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Steve K
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:56 am Post subject:
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I must be missing something obvious. (Right, wouldn't be the first
time.)
I'll paste the email traffic in a minute, but in brief, I asked Nero
why I couldn't make a compilation music CD from a CD I owned, and Nero
answered they don't support breaking copyright laws. What? I've been
making these kinds of CDs for years -- how often do we find a CD that
we like each and every song? -- and leaving the original CDs on the
shelf. Somebody please explain to me what's going on.
Here are the emails. As always, read backwards:
[From Nero Tech Support] Dear valued customer [that would be me],
Thank you for your email and your interest in our software.
Like my colleague stated, it is legally impossible for us to provide
solutions that evade copy protection. We are sorry.
Should you have any other request, please don't hesitate to contact us
again.
Best regards
Philipp Lohse
Nero Support
Nero AG
Im Stoeckmaedle 18
76307 Karlsbad
Germany
Fax : ++49 (0)7248 928 499
http://www.nero.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: [me, deleted for privacy purposes]
Sent: Wednesday, 12.October 2005 01:19:11
To: (techsupport@nero.com)
CC:
Subject: Re: Web Support Request -[enu] - Case Info: [Xb3c6/R2N78=] -
Case Info: [k9F4mq1KJlo=]
| Quote: | Nero Support --
I'll download the updated Nero, thanks.
Ref "2.) 8:13:04 AM #4 CDCOPY -1 File CDCopy.cpp, Line
1896 The CD is copyrighted," what is going on?
The CD is in my own library, bought at a store. All I
want to do is create another CD that has only the
songs I like and does not play the songs I don't.
I have been making music CDs like this for years.
Are you saying Nero does not support this any more?
-- Steve
--- "techsupport@nero.com" <techsupport@nero.com
wrote:
Dear valued customer,
thank you for your email and your interest in our
software.
1.) Please update your Nero software to the newest
version available via the download packages from our
website: http://www.nero.com/us/nero-up.php
2.) 8:13:04 AM #4 CDCOPY -1 File CDCopy.cpp, Line
1896
The CD is copyrighted
Much to our Regret we have to tell you that the
German copyright law (UrhG) effective as from
September 2003 prohibits the distribution of
software which is suited to evade the copyright
protection.
According to the rules of this copyright law it is
not allowed to distribute software products which
are part of a sales promotion, advertising or
marketing activity aimed at evading technical
measures as defined by § 95 a, paragraph 2 of the
UrhG, or which have a limited economic benefit only
for the purpose of evading effective technical
measures as defined by § 95 a, paragraph 2 of the
UrhG, or which are mainly designed, produced,
adjusted or furnished in order to enable or
facilitate the evasion of effective technical
measures as defined by § 95a, paragraph 2 of the
UrhG.
Our software Nero is not affected by this
legislation because it is technically unsuitable for
the evasion of technical measures.
Should you have any other request, please don't
hesitate to contact us again.
Best regards
Andreas Kull
Nero Technical Support
Nero AG
Im Stoeckmaedle 18
76307 Karlsbad
Germany
Fax : ++49 (0)7248 928 499
http://www.nero.com
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Nil
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
Re: Nero doesn't support making compilation CDs of favorite |
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On 13 Oct 2005, "Steve K" <usarmycwo@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1129254998.808449.245220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | I'll paste the email traffic in a minute, but in brief, I asked
Nero why I couldn't make a compilation music CD from a CD I owned,
and Nero answered they don't support breaking copyright laws.
What? I've been making these kinds of CDs for years -- how often
do we find a CD that we like each and every song? -- and leaving
the original CDs on the shelf. Somebody please explain to me
what's going on.
