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Rod Speed
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject:
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote
| Quote: | You are assuming that there is no system to trace the printer from
manufacturer to dealer to retailer to consumer.
Products like photocopiers and color laser printers could easily be
traced. Some computer stores scan some items' serial numbers in at the till
along with the SKU/UPC and it appears on my receipt.
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Doesnt mean that they actually know a damned thing about
who bought it tho, particular when its paid for using cash.
| Quote: | Shawn Hirn wrote:
In article <4357894c$0$58864$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
"Mike T." <hello@howyadoin.now> wrote:
"ER" <evad@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
news:4356e0d4_3@newsgate.x-privat.org...
FROM NOW ON!
DO NOT REGISTER YOUR PRINTER WITH THE MANUFACTURER!!
ER
How will that help when the serial number is on each page printed? Yeah, it
might slow down the authorities tracking you, but when
they find you, they'd still have proof that YOUR printer was
involved. -Dave
If you don't register your printer with the manufacturer, how is the
government going to identify that serial number back to you? At most,
they can associate that serial number with a physical printer, but
if no one knows where the printer with that serial number is
located, your privacy is preserved. |
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Rod Speed
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject:
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote
| Quote: | I believe we have a pot calling the kettle black situation below.
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More fool you.
| Quote: | Rod Speed wrote:
Shaun Eli <missingchild@BrainChampagne.com> wrote:
I suggest that before people say it doesn't matter unless you break
the law, you go find a history book and read about The Federalist
Papers, which were instrumental in our country's foundation.
That aint the current situation, stupid.
And anyone with a clue who wants to do
subversive things wont be printing it out, stupid.
They were written anonymously by (we
now know) Hamilton, Madison and Jay.
Had they had a printer which they knew could
reveal their identities, they might not have written.
Or they may not have been silly enough to print it.
The First Amendment doesn't say anything about yellow toner.
Pathetic, really.
Doesnt say anything about fingerprints or DNA either. |
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Rod Speed
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:30 pm Post subject:
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote
| Quote: | And I suppose you also want us to believe Rob Speed is the name on your birth
certificate...
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It is my name. You get to like it or lump it.
| Quote: | Rod Speed wrote:
Jeffrey F. Bloss <jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Jeffrey F. Bloss <jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote
They make possible what was not possible before. Specifically,
taking any printed page and discerning it's origin with no other
evidence at all. Before this "tag" implementation an abusive
government or employer would typically have to sift through
hundreds or thousands of potential dissidents to build a list of
potential targets. And that list would be imperfect because the
document might have been printed at any time. Now, the document
itself pinpoints at least the machine it was printed on, and the
exact time. And most likely a very tiny list of targets as a
result. :(
In essence, any of this sort of identification is
forcing someone to sign every document they print.
Nope, not when a particular printer cant
be associated with a particular individual.
Yeah, well... that's just been proved a whole lot easier in *all*
cases,
Lie.
and unavioadable in many or most.
Lie.
ALL the authoritys know is that all the documents came
from one particular printer and the date it was printed etc.
If you discount everyone except off the shelf buyers who pay cash
and buy considerable distances from their homes, you have a point.
I have a point with a hell of a lot more situations than just that
one.
If you include the vast majority of personal and business consumers,
you're simply looking at the problem with very narrow vision.
Another lie.
It's a direct and indisputable assault against
privacy and anonymity, under the guise of "security".
Just like countless other situations are, like ID for bank
accounts, cameras in ATMs, ID for license plates, etc etc etc.
Red herring.
Another lie.
Personal identification is an absolute necessity in those scenarios.
Another lie.
It's not necessary to the printing of a document.
It doesnt happen when printing a document either.
A punishment of the whole for the actions of the minority.
Bullshit. No 'punishment' at all for those who dont breach the law.
I'll be over tomorrow to install the software that
tracks your every move on the net. It's OK with
you, right? You have nothing to hide after all...
That is correct, I have nothing to hide.
I dont give a flying red fuck that most of my purchases
are trackable to me because I use a card either.
Ditto with all my phone calls, and some of my movements too.
Akin to fitting each and every citizen with an ankle bracelet
because a few have proved themselves deserving of electronic
monitoring. :(
Nothing like. Not even as intrusive as social security numbers.
