-documented Avery brand CDR label
problem back in the 2X days that resulted in a recall of the labels by
the manufacturer; a quick group search on "avery label recall"
(without the quotes) should turn up a variety of threads.
Likewise, there have been many instances of labels coming loose in
drives. I haven't seen any confirmed cases of label stress causing
problems with DVDR delamination, but we know that delamination is a
potential problem in general, so it'll take more data before I'll be
comfortable either way.
Using good quality labels and CDRs with protective top layers will go
a long way towards making sure you don't have problems, but DVDRs are
still too new to be able to say they'll have no problems with any kind
of labels.
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Scott Alfter
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:03 am Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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Graham Mayor <gmayor@noonehome.com> wrote:
| Quote: | John H. wrote:
Graham Mayor wrote:
I used to label my cds with stomper.But I labled one for my brother to
play in his car player.And the heat from his player and the car caused
the lable to come loose.But the ones I use for house use stayed on o.k.
John.h.
I live in an area which has extremes of climate - temperatures of 50 degrees
are not unusual in summer - and I frequently leave labelled discs in the
car.
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50? Where do you live that it stays that cool in the summer? That's winter
weather here in Las Vegas...try 110+ in the summer.
As for my own experiences with CD labels, I tried them for a while a few
years ago. With not much use (and with the discs stored at room
temperature), the labels would start peeling up around the edges. Maybe it
was the adhesive or maybe it was the surface of the disc (textured, not
smooth) that kept them from sticking, but I started using Sharpies after
that and kept using those until I bought a disc printer. Even now, I'll
still mark a disc with a Sharpie if I don't want to bother with firing up
the printer and cranking out a label in Publisher.
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John H.
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:17 am Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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Scott Alfter wrote:
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In article <346p33F46016uU1@individual.net>,
Graham Mayor <gmayor@noonehome.com> wrote:
John H. wrote:
Graham Mayor wrote:
I used to label my cds with stomper.But I labled one for my brother to
play in his car player.And the heat from his player and the car caused
the lable to come loose.But the ones I use for house use stayed on o.k.
John.h.
I live in an area which has extremes of climate - temperatures of 50 degrees
are not unusual in summer - and I frequently leave labelled discs in the
car.
50? Where do you live that it stays that cool in the summer? That's winter
weather here in Las Vegas...try 110+ in the summer.
As for my own experiences with CD labels, I tried them for a while a few
years ago. With not much use (and with the discs stored at room
temperature), the labels would start peeling up around the edges. Maybe it
was the adhesive or maybe it was the surface of the disc (textured, not
smooth) that kept them from sticking, but I started using Sharpies after
that and kept using those until I bought a disc printer. Even now, I'll
still mark a disc with a Sharpie if I don't want to bother with firing up
the printer and cranking out a label in Publisher.
_/_
/ v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
\_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
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I thought the same thing.50 degrees where do you get that in the
summer.I live in ca. where the summer heat is 100+ and heat does cause
the labels to come loose.
I just bought a R200 and started printing on cds it is so much easyer
than useing labels. I just wish the cartridges were cheaper.
John.H.
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Bill
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:51 am Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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| Quote: | As for my own experiences with CD labels, I tried them for a while a few
years ago. With not much use (and with the discs stored at room
temperature), the labels would start peeling up around the edges. Maybe
it
was the adhesive or maybe it was the surface of the disc (textured, not
smooth) that kept them from sticking, but I started using Sharpies after
that and kept using those until I bought a disc printer. Even now, I'll
still mark a disc with a Sharpie if I don't want to bother with firing up
the printer and cranking out a label in Publisher.
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Maybe it was the quality of the CD label. I started off using labels from
Imation (no longer available) and now Fellowes. In three years of label
application, I've yet to have even a small edge of a label begin to peel. |
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nospam@hitmail.com
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:26 am Post subject:
Re: Paper labels on DVD discs |
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| Quote: | I live in an area which has extremes of climate - temperatures of 50 degrees
are not unusual in summer - and I frequently leave labelled discs in the
car.
50? Where do you live that it stays that cool in the summer? That's winter
weather here in Las Vegas...try 110+ in the summer.
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50, as in degrees celsius (centigrade) |
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