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The Outsider
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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On a whim I thought I would try out the CCC version drivers. :-) They
take up a ton of memory compared to the CP drivers so I don't
recommend them. One thing about the control panel in the CCC drivers
is that it is so huge that when you resize your dispaly to 640x480 you
can't access the apply button afterwards to apply any other changes.
Trying to drag the window up to get access to the apply area it just
bounces back down out of sight. Stupid UI design by ATI, IMO. Stupid
of me for installing this shit in the first place. ;-) If we are all
*forced* to go to CCC for the next driver version I forsee a lot of
gnashing of teeth. Give it up ATI, this CCC driver is unecessary
crapola. About to uninstall CCC and that .Net shit too. |
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First of One
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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"The Outsider" <no@spam.here> wrote in message
news:p33pk1tsvp97aq358trhhh6qktmtrfcbre@4ax.com...
[quote]On a whim I thought I would try out the CCC version drivers. :-) They
take up a ton of memory compared to the CP drivers so I don't
recommend them. One thing about the control panel in the CCC drivers
is that it is so huge that when you resize your dispaly to 640x480 you
can't access the apply button afterwards to apply any other changes.
Trying to drag the window up to get access to the apply area it just
bounces back down out of sight.
[/quote]
I think WinXP lists a display capable of 800x600x256 colors as a
requirement, so the UI design limitation won't affect too many users. Your
sentiments about the heavy memory usage are quite justified, however.
[quote]Stupid UI design by ATI, IMO. Stupid
of me for installing this shit in the first place. ;-) If we are all
*forced* to go to CCC for the next driver version I forsee a lot of
gnashing of teeth. Give it up ATI, this CCC driver is unecessary
crapola. About to uninstall CCC and that .Net shit too.
[/quote]
What was that saying again? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice,
shame on me." :-)
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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
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The Outsider
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:42:30 -0400, "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[quote]I think WinXP lists a display capable of 800x600x256 colors as a
requirement, so the UI design limitation won't affect too many users. Your
sentiments about the heavy memory usage are quite justified, however.
[/quote]
Yea, the CP drivers only list 800x600 as the minimum but CCC allowed
to select 640x480. I selected that res so I could set the refresh rate
for it but after going to 640x480 I was unable to apply any changes.
I'm back to the CP drivers now and uninstalled .NET too. My pagefile
usage is now down by about 150mb. |
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The Outsider
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:42:30 -0400, "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[quote]What was that saying again? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice,
shame on me." :-)
[/quote]
p.s. Looks like I'm stuck on CAT 5.9 CP version forever because I
believe the next version may be CCC only. My next card will be Nvidia
if that's the case because I absolutely refuse to use these CCC
drivers. |
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Mike Foss
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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"The Outsider" <no@spam.here> wrote in message news:brbpk1hbuufkvvnv5m1veuej2cohlt4ma5@4ax.com...
[quote]On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:42:30 -0400, "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com
wrote:
What was that saying again? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice,
shame on me." :-)
p.s. Looks like I'm stuck on CAT 5.9 CP version forever because I
believe the next version may be CCC only. My next card will be Nvidia
if that's the case because I absolutely refuse to use these CCC drivers.
[/quote]
I'll be right behind ya.
Oh, and unless you did a full restore to get rid of dot net, you
only *think* you've uninstalled it. When it installs, it reverts a
whole slew of system files (primarily DirectX files) back to
older versions (e.g. 9.0c to 9.0b), and the damage is not
repaired when it's uninstalled. In addition, it leaves a dozen
or so orphaned DLLs in this folder as well.
Nasty, nasty shit. |
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AAvK
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:51 pm Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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What are CP drivers? Never saw that anywhere... Omegas? I am a newby with a
new x800xl, last time I had an ATI vid-card was in my 1st comp in '98, 8mb rage
fury.
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Giant_Alex
cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com |
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Geoff
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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"The Outsider" <no@spam.here> wrote in message
news:p33pk1tsvp97aq358trhhh6qktmtrfcbre@4ax.com...
[quote]On a whim I thought I would try out the CCC version drivers. :-) They
take up a ton of memory compared to the CP drivers so I don't
recommend them. One thing about the control panel in the CCC drivers
is that it is so huge that when you resize your dispaly to 640x480 you
can't access the apply button afterwards to apply any other changes.
Trying to drag the window up to get access to the apply area it just
bounces back down out of sight. Stupid UI design by ATI, IMO. Stupid
of me for installing this shit in the first place. ;-) If we are all
*forced* to go to CCC for the next driver version I forsee a lot of
gnashing of teeth. Give it up ATI, this CCC driver is unecessary
crapola. About to uninstall CCC and that .Net shit too.
