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Arthur Entlich
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

It's called humor Rodney, something you apparently have difficulty
assimilating.

There's a reason I did a search beyond looking at the "from" field. I
wanted to see what else was out there, and I never would have found that
great "personality bot" that emulates you, had I restricted the search!

Further still, none of your postings prove you aren't using a pseudonym,
in fact, as far as I can determine, you could still be using one. You
may just be consistent about it. If I were you, I'd use one. ;-)

In fairness to all the groups that these messages are being cross posted
to who don't deserve to being subjected to any more of this foolishness
(including my own!) I'm ending my part in this thread right here.

You take care, Rod.

Really Pathetically,

Art

Rod Speed wrote:

Quote:

Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote

I just did a Google search on "Rod Speed" and toward the end of this posting
are some of the most common type of results.

===========================

But boy, do I have "egg on my face" and need a towel to get it all off!

I've been such a "spectacular fool"! But, I've found "the balls" to admit
I've made an error!

But clearly not the balls to leave it at that, it has to engage in the
sort of juvenile behaviour that any 2 year old could leave for dead.

Cant even manage an original line for itself, or anything else at all, either.

reams of puerile shit spewed by silly little children that
have got done like a fucking dinner flushed where it belongs

Here are what most of the Google entries for "Rod Speed" look like:

Irrelevant, and that aint the from field, stupid.

Rod Speed
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote

Quote:

It's called humor Rodney,

Its actually called pathetic excuse for bullshit.

Quote:

something you apparently have difficulty assimilating.

Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.

Quote:

There's a reason I did a search beyond looking at the "from" field.

SURE there is.

Quote:

I wanted to see what else was out there,

SURE you did.

<reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs>

Quote:

Further still, none of your postings prove you aren't using a pseudonym, in
fact, as far as I can determine, you could still be using one.

More fool you.

Quote:

You may just be consistent about it.

Couldnt even manage to work that one out, either.

<reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs>

Quote:

In fairness to all the groups that these messages are being cross posted to
who don't deserve to being subjected to any more of this foolishness
(including my own!)

Just your own, actually.

Quote:

I'm ending my part in this thread right here.

A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

Dont make a mess of the carpet, now.

<reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs>

Quote:

Rod Speed wrote:

Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote

I just did a Google search on "Rod Speed" and toward the end of
this posting are some of the most common type of results.

===========================

But boy, do I have "egg on my face" and need a towel to get it all
off!

I've been such a "spectacular fool"! But, I've found "the balls"
to admit I've made an error!

But clearly not the balls to leave it at that, it has to engage in
the sort of juvenile behaviour that any 2 year old could leave for dead.

Cant even manage an original line for itself, or anything else at
all, either. <reams of puerile shit spewed by silly little children that
have got done like a fucking dinner flushed where it belongs

Here are what most of the Google entries for "Rod Speed" look like:

Irrelevant, and that aint the from field, stupid.

William Sopuden
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

Rod Speed wrote:

Quote:

Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote

It's called humor Rodney,

Rod, who is a joke, is humor impaired.

Quote:

Its actually called pathetic excuse for bullshit.

something you apparently have difficulty assimilating.

Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.

Except for a career welfare boy.

Quote:

There's a reason I did a search beyond looking at the "from" field.

SURE there is.

I wanted to see what else was out there,

SURE you did.

reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs

That is your full time job,flushing. It is what you say whenever
facts fail you, i.e. almost always.

Quote:

Further still, none of your postings prove you aren't using a pseudonym, in
fact, as far as I can determine, you could still be using one.

More fool you.

You may just be consistent about it.

Couldnt even manage to work that one out, either.

Work?Rod?

Quote:

reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs

see above.

Quote:

In fairness to all the groups that these messages are being cross posted to
who don't deserve to being subjected to any more of this foolishness
(including my own!)

Just your own, actually.

I'm ending my part in this thread right here.