You're right. Social Security numbers are one of the most abused
forms of "identification" in use today. Thanks for pointing that
out.
Pathetic, really. |
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Rod Speed
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject:
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote
| Quote: | Do you think "Rod Speed" is this person's real name?
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I know it is.
| Quote: | If not, what is he/she hiding?
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Not hiding a damned thing.
| Quote: | Obviously, the use of an alias is grounds alone for suspicion, especially from
someone who otherwise claims he/she has nothing to hide...
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Have you the remotest concept of how silly you look
in the eyes of those who know that it is my name ?
| Quote: | I'm sure this person will have no problem if we use the tools
available to determine who they really are, where they are living,
their affiliations, income, marital status, phone number, job, and
medical condition, and I'm sure they have no legal entanglements. While we are
at it, let's also do a bit of digging about any spouse,
parents, children, siblings... you get it.
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Dig away. Hope you have a towel ready to use on your face, you'll need it.
| Quote: | So, perhaps a group of better qualified than I "explorers and discoverers"
might wish to take on Rod Speed as a project and see what there is to be
found?
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Its been done and even someone as stupid
as you should be able to find the results.
Better have that towel handy...
| Quote: | Remember, he/she has nothing to hide.
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I havent.
| Quote: | DISCLAIMER: I am not actually advocating anyone who reads this do any "spying"
on "Rod Speed",
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Liar.
| Quote: | but I would like "Rod Speed" to consider why this digging of information might
sound ominous and threatening.
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It doesnt. I use my real name for a reason.
Hope that towel is a large one.
Gunna be interesting to see if you actually have the balls to
admit to what a spectacular fool you have just made of yourself.
| Quote: | Jeffrey F. Bloss wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
They make possible what was not possible before. Specifically,
taking any printed page and discerning it's origin with no other
evidence at all. Before this "tag" implementation an abusive
government or employer would typically have to sift through
hundreds or thousands of potential dissidents to build a list of
potential targets. And that list would be imperfect because the
document might have been printed at any time. Now, the document
itself pinpoints at least the machine it was printed on, and the
exact time. And most likely a very tiny list of targets as a
result. :(
In essence, any of this sort of identification is
forcing someone to sign every document they print.
Nope, not when a particular printer cant
be associated with a particular individual.
Yeah, well... that's just been proved a whole lot easier in *all*
cases, and unavioadable in many or most.
ALL the authoritys know is that all the documents came
from one particular printer and the date it was printed etc.
If you discount everyone except off the shelf buyers who pay cash
and buy considerable distances from their homes, you have a point.
If you include the vast majority of personal and business consumers,
you're simply looking at the problem with very narrow vision.
It's a direct and indisputable assault against
privacy and anonymity, under the guise of "security".
Just like countless other situations are, like ID for bank
accounts, cameras in ATMs, ID for license plates, etc etc etc.
Red herring. Personal identification is an absolute necessity in
those scenarios. It's not necessary to the printing of a document.
A punishment of the whole for the actions of the minority.
Bullshit. No 'punishment' at all for those who dont breach the law.
I'll be over tomorrow to install the software that tracks your every
move on the net. It's OK with you, right? You have nothing to hide
after all...
Akin to fitting each and every citizen with an ankle bracelet
because a few have proved themselves deserving of electronic
monitoring. :(
Nothing like. Not even as intrusive as social security numbers.
You're right. Social Security numbers are one of the most abused
forms of "identification" in use today. Thanks for pointing that out. |
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latmu
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject:
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote
| Quote: | OK, obviously 'measkite' (or his clown... I mean clone) has changed his email
address again,
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Even someone as stupid as you should be able to
use groups.google and discover what a spectacular
fool you have just made of yourself.
| Quote: | and it's time for another filter to be added to my killfile...
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Wota fucking wanker.
| Quote: | Others may wish to do the same.
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| Quote: | Rod Speed wrote:
ClubCX <tom@botservice.net> wrote
It's not just the government. These yellow 'signatures' have
been decoded by other groups now, and that information will
soon become public knowledge. Everybody will be able to
determine the source of a document
Lie.
and take whatever retribution against the author they like.
