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Tony
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:17 am Post subject:
Re: Printers for artists - any suggestions? |
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote:
| Quote: | I know of no consumer color laser printers which can print banner size,
other than by breaking the image up into sections legal size or smaller
and then adhering them together. I also know of none that will print on
heavyweighted stock or canvas other than via a transfer process
involving laminates, adhesives and a heated press.
Most laser printers produce contrasty images still, relative to inkjets.
Art
me@privacy.net wrote:
In message <3ri0g5Fj3fiuU1@individual.net>, a l l y
ally@situponDOGGIEseats.co.uk> writes
Well, Ideally I'd love to be able to print bigger than A4, but my
budget is
limited. I'm prepared to pay a bit more than the cost of a bog standard
printer, but unfortunately I can't afford a top quality professional
machine
so it'll have to be a compromise I guess. Are there any printers that
would
allow me to use paper that's longer than A4 - banner-type printing, I
suppose you'd call it?
As for the "type" of image - good question - I guess I'd like it to look
like a screen print more than anything. At the moment I'm printing on
heavy
card-type paper - the sort of thing that's embossed with a pattern like
canvas or like watercolour paper - and it looks great, though I don't
expect
it to last very well. I've been advised that spraying it with fixative
and
putting it behind glass will help, and making sure I use acid-free
paper. I
suppose I could cut ordinary watercolour paper into sheets of the
right size
if it would take the ink properly.
You could possibly look at OKI's colour lasers (LED), at least get a
sample print from them, see if it might be what you want. Most (all?)
of their A4 colour lasers will print banners up to about 4 feet IIRC.
The OKI range of colour lasers print banners up to (I think) about 2 metres and |
also print on heavy card, this is because they have a flat paper path. Not sure
about canvas and the quality is an entirely different matter, depends on the
customers's needs.
Tony |
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Bob Headrick
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Frank
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
Re: Printers for artists - any suggestions? |
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a l l y wrote:
| Quote: | Hi
Most printers these days seem to be targetted at photographers, and although
I do use a digital camera, most of my photos stay on the computer or on the
net, rather than getting printed out. I am an artist, and I want to make
prints of the artwork I produce on the computer. I want to use good quality,
acid-free, heavyweight, artists' quality paper with non-fading inks. Is this
a pipe-dream? I also need to do bog-standard, day-to-day printing as well,
of course, and I also print little books on craftwork so I need something
with fairly large ink tanks, as I hate having to change them in the middle
of a print run.
Any ideas, suggestions or comments will be carefully considered. Thank you.
ally
If you want to really dream of whats possible, dream of the Epson 4800. |
Frank |
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measekite
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Printers for artists - any suggestions? |
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Tony wrote:
| Quote: | Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote:
I know of no consumer color laser printers which can print banner size,
other than by breaking the image up into sections legal size or smaller
and then adhering them together. I also know of none that will print on
heavyweighted stock or canvas other than via a transfer process
involving laminates, adhesives and a heated press.
Most laser printers produce contrasty images still, relative to inkjets.
Art
me@privacy.net wrote:
In message <3ri0g5Fj3fiuU1@individual.net>, a l l y
ally@situponDOGGIEseats.co.uk> writes
Well, Ideally I'd love to be able to print bigger than A4, but my
budget is
limited. I'm prepared to pay a bit more than the cost of a bog standard
printer, but unfortunately I can't afford a top quality professional
machine
so it'll have to be a compromise I guess. Are there any printers that
would
allow me to use paper that's longer than A4 - banner-type printing, I
suppose you'd call it?
As for the "type" of image - good question - I guess I'd like it to look
like a screen print more than anything. At the moment I'm printing on
heavy
card-type paper - the sort of thing that's embossed with a pattern like
canvas or like watercolour paper - and it looks great, though I don't
expect
it to last very well. I've been advised that spraying it with fixative
and
putting it behind glass will help, and making sure I use acid-free
paper. I
suppose I could cut ordinary watercolour paper into sheets of the
right size
if it would take the ink properly.
You could possibly look at OKI's colour lasers (LED), at least get a
sample print from them, see if it might be what you want. Most (all?)
of their A4 colour lasers will print banners up to about 4 feet IIRC.