A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

Dont make a mess of the carpet, now.

reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs

ditto.

Quote:

traveler
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

Rod Speed wrote:

Quote:

Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote:

Yes, that is yet another aspect of invasion of privacy. It tends to
get "sloppy".

First, it's surveillance cameras that one bonded guard watches for
security against theft in a store. Next, it's tape recorded images
that are kept for 24 hours and reviewed by an employee. Then it's
videotaped archives kept for months or years and available to anyone
in the bosses office. And soon, before you know it, the bathroom or
dressing room tapes are uploaded to a web site, or the tapes are
tossed when a new boss takes over, who changes the system to DVD-RW
and doesn't bother to erase the tapes and they end up in the hands of
someone picking through the garbage, or someone who bought the stuff
at auction.
People tend to get sloppy and cavalier with other people's personal
information over time, and then innocent people get hurt.

And FAR more often nothing like that ever happens.

ClubCX wrote:

It's not just the government. These yellow 'signatures' have been
decoded by other groups now, and that information will soon become
public knowledge. Everybody will be able to determine the source of
a document and take whatever retribution against the author they
like.

Here's a list of printers that do and don't, from an article I found
from EFF:

List of Printers Which Do or Don't Print Tracking Dots
Last updated: October 13, 2005

This is a list in progress of color laser printer models that do or do
not print yellow tracking dots on their output.
Remember that a "no" simply means that we couldn't see yellow dots; it
does not prove that there is no forensic watermarking present. (For
example, the HP Color LaserJET 8500 series does not include any yellow
tracking dots that we can see, but it may still include some kind of
forensic marking, since the majority of earlier CLJ models did.)
Remember that a "yes" simply means that we (or another source, as noted)
saw yellow dots that appeared anomalous to us. Until we decipher the
marking schemes or receive other confirmation, this does not constitute
proof that any particular kind of information is represented by these
dots. In a very few cases, for example, they might be the result of a
poor dithering technique, rather than a forensic mark.
Thanks to our friends at software firms and symphonies, public schools
and physics labs, semiconductor fabs and ice cream parlors, in about a
dozen countries around the world.
We use the following codes to indicate the source of this information.
[exp] = EFF looked at printer output under a blue light
[mfr] = manufacturer said printer prints tracking codes;
[press] = press report said printer prints tracking codes.