They get to deal with rotty and the shotty if they are that stupid. |
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Rod Speed
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject:
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, that is yet another aspect of invasion of privacy. It tends to
get "sloppy".
First, it's surveillance cameras that one bonded guard watches for
security against theft in a store. Next, it's tape recorded images
that are kept for 24 hours and reviewed by an employee. Then it's
videotaped archives kept for months or years and available to anyone
in the bosses office. And soon, before you know it, the bathroom or
dressing room tapes are uploaded to a web site, or the tapes are
tossed when a new boss takes over, who changes the system to DVD-RW
and doesn't bother to erase the tapes and they end up in the hands of
someone picking through the garbage, or someone who bought the stuff
at auction.
People tend to get sloppy and cavalier with other people's personal
information over time, and then innocent people get hurt.
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And FAR more often nothing like that ever happens.
| Quote: | ClubCX wrote:
It's not just the government. These yellow 'signatures' have been
decoded by other groups now, and that information will soon become
public knowledge. Everybody will be able to determine the source of
a document and take whatever retribution against the author they
like. |
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Arthur Entlich
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject:
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Although I do not know if these printers use the device or not, there
are integrated chips with internal batteries made for computers such as
laptops and other devices that maintain date and time information and
run for 10 or more years without outside power.
Here is an example:
http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/MBD006AA/00000132.shtml
Art
Gordon Burditt wrote:
| Quote: | The serial number and the date.
How does a printer, or standalone copier, know the date and time?
Why would anyone bother to set it accurately?
If it's network-connected it can probably find out, say, from a
server at the printer manufacturer. If it's a low-end printer
connected through a parallel port to a computer, how would it
get the date? If it's a standalone copier, same issue?
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Rod Speed
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:49 pm Post subject:
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote
| Quote: | Rod,
Couldn't disagree more.
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Your problem.
| Quote: | 1) some printer will be identifiable to a specific individual or certainly
narrow down the possibilities, and "suspicion is 98/100ths of the law"
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No it aint, and its never been.
| Quote: | 2) moot... just because other things we begrudgingly accept also violate our
privacy doesn't excuse a new one.
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I dont 'grudgingly accept', like I said, I couldnt care less who
knows where I live, what I buy, where I go, who I call, etc etc etc.
| Quote: | Further, there are specific benefits associated with many of the things you
mention, (like ID for bank accounts, cameras in ATMs, ID for license plates)
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There are specific benefits associated with identifying which printer
was used to produce conterfeit currency and conterfeit documents too.
| Quote: | which either offer the individual added features or protect them from types of
fraud
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As does the particular detail being hyperventilated about.
| Quote: | however, this particular type of tracking mainly offers potential advantage to
law enforcement
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And effective law enforcement is in my interest, stupid.
| Quote: | or others who wish to use the information in an abusive manner.
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Mindless conspiracy theory.
| Quote: | 3) Laws change as do those in power and those who enforce the law. Something
that isn't a crime today can easily be made into one tomorrow.
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And we have the power to give those who introduce
laws we dont agree with the bums rush at the ballot
box too if we object strongly enough to particular laws.
We also get to flout the laws we dont agree with too.
| Quote: | You have a naive world view
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Nope.
| Quote: | and you obviously have never lived under an oppressive government
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There you go making a spectacular fool of yourself, again.
| Quote: | or understood how tracking information can be used in illegitimate ways.
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In spades.
| Quote: | 4) How intrusive it is we will have to wait and see.
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No we wont, we have already seen, its been around for a long time now.
| Quote: | It depends on how and who uses the information.
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No it doesnt, we have decent processes
in place to ensure that it cant be misused.
Just like we do with all those other things like card
use, phone records, bank account use, etc etc etc.
You can stop the headless chicken hysterics now.
| Quote: | Rod Speed wrote
Jeffrey F. Bloss <jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote
rick++ wrote
All printers have charisteristic quirks which can be used in court
cases. Its similar to the days when metal fonts on each typewriter
was slightly different in shape and angle.
That's true, but these markings are more than something that can
verify a copy coming from a given printer, they're indications of
which printer they came from *regardless* of any prior knowledge.
IOW, in the first scenario someone would have to have both the
printer and the page to make the connection. In the latter scenario,
the page reveals the machine all by itself.