[/quote]
currently ati make CCC and CP versoins of drivers
you don't want the CCC ones (for above reasons) you want the CP (control
panel)
generaly the cp ones are 25 meg to download, the CCC ones are 30 meg or so |
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DDC
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:16:24 GMT, "Mike Foss" <nospam@rsii.net> wrote:
[quote]"The Outsider" <no@spam.here> wrote in message news:brbpk1hbuufkvvnv5m1veuej2cohlt4ma5@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:42:30 -0400, "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com
wrote:
What was that saying again? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice,
shame on me." :-)
p.s. Looks like I'm stuck on CAT 5.9 CP version forever because I
believe the next version may be CCC only. My next card will be Nvidia
if that's the case because I absolutely refuse to use these CCC drivers.
I'll be right behind ya.
Oh, and unless you did a full restore to get rid of dot net, you
only *think* you've uninstalled it. When it installs, it reverts a
whole slew of system files (primarily DirectX files) back to
older versions (e.g. 9.0c to 9.0b), and the damage is not
repaired when it's uninstalled. In addition, it leaves a dozen
or so orphaned DLLs in this folder as well.
Nasty, nasty shit.
[/quote]
I think you've just playing jalous because of a low perfomance pc.
just buy some memory and get a new crt dam it... my Vc performe at the
top notch that it can go whit ccc. panel control panel doesn't give
all of the extra feature like Hdtv and other stuff that i can recall.
at 3dmark05 i'm on the top of the list of default system no over
clocking.
and i'm not on a athlon 64. ;-p. |
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AAvK
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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[quote]currently ati make CCC and CP versoins of drivers
you don't want the CCC ones (for above reasons) you want the CP (control panel)
generaly the cp ones are 25 meg to download, the CCC ones are 30 meg or so
ok tanks[/quote]
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Giant_Alex
cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com |
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The Outsider
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:57 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:16:24 GMT, "Mike Foss" <nospam@rsii.net> wrote:
[quote]I'll be right behind ya.
Oh, and unless you did a full restore to get rid of dot net, you
only *think* you've uninstalled it. When it installs, it reverts a
whole slew of system files (primarily DirectX files) back to
older versions (e.g. 9.0c to 9.0b), and the damage is not
repaired when it's uninstalled. In addition, it leaves a dozen
or so orphaned DLLs in this folder as well.
Nasty, nasty shit.
[/quote]
You sure about DXc reverting to some DXb files? I just tried to
reinstall DXc and it didn't update any files that I could see. You
know where I can get a list of these orphaned DLL's so that I can
purge them from my system? I've already found the reg entry it leaves
behind and deleted that. |
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Mike Foss
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:19 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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"The Outsider" <no@spam.here> wrote in message news:2fqqk1ltoee321umvkquravvhe09jc4ea1@4ax.com...
[quote]On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:16:24 GMT, "Mike Foss" <nospam@rsii.net> wrote:
I'll be right behind ya.
Oh, and unless you did a full restore to get rid of dot net, you
only *think* you've uninstalled it. When it installs, it reverts a
whole slew of system files (primarily DirectX files) back to
older versions (e.g. 9.0c to 9.0b), and the damage is not
repaired when it's uninstalled. In addition, it leaves a dozen
or so orphaned DLLs in this folder as well.
Nasty, nasty shit.
You sure about DXc reverting to some DXb files? I just tried to
reinstall DXc and it didn't update any files that I could see. You
know where I can get a list of these orphaned DLL's so that I can
purge them from my system? I've already found the reg entry it leaves
behind and deleted that.
[/quote]
A reinstall of DX9.0c will update some dll files. As for the
orphaned files, sort your \winnt\system32 folder by date and
look for a bunch of files that are different than your original
install date. Pull properties for these files and look for .NET
in the descriptions. Be careful with this, as some of these
dll files are required even after .NET is uninstalled. |
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PhxGrunge
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:33 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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"Mike Foss" <nospam@rsii.net> wrote in message
news:2de3f.299$4O1.171@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
[quote]"The Outsider" <no@spam.here> wrote in message
news:2fqqk1ltoee321umvkquravvhe09jc4ea1@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:16:24 GMT, "Mike Foss" <nospam@rsii.net> wrote:
I'll be right behind ya.