The OKI range of colour lasers print banners up to (I think) about 2 metres and
also print on heavy card, this is because they have a flat paper path. Not sure
about canvas and the quality is an entirely different matter, depends on the
customers's needs.
Tony da Tiger in da business
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measekite
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Printers for artists - any suggestions? |
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Frank wrote:
| Quote: | a l l y wrote:
Hi
Most printers these days seem to be targetted at photographers, and
although I do use a digital camera, most of my photos stay on the
computer or on the net, rather than getting printed out. I am an
artist, and I want to make prints of the artwork I produce on the
computer. I want to use good quality, acid-free, heavyweight,
artists' quality paper with non-fading inks. Is this a pipe-dream? I
also need to do bog-standard, day-to-day printing as well, of course,
and I also print little books on craftwork so I need something with
fairly large ink tanks, as I hate having to change them in the middle
of a print run.
Any ideas, suggestions or comments will be carefully considered.
Thank you.
ally
If you want to really dream of whats possible with my wife, dream of
the Epson 6900.
Frank |
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kolorwell
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:
Re: Printers for artists - any suggestions? |
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Color laser printer is another consideration. The minimum averag
amount of C/M/Y/K cartridges for low end printer will be over 60
prints at least for full A4. The laser printer has 600 dpi resolutio
plus PostScript or PCL printing language is enough. PostScript and PC
printing language is possible to increase gray level. There has no
standard for paper weight of photography, however, we can refer t
the weight of photo paper for photographic development system i
around 180 ~ 220gsm. Regarding to the photo paper for photograph
printed by laser printer, the paper material is PP synthetic paper
0.22mm (equal to 200gsm pulp paper) and 153gsm. Due to toner is dr
powder, it is possible to acid-free, without turn-yellowish for lon
term exposure in air or under halogen lighting in gallery. You ma
use key word “laser printing photo paper”to search more informatio
on Google and Yahoo as follows
http://search.yahoo.com/search?_adv_prop=web&x=op&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-top&va_vt=any&vp=laser+printing+photo+paper&vp_vt=any&vo_vt=any&ve_vt=any&vd=all&vst=0&vf=all&vm=i&fl=0&n=1
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=laser+printing+photo+paper&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=image
If the time for communication does not take into account, the printin
time is less than one minute whatever the size of your image file. I
is very usefully to save your time for high resolution artwork
The printing color for laser printer is accumulated by C/M/Y/K toner
The thick color will be accumulated more toner than light portion an
it is possible improve cubic effect. Particularly, it is th
remarkable printing quality for the portion of hair and feather o
animal with high resolution image |
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kolorwell
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:
Re: Printers for artists - any suggestions? |
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Color laser printer is another consideration. The minimum averag
amount of C/M/Y/K cartridges for low end printer will be over 60
prints at least. The laser printer has 600 dpi resolution plu
PostScript or PCL printing language is enough. PostScript and PC
printing language is possible to increase gray level. There has no
standard for paper weight of photography, however, we can refer t
the weight of photo paper for photographic development system i
around 180 ~ 220gsm. Regarding to the photo paper for photograph
printed by laser printer, the paper material is PP synthetic paper
0.22mm (equal to 200gsm pulp paper) and 153gsm. Due to toner is dr
powder, it is possible to acid-free, without turn-yellowish for lon
term exposure in air or under halogen lighting in gallery. You ma
use key word “laser printing photo paper”to search more informatio
on Google and Yahoo as follows
http://search.yahoo.com/search?_adv_prop=web&x=op&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-top&va_vt=any&vp=laser+printing+photo+paper&vp_vt=any&vo_vt=any&ve_vt=any&vd=all&vst=0&vf=all&vm=i&fl=0&n=1
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=laser+printing+photo+paper&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=image
If the time for communication does not take into account, the printin
time is less than one minute whatever the size of your image file. I
is very usefully to save your time for high resolution artwork
The printing color for laser printer is accumulated by C/M/Y/K toner
The thick color will be accumulated more toner than light portion an
it is possible improve cubic effect. Particularly, it is th
remarkable printing quality for the portion of hair and feather o
animal with high resolution image |
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Arthur Entlich
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Printers for artists - any suggestions? |
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Do they transfer the toner directly to the paper bypassing the
electrostatic drum or belt? I wonder how much memory is required for
something that large to be rasterized into the printer?