A *huge* difference.
Xerox's identifiers justs makes it easier.
They make possible what was not possible before. Specifically,
taking any printed page and discerning it's origin with no other
evidence at all. Before this "tag" implementation an abusive
government or employer would typically have to sift through
hundreds or thousands of potential dissidents to build a list of
potential targets. And that list would be imperfect because the
document might have been printed at any time. Now, the document
itself pinpoints at least the machine it was printed on, and the
exact time. And most likely a very tiny list of targets as a
result. :(
In essence, any of this sort of identification is
forcing someone to sign every document they print.
Nope, not when a particular printer cant
be associated with a particular individual.
ALL the authoritys know is that all the documents came
from one particular printer and the date it was printed etc.
It's a direct and indisputable assault against
privacy and anonymity, under the guise of "security".
Just like countless other situations are, like ID for bank
accounts, cameras in ATMs, ID for license plates, etc etc etc.
A punishment of the whole for the actions of the minority.
Bullshit. No 'punishment' at all for those who dont breach the law.
Akin to fitting each and every citizen with an ankle bracelet
because a few have proved themselves deserving of electronic
monitoring. :(
Nothing like. Not even as intrusive as social security numbers. |
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Arthur Entlich
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject:
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The printer can take care of it's own clock, right from the factory, and
for many years to come. It doesn't have to involve being set, in fact,
it would be best that this clock not be reset, because that would allow
for all sorts of fudging with time and date stamp, but a non-accessible
10 year clock and calendar would be very helpful information for the
powers that have desire for it.
Art
Gordon Burditt wrote:
| Quote: | The serial number and the date.
How does a printer, or standalone copier, know the date and time?
Once you leave the realm of the home PC world most printers and and almost
all copier have this ability to tell time on their own.
Why would anyone bother to set it accurately?
It's... "normal"?
At work here they don't seem to even set the clock on the phone
switch accurately, and that gets displayed on most every phone in
the place. The same goes for wall clocks. And fax machines.
The computers only have the right time because of NTP.
On a copier, nobody is going to notice that the clock is off,
even if they know it HAS a clock.
If it's network-connected it can probably find out, say, from a
server at the printer manufacturer. If it's a low-end printer
connected through a parallel port to a computer, how would it
get the date?
From the PC it's connected to.
What software on the PC does that? A generic driver for a printer
isn't going to know how to set time on a large variety of printers
that MIGHT be connected, and it doesn't have a way of guessing
which one really is connected.
If it's a standalone copier, same issue?
From the person who maintains that copier.
People MAINTAIN copiers? You mean some company management actually
PAY for stuff like service contracts?
FWIW, there's some very valid reasons for having copiers and other
standalone hardware know accurate times and dates. Businesses generally
like to keep track on such things, for instance.
So what does a business do with the clock that's useful? The copier
produces a log of when it is used? And perhaps who used it, as
identified by some code or key?
Please try to think outside the "PC-Home-User" box. ;)
I'm thinking mostly of the setup at work. This is a place that
doesn't ask you for a cost center code when you need a paperclip.
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Arthur Entlich
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| Quote: | Especially on the network-capable printers, I don't ever recall
having to install a product-specific driver on any computer that
sent print jobs to the printer. Or even tell anything what model
printer it was, beyond "Postscript". Good thing, too, since I doubt
there'd be an available driver for a DEC Alpha. Of course, if it's
got network access to the internet, it can get time from NTP.
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Many printers use manufacturer's drivers, and those "in box" drivers
from the OS... they are also mainly written by the manufacturers but are
included on the OS disks.
However, as I have made the statement before, the printer can leave the
factory with a battery incorporated chip which keep the date and time
for over 10 years.
Art
Gordon Burditt wrote:
| Quote: | I use to work for Xerox, and I've spent most of my life working in or around
businesses like Grumman Allied, Homerwood, PPG, Channelock, smaller
manufacturing (tool and die) shops, lawyers offices, hospitals, county
library systems, court houses, police stations and city offices, oil
industry logging and perforating operations, forrestry services, jewelers,
card shops, mom and pop type computer stores and public internet access
points, and even one ISP. I'd say off the top of my head, about 85% of
these consider properly configured equipment an issue. That includes having
proper times and dates displayed when needed.