Brother yes
· HL-4200CN [exp]
Canon yes
· CLC 1000 [exp]
· CLC 2400 [exp]
· CLC 4000 [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3100CN [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3200 [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3220 [exp]
Dell yes
· 3000cn [exp]
· 3100cn [exp]
· 5100cn [exp]
Epson AcuLaser yes
· C900 [exp]
· C1100 [exp]
· C1100 [press]
· C1500 [exp]
· C1900 [exp]
HP Color LaserJet no
· 2250ln [exp (??)]
· 4500 [exp]
· 4500dn [exp]
· 4500n [exp]
· 4550 [exp]
· 4550n [exp]
· 5M [exp]
· 8500 [exp]
· 8550 [exp]
· 8550dn [exp]
· 8550gn [exp]
HP Color LaserJet yes
· 1500l [exp]
· 2500 [exp]
· 2500n [exp]
· 2550l [exp]
· 2550n [exp]
· 2600n [exp]
· 2680 [exp]
· 2840 [exp]
· 3500 [exp]
· 3500n [exp]
· 3600dn [exp]
· 3700 [exp]
· 3700dn [exp]
· 3700n [exp]
· 4600 [exp]
· 4600dn [exp]
· 4600hdn [exp]
· 4600n [exp]
· 4650 [exp]
· 4650dn [exp]
· 4650dtn [exp]
· 5100cn [exp]
· 5500 [exp]
· 5500atn [exp]
· 5500dn [exp]
· 5500hdn [exp]
· 5550 [exp]
· 5550dtn [exp]
· 9500 [exp]
· 9500hdn [exp]
IBM unclear
· Infoprint Color 1454 [exp] {dithering algorithm?}
Konica/Minolta unclear
· DialtaColor CF 2001 [exp] {dithering algorithm?}
Konica/Minolta yes
· Bizhub C350 [exp]
· CF1501 [exp]
· Colorforce 8050 [exp]
· Desklaser 2200 [exp]
· DialtaColor CF 2001 [exp]
· Ikon CPP500E [exp]
· Magicolor 2210 [exp]
· Magicolor 2300 DL [exp]
· Magicolor 2430 DL [exp]
· Magicolor 3300 [exp]
· Magicolor 7300 [exp]
Kyocera yes
· FS-C5016N [exp]
Lanier yes
· LD238C [exp]
· LP125cx/LP126cn [exp]
Lexmark no
· C720 [exp (??)]
Lexmark yes
· C510 [exp]
· C720 [exp]
· C912 [exp]
Minolta: see Konica/Minolta Oki/OkiDATA no
· C5150 [exp]
· C5150n [exp]
· C5300 [exp]
· C7200 [exp]
· C7350 [exp]
· C9300 [exp]
Ricoh: see also Savin Ricoh yes
· Aficio CL 3000 [exp]
· Aficio CL 6010 [exp]
· Aficio CL 7000 [exp]
· AP 206 [exp]
Samsung no
· CLP-510 [exp]
· CLP-500 [exp]
· CLP-550 [exp]
Savin yes
· C3210 [exp]
· CLP35 [exp]
Tektronix: see Xerox/Tektronix Toshiba yes
· eStudio 210c [mfr]
· eStudio 310c [mfr]
· eStudio 311c [mfr]
· eStudio 211c [mfr]
· eStudio 2100c [mfr]
· eStudio 3100c [mfr]
· eStudio 3511 [exp]
· FC15i [mfr]
· FC15 [mfr]
· FC22i [mfr]
· FC22 [mfr]
· FC25Pi [mfr]
· FC25P [mfr]
· FC70 [mfr]
Xerox yes
· DocuColor 12 [exp]
· DocuColor 40 [exp]
· DocuColor 2045 [exp]
· DocuColor 2000 [mfr]
· DocuColor 6060 [mfr]
· DocuColor 6060 [exp]
· WorkCentre M24 [exp]
· WorkCentre Pro all models [press]
· WorkCenter Pro 40 [exp]
· WorkCenter Pro C2636 [exp]
Xerox/Tektronix Phaser no
· 560 [exp]
· 740 [exp]
· 750 (Z750V) [exp]
· 750P [exp]
· 780 [exp]
· 850DP [exp]
· 860DP [exp]
· 6100 [exp]
· 6200 [exp]
· 6200DP [exp]
· 6250DP [exp]
· 7700 [exp]
· 8200DP [exp]
· 8200DX [exp]
Xerox/Tektronix Phaser unclear
· 8400B [exp?] {dithering algorithm?}
· 8400DP [exp]
· 8440DP [exp?] {dithering algorithm?}
· 8400DX [exp]
8

me@privacy.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

In message <43578b65.2611409@news.ucalgary.ca>, GEOMe@home.here.invalid
writes

Quote:

Millions? Ok, one million would be 50.000 twenty dollar bills, and
if 'millions' means at leat two, then it would mean printing at least
100.000 twenty dollar bills. That would cost a fortune in yellow
ink!

Leaving aside that you are presumably thinking of only the yellow ink
for the dot pattern, I reckon you would get six notes to a page, so
about 10,000 pages need printing, to me that's about two bottles of
toner.

I shoved a note (twenty pounds sterling) in my machine to see what it
did and it was quite cunning in that it just printed out the magenta
image and not the CYK parts of the copy, but if I enlarged it slightly
it would copy quite happily. Unsurprisingly there's no copy protection
in my 1920s German 1,000,000,000 mark note.