Art
Tony wrote:
| Quote: | Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote:
I know of no consumer color laser printers which can print banner size,
other than by breaking the image up into sections legal size or smaller
and then adhering them together. I also know of none that will print on
heavyweighted stock or canvas other than via a transfer process
involving laminates, adhesives and a heated press.
Most laser printers produce contrasty images still, relative to inkjets.
Art
me@privacy.net wrote:
In message <3ri0g5Fj3fiuU1@individual.net>, a l l y
ally@situponDOGGIEseats.co.uk> writes
Well, Ideally I'd love to be able to print bigger than A4, but my
budget is
limited. I'm prepared to pay a bit more than the cost of a bog standard
printer, but unfortunately I can't afford a top quality professional
machine
so it'll have to be a compromise I guess. Are there any printers that
would
allow me to use paper that's longer than A4 - banner-type printing, I
suppose you'd call it?
As for the "type" of image - good question - I guess I'd like it to look
like a screen print more than anything. At the moment I'm printing on
heavy
card-type paper - the sort of thing that's embossed with a pattern like
canvas or like watercolour paper - and it looks great, though I don't
expect
it to last very well. I've been advised that spraying it with fixative
and
putting it behind glass will help, and making sure I use acid-free
paper. I
suppose I could cut ordinary watercolour paper into sheets of the
right size
if it would take the ink properly.
You could possibly look at OKI's colour lasers (LED), at least get a
sample print from them, see if it might be what you want. Most (all?)
of their A4 colour lasers will print banners up to about 4 feet IIRC.
The OKI range of colour lasers print banners up to (I think) about 2 metres and
also print on heavy card, this is because they have a flat paper path. Not sure
about canvas and the quality is an entirely different matter, depends on the
customers's needs.
Tony |
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Arthur Entlich
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Printers for artists - any suggestions? |
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I just did a bit more research on the Oki color printers, and heck is
they can't print banners up to 47+ inches. That's quite something. Now
I'm gonna need to research how much memory is required to do that, and
the technology behind it.
Learn something new every day... thanks Tony!
Art
Tony wrote:
| Quote: | Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote:
I know of no consumer color laser printers which can print banner size,
other than by breaking the image up into sections legal size or smaller
and then adhering them together. I also know of none that will print on
heavyweighted stock or canvas other than via a transfer process
involving laminates, adhesives and a heated press.
Most laser printers produce contrasty images still, relative to inkjets.
Art
me@privacy.net wrote:
In message <3ri0g5Fj3fiuU1@individual.net>, a l l y
ally@situponDOGGIEseats.co.uk> writes
Well, Ideally I'd love to be able to print bigger than A4, but my
budget is
limited. I'm prepared to pay a bit more than the cost of a bog standard
printer, but unfortunately I can't afford a top quality professional
machine
so it'll have to be a compromise I guess. Are there any printers that
would
allow me to use paper that's longer than A4 - banner-type printing, I
suppose you'd call it?
As for the "type" of image - good question - I guess I'd like it to look
like a screen print more than anything. At the moment I'm printing on
heavy
card-type paper - the sort of thing that's embossed with a pattern like
canvas or like watercolour paper - and it looks great, though I don't
expect
it to last very well. I've been advised that spraying it with fixative
and
putting it behind glass will help, and making sure I use acid-free
paper. I
suppose I could cut ordinary watercolour paper into sheets of the
right size
if it would take the ink properly.
You could possibly look at OKI's colour lasers (LED), at least get a
sample print from them, see if it might be what you want. Most (all?)
of their A4 colour lasers will print banners up to about 4 feet IIRC.
The OKI range of colour lasers print banners up to (I think) about 2 metres and
also print on heavy card, this is because they have a flat paper path. Not sure
about canvas and the quality is an entirely different matter, depends on the
customers's needs.
Tony |
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Tony
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject:
Re: Printers for artists - any suggestions? |
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Art
To tell the truth I have never wondered how it is done. The fact is they are
extremely reliable and therefore I have not had the need.