Oh, and unless you did a full restore to get rid of dot net, you
only *think* you've uninstalled it. When it installs, it reverts a
whole slew of system files (primarily DirectX files) back to
older versions (e.g. 9.0c to 9.0b), and the damage is not
repaired when it's uninstalled. In addition, it leaves a dozen
or so orphaned DLLs in this folder as well.
Nasty, nasty shit.
You sure about DXc reverting to some DXb files? I just tried to
reinstall DXc and it didn't update any files that I could see. You
know where I can get a list of these orphaned DLL's so that I can
purge them from my system? I've already found the reg entry it leaves
behind and deleted that.
A reinstall of DX9.0c will update some dll files. As for the
orphaned files, sort your \winnt\system32 folder by date and
look for a bunch of files that are different than your original
install date. Pull properties for these files and look for .NET
in the descriptions. Be careful with this, as some of these
dll files are required even after .NET is uninstalled.
[/quote]
Reinstalling DirectX will do nothing. It takes the information in the
Windows registry and compares that to the files you are installing, and if
newer version is listed in the registry, it will do nothing.
DirectX will not reinstall without uninstalling the previous version.
However, Microsoft does not put an uninstaller into their DirectX installs.
So, you must uninstall manually, including all registry entries - a real
pain.
The Diag program for DirectX only shows you the versions of the files that
are listed in the registry, not the actual versions of the files loaded on
the computer. Easiest way to fix any DirectX install is to kill windows,
then reinstall Windows, then DirectX. |
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Tony DiMarzio
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:51 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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"PhxGrunge" <noname@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:Iqe3f.38$vH6.2768@news.uswest.net...
[quote]
"Mike Foss" <nospam@rsii.net> wrote in message
news:2de3f.299$4O1.171@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"The Outsider" <no@spam.here> wrote in message
news:2fqqk1ltoee321umvkquravvhe09jc4ea1@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:16:24 GMT, "Mike Foss" <nospam@rsii.net> wrote:
I'll be right behind ya.
Oh, and unless you did a full restore to get rid of dot net, you
only *think* you've uninstalled it. When it installs, it reverts a
whole slew of system files (primarily DirectX files) back to
older versions (e.g. 9.0c to 9.0b), and the damage is not
repaired when it's uninstalled. In addition, it leaves a dozen
or so orphaned DLLs in this folder as well.
Nasty, nasty shit.
You sure about DXc reverting to some DXb files? I just tried to
reinstall DXc and it didn't update any files that I could see. You
know where I can get a list of these orphaned DLL's so that I can
purge them from my system? I've already found the reg entry it leaves
behind and deleted that.
A reinstall of DX9.0c will update some dll files. As for the
orphaned files, sort your \winnt\system32 folder by date and
look for a bunch of files that are different than your original
install date. Pull properties for these files and look for .NET
in the descriptions. Be careful with this, as some of these
dll files are required even after .NET is uninstalled.
Reinstalling DirectX will do nothing. It takes the information in the
Windows registry and compares that to the files you are installing, and if
newer version is listed in the registry, it will do nothing.
DirectX will not reinstall without uninstalling the previous version.
However, Microsoft does not put an uninstaller into their DirectX
installs. So, you must uninstall manually, including all registry
entries - a real pain.
The Diag program for DirectX only shows you the versions of the files that
are listed in the registry, not the actual versions of the files loaded on
the computer. Easiest way to fix any DirectX install is to kill windows,
then reinstall Windows, then DirectX.
[/quote]
I *highly* doubt that the .NET framework, which has been publicly available
for over 2 years now, cripples a DirectX 9.0c installation in any way,
shape, or form. That sort of bug/issue that would have the whole PC gaming
community in an uproar.
Tony |
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First of One
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:17 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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ATi offers two versions of its Catalyst drivers. Contents are the same, but
with different interfaces:
CP - Control Panel
CCC - Catalyst Control Center
These abbreviations are actually used in the driver package filenames.
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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
"AAvK" <ahem@notquite.net> wrote in message
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[quote]
What are CP drivers? Never saw that anywhere... Omegas? I am a newby with
a
new x800xl, last time I had an ATI vid-card was in my 1st comp in '98, 8mb
rage
fury.[/quote] |
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bandit
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:38 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid thing about the CCC drivers. |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:42:22 GMT, The Outsider <no@spam.here> wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:42:30 -0400, "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com
wrote:
What was that saying again? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice,
shame on me." :-)
p.s. Looks like I'm stuck on CAT 5.9 CP version forever because I
believe the next version may be CCC only. My next card will be Nvidia
if that's the case because I absolutely refuse to use these CCC
drivers.
[/quote]
Just got Control panel version of 5.10 :) on ati web site :) :) :) |
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