But if the copier has a clock with *NO KNOWN FUNCTION*, who would
bother to set it? If they even knew it existed? Now, if they were
actually using a log of who copied how much, or used a fax transmission
log often, or whatever, they'd worry more about it. But I don't
recall working at or seeing a place where you had to identify
yourself to the copier to make copies, and just a time log of copies
made with no added data seems rather worthless.
In some cases it's a primary concern. Like medical and legal applications
for instance. And in some cases it's absolutely essential.
Medical applications read funny squares of yellow dots in a code
that's only recently been cracked?
It's also
essential in many cases where a business has a service contract with their
copier or printer vendor.
Why? Are you saying the copier's clock is the only thing capable
of determining when the warranty or service contract expires?
If it's network-connected it can probably find out, say, from a
server at the printer manufacturer. If it's a low-end printer
connected through a parallel port to a computer, how would it
get the date?
From the PC it's connected to.
What software on the PC does that? A generic driver for a printer
isn't going to know how to set time on a large variety of printers
that MIGHT be connected, and it doesn't have a way of guessing
which one really is connected.
Most printer drivers are hardware centric if not hardware specific. That's
why they're product specific drivers. And in many cases we're not talking
about "drivers" in the home user sense, but full blown networking
applications.
Especially on the network-capable printers, I don't ever recall
having to install a product-specific driver on any computer that
sent print jobs to the printer. Or even tell anything what model
printer it was, beyond "Postscript". Good thing, too, since I doubt
there'd be an available driver for a DEC Alpha. Of course, if it's
got network access to the internet, it can get time from NTP.
If it's a standalone copier, same issue?
From the person who maintains that copier.
People MAINTAIN copiers? You mean some company management actually
PAY for stuff like service contracts?
Many do. In fact most, once you get out of the realm of smaller shops or
shops where paper documents aren't as important as they might be in a more
"office" environment. And with some manufacturer's brands and models it's
absolutely essential. You have no choices.
FWIW, there's some very valid reasons for having copiers and other
standalone hardware know accurate times and dates. Businesses generally
like to keep track on such things, for instance.
So what does a business do with the clock that's useful? The copier
produces a log of when it is used? And perhaps who used it, as
identified by some code or key?
Track workloads and document creation times, date stamp hard copy and
electronic transmissions like faxes, schedule jobs, calculate completion
and delivery times, help document/manage QC, schedule maintenance, you
know... things that might revolve around or be affected by time.
Are you saying that there are copiers (not computer printers or fax
machines) that automatically stick the date and time on the copy
when it is made? In a form that's actually human-readable, not
some secret square of yellow dots? I've never heard of a copier
having that feature. Fax machines, yes, copiers, no. And I'd
consider it a real problem if it couldn't be turned off for at least
some copying jobs like, say, advertising flyers.
I don't see how a time stamp produced by a copier (not fax machine)
on the copy is going to help in scheduling jobs or maintenance, or
help in managing QC. Yes, having a time stamp on when you sent something
is useful.
Gordon L. Burditt
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Jeffrey F. Bloss
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Gordon Burditt wrote:
| Quote: | But if the copier has a clock with *NO KNOWN FUNCTION*, who would
bother to set it? If they even knew it existed? Now, if they were
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If a keyboard had a 'Shift' key with no known function, why would people
bother to properly capitalize propper names and the beginnings of
sentences?
What's your point here... that because some people can't find their 'Shift'
key, they're all useless?
| Quote: | actually using a log of who copied how much, or used a fax transmission
log often, or whatever, they'd worry more about it. But I don't
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Depending on your location, sending a fax without a time stamp and
identification may be a crime.
| Quote: | recall working at or seeing a place where you had to identify
yourself to the copier to make copies, and just a time log of copies
made with no added data seems rather worthless.
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I know of scores of places where you have to "identify" yourself to a
copier. Offices that track copier usage by job, and places that charge
individuals or departments for copier use comprise most of them. But I was
in an manufacturer's facility once where the office "document management
tool" (Yeah, I know) was used to help comply with a quality audit trail
demanded by Mil Specs. The time and date a document was printed became an
issue, and the printer's date signature was one of the accepted
"centralized" sources of date stamps that helped satisfy that requirement.
| Quote: | In some cases it's a primary concern. Like medical and legal applications
for instance. And in some cases it's absolutely essential.