Good question though.
Tony
Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote:
| Quote: | Do they transfer the toner directly to the paper bypassing the
electrostatic drum or belt? I wonder how much memory is required for
something that large to be rasterized into the printer?
Art
Tony wrote:
Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote:
I know of no consumer color laser printers which can print banner size,
other than by breaking the image up into sections legal size or smaller
and then adhering them together. I also know of none that will print on
heavyweighted stock or canvas other than via a transfer process
involving laminates, adhesives and a heated press.
Most laser printers produce contrasty images still, relative to inkjets.
Art
me@privacy.net wrote:
In message <3ri0g5Fj3fiuU1@individual.net>, a l l y
ally@situponDOGGIEseats.co.uk> writes
Well, Ideally I'd love to be able to print bigger than A4, but my
budget is
limited. I'm prepared to pay a bit more than the cost of a bog standard
printer, but unfortunately I can't afford a top quality professional
machine
so it'll have to be a compromise I guess. Are there any printers that
would
allow me to use paper that's longer than A4 - banner-type printing, I
suppose you'd call it?
As for the "type" of image - good question - I guess I'd like it to look
like a screen print more than anything. At the moment I'm printing on
heavy
card-type paper - the sort of thing that's embossed with a pattern like
canvas or like watercolour paper - and it looks great, though I don't
expect
it to last very well. I've been advised that spraying it with fixative
and
putting it behind glass will help, and making sure I use acid-free
paper. I
suppose I could cut ordinary watercolour paper into sheets of the
right size
if it would take the ink properly.
You could possibly look at OKI's colour lasers (LED), at least get a
sample print from them, see if it might be what you want. Most (all?)
of their A4 colour lasers will print banners up to about 4 feet IIRC.
The OKI range of colour lasers print banners up to (I think) about 2 metres
and
also print on heavy card, this is because they have a flat paper path. Not
sure
about canvas and the quality is an entirely different matter, depends on the
customers's needs.
Tony |
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Tony
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:34 am Post subject:
Re: Printers for artists - any suggestions? |
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Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote:
| Quote: | I just did a bit more research on the Oki color printers, and heck is
they can't print banners up to 47+ inches. That's quite something. Now
I'm gonna need to research how much memory is required to do that, and
the technology behind it.
Learn something new every day... thanks Tony!
Art
Tony wrote:
Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote:
I know of no consumer color laser printers which can print banner size,
other than by breaking the image up into sections legal size or smaller
and then adhering them together. I also know of none that will print on
heavyweighted stock or canvas other than via a transfer process
involving laminates, adhesives and a heated press.
Most laser printers produce contrasty images still, relative to inkjets.
Art
me@privacy.net wrote:
In message <3ri0g5Fj3fiuU1@individual.net>, a l l y
ally@situponDOGGIEseats.co.uk> writes
Well, Ideally I'd love to be able to print bigger than A4, but my
budget is
limited. I'm prepared to pay a bit more than the cost of a bog standard
printer, but unfortunately I can't afford a top quality professional
machine
so it'll have to be a compromise I guess. Are there any printers that
would
allow me to use paper that's longer than A4 - banner-type printing, I
suppose you'd call it?
As for the "type" of image - good question - I guess I'd like it to look
like a screen print more than anything. At the moment I'm printing on
heavy
card-type paper - the sort of thing that's embossed with a pattern like
canvas or like watercolour paper - and it looks great, though I don't
expect
it to last very well. I've been advised that spraying it with fixative
and
putting it behind glass will help, and making sure I use acid-free
paper. I
suppose I could cut ordinary watercolour paper into sheets of the
right size
if it would take the ink properly.
You could possibly look at OKI's colour lasers (LED), at least get a
sample print from them, see if it might be what you want. Most (all?)
of their A4 colour lasers will print banners up to about 4 feet IIRC.
The OKI range of colour lasers print banners up to (I think) about 2 metres
and
also print on heavy card, this is because they have a flat paper path. Not
sure
about canvas and the quality is an entirely different matter, depends on the
customers's needs.