--
Timothy

me@privacy.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

In message <1280688.TZZNHlxygJ@wrench.yi.org>, Jeffrey F. Bloss
<jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> writes

Quote:

And that's just for bottom end printer buyers. The people who can walk into
Wal*Mart or Office Max and leave with a cash sale "SOHO" or "Entry Level"
printer. There's a whole world of mid range to upper end equipment you
can't even touch without dealing with a company rep, and *usually* signing
a service contract.

Unless you get an end of contract one, repossessed, bankrupt stock or

the like.

--
Timothy

Rod Speed
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

traveler <noreply@nym.alias.net> wrote

Quote:

Rod Speed wrote
Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote

Yes, that is yet another aspect of invasion of privacy. It tends to get
"sloppy".

First, it's surveillance cameras that one bonded guard watches for
security against theft in a store. Next, it's tape recorded images
that are kept for 24 hours and reviewed by an employee. Then it's
videotaped archives kept for months or years and available to anyone
in the bosses office. And soon, before you know it, the bathroom or
dressing room tapes are uploaded to a web site, or the tapes are
tossed when a new boss takes over, who changes the system to DVD-RW
and doesn't bother to erase the tapes and they end up in the hands
of someone picking through the garbage, or someone who bought the
stuff at auction.
People tend to get sloppy and cavalier with other people's personal
information over time, and then innocent people get hurt.

And FAR more often nothing like that ever happens.

Quote:

ClubCX wrote:

It's not just the government. These yellow 'signatures' have been
decoded by other groups now, and that information will soon become
public knowledge. Everybody will be able to determine the source of a
document and take whatever retribution against the author they like.

Here's a list of printers that do and don't, from an article I found from EFF:

http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/list.php

Quote:

List of Printers Which Do or Don't Print Tracking Dots
Last updated: October 13, 2005

This is a list in progress of color laser printer models that do or do
not print yellow tracking dots on their output.
Remember that a "no" simply means that we couldn't see yellow dots; it
does not prove that there is no forensic watermarking present. (For
example, the HP Color LaserJET 8500 series does not include any yellow
tracking dots that we can see, but it may still include some kind of
forensic marking, since the majority of earlier CLJ models did.)
Remember that a "yes" simply means that we (or another source, as
noted) saw yellow dots that appeared anomalous to us. Until we
decipher the marking schemes or receive other confirmation, this does
not constitute proof that any particular kind of information is
represented by these dots. In a very few cases, for example, they
might be the result of a poor dithering technique, rather than a
forensic mark. Thanks to our friends at software firms and symphonies, public
schools
and physics labs, semiconductor fabs and ice cream parlors, in about a
dozen countries around the world.
We use the following codes to indicate the source of this information.
[exp] = EFF looked at printer output under a blue light
[mfr] = manufacturer said printer prints tracking codes;
[press] = press report said printer prints tracking codes.