Medical applications read funny squares of yellow dots in a code
that's only recently been cracked?
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Cute. The context was office equipment needing to know about the time, and
you managed to wriggle in "identity" on top of that. Now you're playing
kids games and bringing up dot patterns again.
That's one bombast and one tap dance... :-(
| Quote: | It's also
essential in many cases where a business has a service contract with their
copier or printer vendor.
Why? Are you saying the copier's clock is the only thing capable
of determining when the warranty or service contract expires?
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Nope. I'm saying that's the way it's done because the feature's there, and
it's easier or even better than doing it another way.
| Quote: | Most printer drivers are hardware centric if not hardware specific. That's
why they're product specific drivers. And in many cases we're not talking
about "drivers" in the home user sense, but full blown networking
applications.
Especially on the network-capable printers, I don't ever recall
having to install a product-specific driver on any computer that
sent print jobs to the printer. Or even tell anything what model
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Huh???
I don't ever remember *not* having to install printer drivers for a
networked printer, Gordon. Yeah, in modern times operating systems come
with quite a few serviceable drivers for a large number of common printers,
but if you're telling a workstation about the existence of a printer
anywhere on the network, installing drivers is *exactly* what you're doing.
| Quote: | printer it was, beyond "Postscript". Good thing, too, since
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"Postscript" is a driver. If you're installing all your networked printers
as Postscript printers you're either in an environment that doesn't allow
anything else, or you're too lazy or inexperienced to install printers
properly. Sadly, in many cases where printers are installed as Postscript
devices alone, the latter scenario is the case.
| Quote: | I doubt
there'd be an available driver for a DEC Alpha.
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You do realize that you're talking about a hardware platform not an OS or
any other software, right? And that among other operating systems,
Alpha-based machines run NT, Right?
Maybe *your* shop is one of the minority situations where specific drivers
aren't available for your printers on your platform/OS, and I can think of
several scenarios where that would be the case, but you are just that... an
exception. In the vast majority of cases drivers are available, and need to
be installed. In a lot of scenarios it's impossible to do it any other way,
especially with newer, networkable equipment.
| Quote: | Track workloads and document creation times, date stamp hard copy and
electronic transmissions like faxes, schedule jobs, calculate completion
and delivery times, help document/manage QC, schedule maintenance, you
know... things that might revolve around or be affected by time.
Are you saying that there are copiers (not computer printers or fax
machines) that automatically stick the date and time on the copy
when it is made? In a form that's actually human-readable, not
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Yup. Many of them do in fact have the ability. Many are multifunction
devices that handle Print/FAX/Copy in fact. In most cases time stamping is
hardly ever used except when that machine is used as a fax machine. But I
can cite exceptions like a lawyer's office that used access codes and
optional date stamping to denote copies of a document from the original. It
was necessary because both were created on the same machine in many cases.
| Quote: | some secret square of yellow dots? I've never heard of a copier
having that feature. Fax machines, yes, copiers, no. And I'd
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As I've tried to point out, your experience seems to be "limited".
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Hand crafted on October 21, 2005 at 06:44:05 -0400
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Arthur Entlich
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject:
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I just did a Google search on "Rod Speed" and toward the end of this
posting are some of the most common type of results.
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But boy, do I have "egg on my face" and need a towel to get it all off!
I've been such a "spectacular fool"! But, I've found "the balls" to
admit I've made an error!
I found proof positive that Rod Speed is real! He just happens, in most
cases, to be a piece of machinery.
In fact, he is so very much a machine, that his limited personality has
been captured! His annoying, repetitive (obviously preprogrammed
function keys) and nearly completely mindless banter has been captured
as a "Personality Bot". You can "play" with him also, at the url below:
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www.sensationbot.com/chat-rodspeed.html
Description:
Rod Speed chat [M 15+] - Rod Speed is a well known USENET personality.
His idiosyncratic robot-like ravings cause both frustration and
enjoyment to newbies and oldies alike. This personality was created from
actual messages posted by Rod.
