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bandit · Guest

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:38:50 -0500, bandit <bandit@bandit.com> wrote:

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:42:22 GMT, The Outsider <no@spam.here> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:42:30 -0400, "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com
wrote:

What was that saying again? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice,
shame on me." :-)

p.s. Looks like I'm stuck on CAT 5.9 CP version forever because I
believe the next version may be CCC only. My next card will be Nvidia
if that's the case because I absolutely refuse to use these CCC
drivers.

Just got Control panel version of 5.10 :) on ati web site :) :) :)
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forget that .net S*** when they force me to use that to update drivers
im nvidia bound :(

Mike Foss · Guest

"PhxGrunge" <noname@qwest.net> wrote in message news:Iqe3f.38$vH6.2768@news.uswest.net...
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:16:24 GMT, "Mike Foss" <nospam@rsii.net> wrote:

I'll be right behind ya.

Oh, and unless you did a full restore to get rid of dot net, you
only *think* you've uninstalled it. When it installs, it reverts a
whole slew of system files (primarily DirectX files) back to
older versions (e.g. 9.0c to 9.0b), and the damage is not
repaired when it's uninstalled. In addition, it leaves a dozen
or so orphaned DLLs in this folder as well.

Nasty, nasty shit.

You sure about DXc reverting to some DXb files? I just tried to
reinstall DXc and it didn't update any files that I could see. You
know where I can get a list of these orphaned DLL's so that I can
purge them from my system? I've already found the reg entry it leaves
behind and deleted that.

A reinstall of DX9.0c will update some dll files. As for the
orphaned files, sort your \winnt\system32 folder by date and
look for a bunch of files that are different than your original
install date. Pull properties for these files and look for .NET
in the descriptions. Be careful with this, as some of these
dll files are required even after .NET is uninstalled.

Reinstalling DirectX will do nothing. It takes the information in the
Windows registry and compares that to the files you are installing, and if
newer version is listed in the registry, it will do nothing.

DirectX will not reinstall without uninstalling the previous version.
However, Microsoft does not put an uninstaller into their DirectX installs.
So, you must uninstall manually, including all registry entries - a real
pain.

The Diag program for DirectX only shows you the versions of the files that
are listed in the registry, not the actual versions of the files loaded on
the computer. Easiest way to fix any DirectX install is to kill windows,
then reinstall Windows, then DirectX.
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Thanks for the info. Any idea why MS designed it this way?
Doesn't having one set of file versions listed in the registry
and another physically on the hard drive would cause all
sorts of problems?

The Outsider · Guest

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:38:50 -0500, bandit <bandit@bandit.com> wrote:

[quote]Just got Control panel version of 5.10 :) on ati web site :) :) :)
[/quote]
Yea, I see them there but haven't installed yet. WTG ATI, never drop
the CP version of your drivers. :-)

The Outsider · Guest

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:33:22 -0700, "PhxGrunge" <noname@qwest.net>
wrote:

[quote]Reinstalling DirectX will do nothing. It takes the information in the
Windows registry and compares that to the files you are installing, and if
newer version is listed in the registry, it will do nothing.

DirectX will not reinstall without uninstalling the previous version.
However, Microsoft does not put an uninstaller into their DirectX installs.
So, you must uninstall manually, including all registry entries - a real
pain.

The Diag program for DirectX only shows you the versions of the files that
are listed in the registry, not the actual versions of the files loaded on
the computer. Easiest way to fix any DirectX install is to kill windows,
then reinstall Windows, then DirectX.

[/quote]
I'm not about to do that. Why would .NET install older file versions
of DX anyway. I don't beleive it unless someone can show me the proof.

The Outsider · Guest

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:19:10 GMT, "Mike Foss" <nospam@rsii.net> wrote:

[quote]A reinstall of DX9.0c will update some dll files. As for the
orphaned files, sort your \winnt\system32 folder by date and
look for a bunch of files that are different than your original
install date. Pull properties for these files and look for .NET
in the descriptions. Be careful with this, as some of these
dll files are required even after .NET is uninstalled.

[/quote]
I think I'll just leave them as is. They are not causing any issues.
Thanks anyway.

The Outsider · Guest

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:17:48 -0400, "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com>
wrote:

[quote]ATi offers two versions of its Catalyst drivers. Contents are the same, but
with different interfaces:

CP - Control Panel
CCC - Catalyst Control Center
[/quote]
Yea, and the CCC version increases the pagefile usage by about
100-150mb.

Guest

Mike Foss <nospam@rsii.net> wrote:
[quote]"PhxGrunge" <noname@qwest.net> wrote in message news:Iqe3f.38$vH6.2768@news.uswest.net...

Reinstalling DirectX will do nothing. It takes the information in the
Windows registry and compares that to the files you are installing, and if
newer version is listed in the registry, it will do nothing.
Thanks for the info. Any idea why MS designed it this way?
[/quote]
So that games with shit installers that force-installs whatever DX
version they were bundled with wouldn't completely mess up the user's
machine.

-a

Leon · Guest

I just download the drivers without either ccc or cp and use ati tray tools,
does the job better.

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First of One · Guest

Is this just when CCC is running, or does the pagefile usage permanently
increase because of .NET framework being installed?

My beef with CCC is its reliability. With every driver release, half the
bugs come from CCC itself. We have enough problems with games and apps as
they are; now we can't even trust the control interface.

MS once had an explicit disclaimer that Java should not be used in
mission-critical systems like nuclear powerplants or medical life-support
machines. I wonder if the same was declared for .NET.

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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

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First of One · Guest

We'll see how bad it gets with .NET installed. By the time the CP drivers
are dropped, I might just upgrade to 2 GB of RAM and not notice a
difference...

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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
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Smart Feet · Guest

First of One wrote:

First of One · Guest

And once you exit the application, does .NET unload itself?

Mind you, this is the way I expected it to work. However, I still remember
the first time I installed Internet Explorer 4 on my Win95 machine...

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The Outsider · Guest

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:33:24 GMT, Smart Feet <smartfeet@yourshoes.com>
wrote:

First of One · Guest

Removing the ATi icon from the system tray is the first thing I do after
installing new drivers, be it the CP or CCC version. :-)

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Smart Feet · Guest

First of One wrote:

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