Tony
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Art
I talked to the local OKI importer and they say that it is just memory and
banner software that handles the paper setup issues.
Obviously the amount of detail in any one banner may affect the maximum length
depending on the amount of memory installed.
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me@privacy.net
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject:
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In message <part1of1.1.vsabKdo9SxKU3Q@ue.ph>, Tony <?@?.?.invalid>
writes
| Quote: | I talked to the local OKI importer and they say that it is just memory and
banner software that handles the paper setup issues.
Obviously the amount of detail in any one banner may affect the maximum length
depending on the amount of memory installed.
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Presumably it pauses whilst it loads information back onto the drum, as
I presume it doesn't have a drum with a four foot circumference.
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Tony
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject:
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"me@privacy.net" <me@Privacy.Net> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <part1of1.1.vsabKdo9SxKU3Q@ue.ph>, Tony <?@?.?.invalid
writes
I talked to the local OKI importer and they say that it is just memory and
banner software that handles the paper setup issues.
Obviously the amount of detail in any one banner may affect the maximum length
depending on the amount of memory installed.
Presumably it pauses whilst it loads information back onto the drum, as
I presume it doesn't have a drum with a four foot circumference.
--
Timothy
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Good question, I don't think it can pause because of the inertia of the paper
transport. But I have to say I have never printed a banner on one of these.
Unlike inkjets, lasers can't stop and restart the transport that quickly and if
they did I am sure there would be a resulting blemish on the paper, so I guess
the drums (4 of them in this case because it is a single pass process unlike
carousel colour lasers) are being refreshed in flight.
I expect that is a function of the LED array to drum transfer which uses prisms
and/or mirrors and of the transfer belt which is a continuous belt that
services all of the drums instead of a transfer roller for each drum. The drums
are quite small, I would guess about 1" in diameter.
The LED array has the added advantage of producing a higher quality image due
to the absence of a rotating laser mirror. That is why we know of several
photographers who believe the quality is high enough for them with the added
advantage of better longevity than some inkjets.
It is worth noting that OKI has never made inkjet printers but instead
concentrated on LED array "lasers", their early monochrome printers were not
too flash but I think they have really done it well with the colour range of
LED printers.
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me@privacy.net
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:48 pm Post subject:
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In message <part1of1.1.8#agApstPWKhDg@ue.ph>, Tony <?@?.?.invalid>
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| Quote: | The LED array has the added advantage of producing a higher quality image due
to the absence of a rotating laser mirror. That is why we know of several
photographers who believe the quality is high enough for them with the added
advantage of better longevity than some inkjets.
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Do they find that? When I bought my solid ink Xerox (two years ago)
reviews I saw suggested that the LED of the OKI was a bit washed out in
comparison with the solid ink. I think similar comments were made when
I was looking for a new machine earlier this year. I had decided on
getting a Kyocera colour machine - the samples I've seen are very good
for them and they seem to have low running costs, in the end I bought an
old Canon CLC as I needed photocopier and printer, which has even better
quality.
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Tony
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject:
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"me@privacy.net" <me@Privacy.Net> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <part1of1.1.8#agApstPWKhDg@ue.ph>, Tony <?@?.?.invalid
writes
The LED array has the added advantage of producing a higher quality image due
to the absence of a rotating laser mirror. That is why we know of several
photographers who believe the quality is high enough for them with the added
advantage of better longevity than some inkjets.
Do they find that? When I bought my solid ink Xerox (two years ago)
reviews I saw suggested that the LED of the OKI was a bit washed out in
comparison with the solid ink. I think similar comments were made when
I was looking for a new machine earlier this year. I had decided on
getting a Kyocera colour machine - the samples I've seen are very good
for them and they seem to have low running costs, in the end I bought an
old Canon CLC as I needed photocopier and printer, which has even better
quality.
--
Timothy
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Well I'm not a professional photographer and I guess those folk come in various
flavours, there is a difference between studio quality and commercial quality
for advertising and similar needs. The ones I know that like the OKI colour
printers are in the advertising business (brochures and the like) rather than
portraits and weddings etc. Also, I am not suggesting that the OKI's are better
than all others, just that they seem to have done it well and have their niche.
Tony |
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