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I tried it, and you know what? This little program, which would easily
run on about 2 human neurons (one for back-up), carried on a more
intelligent (although very reminiscent) conversation with me than the
"real" Rod Speed has.
So, here's my suggestion... you can killfile the "real" Rod Speed, and
when you want to hear some of his "cute" repetitive "wota wanker" or
"Pathetic, really" or "You're a liar" phrases, just click on the url and
fill in the blank with anything at all, and just like the real Rod
Speed, it will come back with one of his famous wit-less-cisms!
Think of the time you'll save not having to fish through hundreds of his
postings which do the same thing anyway!
Gee, I'm so jealous, I wish my full personality could be portrayed in a
10 line bot script, too!
Art
And Rod, if you are reading this... you really ought to meet Measekite
on comp.periphs.printers The two of you are like peas in a rod, I mean
pod, and I'm sure you'd get a long spectacularly (or not).
Here are what most of the Google entries for "Rod Speed" look like:
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R&M Energy Systems: Moyno Ultra-Drive Drive Heads
Maximum Polished Rod Speed, 460 rpm, 600 rpm, 600 rpm. Standard Thrust
Bearing,
13700 lbs. 13700 lbs. 17840 lbs. Maximum Driven Sheave, 16", 25",
31-1/2" ...
www.rmenergy.com/products/moyno_ultradrive.html - 17k - Cached - Similar
pages
[PDF] R&M Energy Systems
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Rod Speed. Maximum Axial Load. 33000 lbs. 56000 lbs. 33000 lbs.
Maximum Driven.
31.5. 31.5. 24. Sheave. Wellhead Connection. Flanged or Pin ...
www.rmenergy.com/literature/moyno_dwp/moyultr.pdf - Similar pages
[ More results from www.rmenergy.com ]
James Walker Group - Reciprocating Pumps/Rams
Maximum rod speed: 1.5m/s. Also used on centrifugal pumps and valves. ...
Maximim rod speed: 1m/s. Also suitable for valves and reciprocating
pumps. ...
www.jameswalker.biz/group/categories/reciprocating_pumps-rams.html - 76k
- Cached - Similar pages
Series TD Air/Oil Tandem Tie rod Cylinder
The Tandem Cylinder provides close, smooth control of piston rod speed
even with
changing external loads. The unit is air powered while the hydraulic ...
www.phdinc.com/products/info.asp?productseries=101 - 44k - Cached -
Similar pages
Air Production Equipment
Rod Speed Reduction. To control the downward speed of double-acting
presses ...
Quick exhaust valves (QEVs) increase press rod speed by allowing exhaust
air ...
www.techsavvy.com/industry/file/national/08809/mea06.html?id=118926&comp_id=08809&base_region=*
- 9k - Cached - Similar pages
The Kerry Company, Inc.
1/4 to 25 hp. Rod Speed .125 to 12"/sec, Max Stroke 36 in. Rod Speed .25
to 18"/sec,
Max Stroke 240 in. Rod Speed As Required, Max Stroke 360 deg. ...
www.kerryactuator.com/sitehtml/specs.php - 20k - 19 Oct 2005 - Cached -
Similar pages
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Rod Speed wrote:
| Quote: | Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote
Do you think "Rod Speed" is this person's real name?
I know it is.
If not, what is he/she hiding?
Not hiding a damned thing.
Obviously, the use of an alias is grounds alone for suspicion, especially from
someone who otherwise claims he/she has nothing to hide...
Have you the remotest concept of how silly you look
in the eyes of those who know that it is my name ?
I'm sure this person will have no problem if we use the tools
available to determine who they really are, where they are living,
their affiliations, income, marital status, phone number, job, and
medical condition, and I'm sure they have no legal entanglements. While we are
at it, let's also do a bit of digging about any spouse,
parents, children, siblings... you get it.
Dig away. Hope you have a towel ready to use on your face, you'll need it.
So, perhaps a group of better qualified than I "explorers and discoverers"
might wish to take on Rod Speed as a project and see what there is to be
found?
Its been done and even someone as stupid
as you should be able to find the results.
Better have that towel handy...
Remember, he/she has nothing to hide.
I havent.