Brother yes
· HL-4200CN [exp]
Canon yes
· CLC 1000 [exp]
· CLC 2400 [exp]
· CLC 4000 [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3100CN [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3200 [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3220 [exp]
Dell yes
· 3000cn [exp]
· 3100cn [exp]
· 5100cn [exp]
Epson AcuLaser yes
· C900 [exp]
· C1100 [exp]
· C1100 [press]
· C1500 [exp]
· C1900 [exp]
HP Color LaserJet no
· 2250ln [exp (??)]
· 4500 [exp]
· 4500dn [exp]
· 4500n [exp]
· 4550 [exp]
· 4550n [exp]
· 5M [exp]
· 8500 [exp]
· 8550 [exp]
· 8550dn [exp]
· 8550gn [exp]
HP Color LaserJet yes
· 1500l [exp]
· 2500 [exp]
· 2500n [exp]
· 2550l [exp]
· 2550n [exp]
· 2600n [exp]
· 2680 [exp]
· 2840 [exp]
· 3500 [exp]
· 3500n [exp]
· 3600dn [exp]
· 3700 [exp]
· 3700dn [exp]
· 3700n [exp]
· 4600 [exp]
· 4600dn [exp]
· 4600hdn [exp]
· 4600n [exp]
· 4650 [exp]
· 4650dn [exp]
· 4650dtn [exp]
· 5100cn [exp]
· 5500 [exp]
· 5500atn [exp]
· 5500dn [exp]
· 5500hdn [exp]
· 5550 [exp]
· 5550dtn [exp]
· 9500 [exp]
· 9500hdn [exp]
IBM unclear
· Infoprint Color 1454 [exp] {dithering algorithm?}
Konica/Minolta unclear
· DialtaColor CF 2001 [exp] {dithering algorithm?}
Konica/Minolta yes
· Bizhub C350 [exp]
· CF1501 [exp]
· Colorforce 8050 [exp]
· Desklaser 2200 [exp]
· DialtaColor CF 2001 [exp]
· Ikon CPP500E [exp]
· Magicolor 2210 [exp]
· Magicolor 2300 DL [exp]
· Magicolor 2430 DL [exp]
· Magicolor 3300 [exp]
· Magicolor 7300 [exp]
Kyocera yes
· FS-C5016N [exp]
Lanier yes
· LD238C [exp]
· LP125cx/LP126cn [exp]
Lexmark no
· C720 [exp (??)]
Lexmark yes
· C510 [exp]
· C720 [exp]
· C912 [exp]
Minolta: see Konica/Minolta Oki/OkiDATA no
· C5150 [exp]
· C5150n [exp]
· C5300 [exp]
· C7200 [exp]
· C7350 [exp]
· C9300 [exp]
Ricoh: see also Savin Ricoh yes
· Aficio CL 3000 [exp]
· Aficio CL 6010 [exp]
· Aficio CL 7000 [exp]
· AP 206 [exp]
Samsung no
· CLP-510 [exp]
· CLP-500 [exp]
· CLP-550 [exp]
Savin yes
· C3210 [exp]
· CLP35 [exp]
Tektronix: see Xerox/Tektronix Toshiba yes
· eStudio 210c [mfr]
· eStudio 310c [mfr]
· eStudio 311c [mfr]
· eStudio 211c [mfr]
· eStudio 2100c [mfr]
· eStudio 3100c [mfr]
· eStudio 3511 [exp]
· FC15i [mfr]
· FC15 [mfr]
· FC22i [mfr]
· FC22 [mfr]
· FC25Pi [mfr]
· FC25P [mfr]
· FC70 [mfr]
Xerox yes
· DocuColor 12 [exp]
· DocuColor 40 [exp]
· DocuColor 2045 [exp]
· DocuColor 2000 [mfr]
· DocuColor 6060 [mfr]
· DocuColor 6060 [exp]
· WorkCentre M24 [exp]
· WorkCentre Pro all models [press]
· WorkCenter Pro 40 [exp]
· WorkCenter Pro C2636 [exp]
Xerox/Tektronix Phaser no
· 560 [exp]
· 740 [exp]
· 750 (Z750V) [exp]
· 750P [exp]
· 780 [exp]
· 850DP [exp]
· 860DP [exp]
· 6100 [exp]
· 6200 [exp]
· 6200DP [exp]
· 6250DP [exp]
· 7700 [exp]
· 8200DP [exp]
· 8200DX [exp]
Xerox/Tektronix Phaser unclear
· 8400B [exp?] {dithering algorithm?}
· 8400DP [exp]
· 8440DP [exp?] {dithering algorithm?}
· 8400DX [exp]

Interesting list, particularly the number that arent US manufacturers.

I welcome whatever is done to do something about those who
use those printers to conterfeit currency and documents myself.