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I don't get it. You CAN make compilation CDs using Nero, you know. but
if the CD you want to copy is copy-protected, of course you'll have
some trouble. I'm not at all surprised that the Nero folks don't want
to tell you how to circumvent that protection, and I wouldn't expect
them to. If you want that information, it's all over the internet -
just use Google or your favorite search engine. |
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Starz_Kid
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
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"Steve K" <usarmycwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129254998.808449.245220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I must be missing something obvious. (Right, wouldn't be the first
time.)
Hello Steve K, Maybe use extracting software such as EAC to make wav files,
Then put the things together in Nero or the MANY other CD burning software
packages. If you use Alcohol 120% you wouldn't need Nero at all...!
Starz_Kid... |
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Steve K
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Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:46 am Post subject:
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Nil --
Are music CDs copy protected? Wouldn't surprise me, but this is first
I've heard.
And if they are, does it mean I can't make a "favorites" disk for my
own use?
Alright, compared to earthquakes and hurricanes, this is not
particularly tragic. But doesn't seem right, either. |
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MCheu
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Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:14 am Post subject:
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On 15 Oct 2005 16:46:21 -0700, "Steve K" <usarmycwo@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Nil --
Are music CDs copy protected? Wouldn't surprise me, but this is first
I've heard.
And if they are, does it mean I can't make a "favorites" disk for my
own use?
Alright, compared to earthquakes and hurricanes, this is not
particularly tragic. But doesn't seem right, either.
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Not all of them are protected, and up until recently the protected CDs
would have a lot of trouble playing on some CD players (I'm talking
about car audio CD players or portables, not anything connected to a
computer). The more recent protected CDs are a little better but the
protections schemes still cause some playback problems or signal
degradation. The publishers have started mentioning the use of
protections in their labeling. Not sure if this was required by some
law or if they just pissed off so many people that they want to do
some CYA before the lawsuits start pouring in.
The protection schemes mostly try to prevent you from ripping or using
DAE to read the CD. Some of them incorporate a signal which is
supposed to be recognized by software so they can refuse to work with
them. Obviously that doesn't work with software that doesn't detect
for it, and those are the ones that seem to have the signal
degradation (Some parts of the playback seem muffled or tinny, and
there's sometimes a bit of stereo weirdness -- I guess I'd call it a
"warble"). Others are Trojan programs which are installed on windows
machines under the pretense of "added value features" such as branded
media players (to play specially encoded videos or bonus tracks) or
simple video games. So long as you don't install those programs (run
through windows' autorun feature), those discs won't be protected at
all. There are probably others.
The older discs and the re-released older music (pre 2003) are usually
not protected, but about 3/4 of the newer stuff has some sort of
protection on it.
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Thanks.
MCheu |
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Nil
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Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
Re: Nero doesn't support making compilation CDs of favorite |
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On 15 Oct 2005, "Steve K" <usarmycwo@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1129419981.311390.64140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | Are music CDs copy protected? Wouldn't surprise me, but this is first
I've heard.
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Some are. So far, I seem to have avoided buying any, or at least I
haven't tried to extract tracks from one yet. But I know they're out
there.
| Quote: | And if they are, does it mean I can't make a "favorites" disk for my
own use?
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I've been told there are ways around some or most of the copy
protection schemes. But until I come up against the problem, I won't
bother to research it.
If all else fails, you could play the CD in an external player and
record it to your sound card in real time.
Are you having trouble taking tracks of a CD? What have you tried so
far? If it's not copy protected, you could use Nero's "Save Tracks"
program that's included in the their suite, or you could use the
excellent program, Exact Audio Copy, or CDex.
| Quote: | Alright, compared to earthquakes and hurricanes, this is not
particularly tragic. But doesn't seem right, either.
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I agree, the copy protection that prevents you from making a copy for
your own personal use is wrong. If I had one of those discs, I'd be
inclined to return it as defective and write a complaint to the
manufacturers. |
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Dave Cohen
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Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
Re: Nero doesn't support making compilation CDs of favorite |
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"Starz_Kid" <Starz_Kid@inter.net> wrote in message
news:BmH3f.194110$nF6.49871@fe04.news.easynews.com...
| Quote: | "Steve K" <usarmycwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129254998.808449.245220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I must be missing something obvious. (Right, wouldn't be the first
time.)