DISCLAIMER: I am not actually advocating anyone who reads this do any "spying"
on "Rod Speed",
Liar.
but I would like "Rod Speed" to consider why this digging of information might
sound ominous and threatening.
It doesnt. I use my real name for a reason.
Hope that towel is a large one.
Gunna be interesting to see if you actually have the balls to
admit to what a spectacular fool you have just made of yourself.
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Davy
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject:
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quote][quote="Arthur Entlich" there are integrated chips with internal
batteries made for computers such as
laptops and other devices that maintain date and time information and
run for 10 or more years without outside power.
Here is an example:
http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/MBD006AA/00000132.shtml
Art
[/quote]
These are dedicated chip's and known as RTCC 'Real Time Clock Chip''
containing an on board supply, 3V being typical, the current
consumption being a few ľA (micro amperes) or 1 millionth of an amp
some containing a calendar.
These are not just used in computers and laptops... I've seen these in
time-lapse video recorders used for security purposes.
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William Souden
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject:
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Rod Speed wrote:
| Quote: | Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote
Do you think "Rod Speed" is this person's real name?
I know it is.
If not, what is he/she hiding?
Not hiding a damned thing.
Obviously, the use of an alias is grounds alone for suspicion, especially from
someone who otherwise claims he/she has nothing to hide...
Have you the remotest concept of how silly you look
in the eyes of those who know that it is my name ?
I'm sure this person will have no problem if we use the tools
available to determine who they really are, where they are living,
their affiliations, income, marital status, phone number, job, and
medical condition, and I'm sure they have no legal entanglements. While we are
at it, let's also do a bit of digging about any spouse,
parents, children, siblings... you get it.
Dig away. Hope you have a towel ready to use on your face, you'll need it.
So, perhaps a group of better qualified than I "explorers and discoverers"
might wish to take on Rod Speed as a project and see what there is to be
found?
Its been done and even someone as stupid
as you should be able to find the results.
Better have that towel handy...
Remember, he/she has nothing to hide.
I havent.
Only things he hides is that is is a semi-literate grade school drop |
out, unemployable welfare recipient with no friends,money.life or future
who can never admit to error. |
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Rod Speed
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject:
Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you |
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote
| Quote: | I just did a Google search on "Rod Speed" and toward the end of this posting
are some of the most common type of results.
===========================
But boy, do I have "egg on my face" and need a towel to get it all off!
I've been such a "spectacular fool"! But, I've found "the balls" to admit
I've made an error!
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But clearly not the balls to leave it at that, it has to engage in the
sort of juvenile behaviour that any 2 year old could leave for dead.
Cant even manage an original line for itself, or anything else at all, either.
<reams of puerile shit spewed by silly little children that
have got done like a fucking dinner flushed where it belongs>
| Quote: | Here are what most of the Google entries for "Rod Speed" look like:
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Irrelevant, and that aint the from field, stupid.
| Quote: | Rod Speed wrote:
Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote
Do you think "Rod Speed" is this person's real name?
I know it is.
If not, what is he/she hiding?
Not hiding a damned thing.
Obviously, the use of an alias is grounds alone for suspicion,
especially from someone who otherwise claims he/she has nothing to
hide...
Have you the remotest concept of how silly you look
in the eyes of those who know that it is my name ?
I'm sure this person will have no problem if we use the tools
available to determine who they really are, where they are living,
their affiliations, income, marital status, phone number, job, and
medical condition, and I'm sure they have no legal entanglements.
While we are at it, let's also do a bit of digging about any spouse,
parents, children, siblings... you get it.
Dig away. Hope you have a towel ready to use on your face, you'll
need it.
So, perhaps a group of better qualified than I "explorers and
discoverers" might wish to take on Rod Speed as a project and see
what there is to be found?
Its been done and even someone as stupid
as you should be able to find the results.
Better have that towel handy...
Remember, he/she has nothing to hide.
I havent.
DISCLAIMER: I am not actually advocating anyone who reads this do
any "spying" on "Rod Speed",
Liar.
but I would like "Rod Speed" to consider why this digging of
information might sound ominous and threatening.
It doesnt. I use my real name for a reason.
Hope that towel is a large one.
Gunna be interesting to see if you actually have the balls to
admit to what a spectacular fool you have just made of yourself. |
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