I dont care about any purported infringement of my 'privacy' etc.

me@privacy.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

In message <4359cf94$0$20288$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>, traveler
<noreply@nym.alias.net> writes

Quote:

Here's a list of printers that do and don't, from an article I found
from EFF:
Canon yes
· CLC 1000 [exp]
· CLC 2400 [exp]
· CLC 4000 [exp]
That's very jolly, it doesn't mention my CLC 950, which probably means

they didn't try one.

Quote:

Xerox/Tektronix Phaser no
· 8200DP [exp]
I'm in the clear with this one!

Quick let me go and get the isntructions to build myself a tin-foil
helmet.

--
Timothy

Jeffrey F. Bloss
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

me@privacy.net wrote:

Quote:

In message <1280688.TZZNHlxygJ@wrench.yi.org>, Jeffrey F. Bloss
jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> writes

And that's just for bottom end printer buyers. The people who can walk
into Wal*Mart or Office Max and leave with a cash sale "SOHO" or "Entry
Level" printer. There's a whole world of mid range to upper end equipment
you can't even touch without dealing with a company rep, and *usually*
signing a service contract.

Unless you get an end of contract one, repossessed, bankrupt stock or
the like.

End of contract and repossessed means you're dealing with the OEM or
retailer anyway. And they'll keep the same records as they would with a new
unit. Bankruptcy sales are typically conducted by third parties, and
*they'll* have a record of almost every model and serial number. :(

You might be able to pick up an anonymous unit some place, but that doesn't
change the fact that every page you print has your "signature" on it. Even
if it's not used, it's an insidious thing in and of itself. More so because
it was done behind your back.

--
Hand crafted on October 22, 2005 at 07:25:27 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

me@privacy.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

In message <1293563.JibD9Lm7lM@wrench.yi.org>, Jeffrey F. Bloss
<jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> writes

Quote:

Should we complain about the copy protection built in, that doesn't
allow me to make a copy of a bank note.

--
Timothy

Jeffrey F. Bloss
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

me@privacy.net wrote:

Quote:

In message <1293563.JibD9Lm7lM@wrench.yi.org>, Jeffrey F. Bloss
jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> writes
End of contract and repossessed means you're dealing with the OEM or
retailer anyway. And they'll keep the same records as they would with a
new unit. Bankruptcy sales are typically conducted by third parties, and
*they'll* have a record of almost every model and serial number. :(

You might be able to pick up an anonymous unit some place, but that
doesn't change the fact that every page you print has your "signature" on
it. Even if it's not used, it's an insidious thing in and of itself. More
so because it was done behind your back.

Should we complain about the copy protection built in, that doesn't
allow me to make a copy of a bank note.

Of course. You should complain about *any* back room trickery perpetrated by
a government with the complicity of corporate America, on the citizens both
those entities are suppose to be serving in their own way. And the size of
that complaint should vary according to the size of the offense.

Does knowledge of these dot pattern identifications make printers or copiers
any more able to produce forged money?

Does knowledge of Photoshop's (?) inability to faithfully reproduce images
of money make it any more capable of doing so?

What negative impact does knowledge have on these technologies?

The answer is obviously "only one"... it removes the ability of "government"
to serveil an unsuspecting public with impunity.

--
Hand crafted on October 22, 2005 at 08:42:51 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

Rod Speed
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

Jeffrey F. Bloss <jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote

Quote:

me@privacy.net wrote
Jeffrey F. Bloss <jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote

And that's just for bottom end printer buyers. The people who
can walk into Wal*Mart or Office Max and leave with a cash sale
"SOHO" or "Entry Level" printer. There's a whole world of mid
range to upper end equipment you can't even touch without dealing
with a company rep, and *usually* signing a service contract.

Unless you get an end of contract one,
repossessed, bankrupt stock or the like.

End of contract and repossessed means you're
dealing with the OEM or retailer anyway. And they'll
keep the same records as they would with a new unit.