Hello Steve K, Maybe use extracting software such as EAC to make wav
files,
Then put the things together in Nero or the MANY other CD burning software
packages. If you use Alcohol 120% you wouldn't need Nero at all...!
Starz_Kid...
If all else fails, as long as you can play the music through your sound |
card, you can always capture to a file using totalrecorder (which I use but
costs) or the products from dbamplifier (there is now a small registration
fee for .mp3 encoding). There are probably many others out there.
Once you have a file, .wav or .mp3, you can master to a cd.
Dave Cohen |
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Isaac
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Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Nero doesn't support making compilation CDs of favorite |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:14:49 -0400, MCheu <mpcheu@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 15 Oct 2005 16:46:21 -0700, "Steve K" <usarmycwo@gmail.com> wrote:
Nil --
Are music CDs copy protected? Wouldn't surprise me, but this is first
I've heard.
And if they are, does it mean I can't make a "favorites" disk for my
own use?
Alright, compared to earthquakes and hurricanes, this is not
particularly tragic. But doesn't seem right, either.
Not all of them are protected, and up until recently the protected CDs
would have a lot of trouble playing on some CD players (I'm talking
about car audio CD players or portables, not anything connected to a
computer). The more recent protected CDs are a little better but the
protections schemes still cause some playback problems or signal
degradation. The publishers have started mentioning the use of
protections in their labeling. Not sure if this was required by some
law or if they just pissed off so many people that they want to do
some CYA before the lawsuits start pouring in.
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Probably not explicitly covered by law, but there was some litigation
generated during trials of copy protected CDs in the US. The lack of
proper marking along coupled with no returns policies of most music stores
made some people who were used to playing music on a computers and on
portables that read the disks the way computers do in order to implement
skip control felt cheated. I'm not aware of any court decisions in those
law suit. I suspect they were all settled. I suppose the industry could
have coped by backing off of the no returns policy.
| Quote: | The older discs and the re-released older music (pre 2003) are usually
not protected, but about 3/4 of the newer stuff has some sort of
protection on it.
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Brian K
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
Re: Nero doesn't support making compilation CDs of favorite |
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On 10/15/2005 10:33 PM Dave Cohen after palpating a Ginkgo,
electronically interjected:
| Quote: | "Starz_Kid" <Starz_Kid@inter.net> wrote in message
news:BmH3f.194110$nF6.49871@fe04.news.easynews.com...
"Steve K" <usarmycwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129254998.808449.245220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I must be missing something obvious. (Right, wouldn't be the first
time.)
Hello Steve K, Maybe use extracting software such as EAC to make wav
files,
Then put the things together in Nero or the MANY other CD burning software
packages. If you use Alcohol 120% you wouldn't need Nero at all...!
Starz_Kid...
If all else fails, as long as you can play the music through your sound
card, you can always capture to a file using totalrecorder (which I use but
costs) or the products from dbamplifier (there is now a small registration
fee for .mp3 encoding). There are probably many others out there.
Once you have a file, .wav or .mp3, you can master to a cd.
Dave Cohen
If it's for personal use only, here's one work around. It's sort of a |
stone age fix. I have a really excellent cassette tape deck and an EQ.
I dub the CD hot onto tape then with the tape deck input into the EQ and
the EQ fed into my computer - I feed from the tape instead of attempting
to copy from the CD. Nero has software for cleaning up music from LP
or tape but my EQ has more bands and does a cleaner job of it. You
build from tape source instead of CD. I sometimes use my tape deck for
music editing as software isn't always as precise as what I can do with
a tape deck with editing capabilities.
--
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To email me, Edit "blog" from my email address.
Brian M. Kochera
"Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!"
View My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~brian1951 |
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