Fat lot of good that will do them, its completely trivial
to ensure that that data wont be any use to them.

Quote:

Bankruptcy sales are typically conducted by third parties, and
*they'll* have a record of almost every model and serial number. :(

But not necessarily any useful info on who it got sold
to if the purchaser wants to achieve that, stupid.

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You might be able to pick up an anonymous unit some place,

No might about it.

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but that doesn't change the fact that every
page you print has your "signature" on it.

No it doesnt, it JUST has the PRINTER'S signature on it.

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Even if it's not used, it's an insidious thing in and of itself.

Pathetic, really.

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More so because it was done behind your back.

Like it or lump it.

Rod Speed
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

Jeffrey F. Bloss <jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote

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me@privacy.net wrote
Jeffrey F. Bloss <jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> writes

End of contract and repossessed means you're dealing with the OEM or
retailer anyway. And they'll keep the same records as they would
with a new unit. Bankruptcy sales are typically conducted by third
parties, and *they'll* have a record of almost every model and
serial number. :(

You might be able to pick up an anonymous unit some place,
but that doesn't change the fact that every page you print has
your "signature" on it. Even if it's not used, it's an insidious thing
in and of itself. More so because it was done behind your back.

Should we complain about the copy protection built in,
that doesn't allow me to make a copy of a bank note.

Of course. You should complain about *any* back room
trickery perpetrated by a government with the complicity
of corporate America, on the citizens both those entities
are suppose to be serving in their own way.

Thanks for that completely surperfluous proof of
what at terminal fuckwit you have always been.

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And the size of that complaint should vary
according to the size of the offense.

No one actually gives a flying red fuck about
'complaints' from silly little terminal fuckwits.

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Does knowledge of these dot pattern identifications make
printers or copiers any more able to produce forged money?

Pathetic, really.

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Does knowledge of Photoshop's (?) inability to faithfully reproduce
images of money make it any more capable of doing so?

Pathetic, really.

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What negative impact does knowledge have on these technologies?

The answer is obviously "only one"... it removes the ability of
"government" to serveil an unsuspecting public with impunity.

Pathetic, really.

Jeffrey F. Bloss
Guest

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

Rod Speed wrote:

Quote:

Jeffrey F. Bloss <jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote
me@privacy.net wrote
Jeffrey F. Bloss <jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote

And that's just for bottom end printer buyers. The people who
can walk into Wal*Mart or Office Max and leave with a cash sale
"SOHO" or "Entry Level" printer. There's a whole world of mid
range to upper end equipment you can't even touch without dealing
with a company rep, and *usually* signing a service contract.

Unless you get an end of contract one,
repossessed, bankrupt stock or the like.

End of contract and repossessed means you're
dealing with the OEM or retailer anyway. And they'll
keep the same records as they would with a new unit.

Fat lot of good that will do them, its completely trivial
to ensure that that data wont be any use to them.

Is not.

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Bankruptcy sales are typically conducted by third parties, and
*they'll* have a record of almost every model and serial number. :(

But not necessarily any useful info on who it got sold
to if the purchaser wants to achieve that, stupid.

You might be able to pick up an anonymous unit some place,

No might about it.

Liar.

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but that doesn't change the fact that every
page you print has your "signature" on it.

No it doesnt, it JUST has the PRINTER'S signature on it.

Liar.

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Even if it's not used, it's an insidious thing in and of itself.

Pathetic, really.

Liar.

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More so because it was done behind your back.

Like it or lump it.

Wota terminal fuckwit.

--
Hand crafted on October 22, 2005 at 15:28:48 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

Jeffrey F. Bloss
Guest

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Yes, your color printer is spying on you

Rod Speed wrote:

Quote:

No one actually gives a flying red fuck about
'complaints' from silly little terminal fuckwits.

Precisely the reason nobody takes you seriously.

--
Hand crafted on October 22, 2005 at 15:30:59 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

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