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Dr. Dweeb
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Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject:
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Gentlemen,
I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both incompetant
and corrupt. Someone should sue their scrawny little asses.
I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device.
Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the other 5
read between 23-28%
I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink.
After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink.
I decided to print the test page.
Failure - and worse.
1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah" message. This
will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!
2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%
3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not yet
having printed 1 character
Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot print and
I am REALLY pissed off. Check how much 6 cartridges (even of alternative
branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise.
The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me. It is
both amoral and illegal. There is no technical reason for what has
happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson
cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right.
I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I give up ?
Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally apprpriate ?
Where do I get my money back ??
Dr. Dweeb |
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Shooter
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Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject:
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This discussion now brings up again that Epson will not honour a warranty
claim if third party ink is used or can be proved to be used. it is my
opinion that if they do not state plainly that other ink can not be used
then in the UK there could be room for litigation for misrepresentation as a
buyer is buying only a printer and is not and should not be tied to OEM ink.
Any views on this.
"Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Gentlemen,
I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both
incompetant
and corrupt. Someone should sue their scrawny little asses.
I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device.
Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the other 5
read between 23-28%
I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink.
After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink.
I decided to print the test page.
Failure - and worse.
1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah" message.
This
will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!
2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%
3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not yet
having printed 1 character
Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot print
and
I am REALLY pissed off. Check how much 6 cartridges (even of alternative
branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise.
The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me. It
is
both amoral and illegal. There is no technical reason for what has
happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson
cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right.
I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I give up ?
Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally apprpriate ?
Where do I get my money back ??
Dr. Dweeb
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Beach Runner
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Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject:
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Dr. Dweeb wrote:
| Quote: | Gentlemen,
I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both incompetant
and corrupt. Someone should sue their scrawny little asses.
I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device.
Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the other 5
read between 23-28%
I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink.
After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink.
I decided to print the test page.
Failure - and worse.
1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah" message. This
will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!
2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%
3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not yet
having printed 1 character
Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot print and
I am REALLY pissed off. Check how much 6 cartridges (even of alternative
branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise.
The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me. It is
both amoral and illegal. There is no technical reason for what has
happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson
cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right.
I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I give up ?
Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally apprpriate ?
Where do I get my money back ??
Dr. Dweeb
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Well consider HP is Digital/compaq, I'd go for an HP printer. |
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Davy
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Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Dr. Dweebwrote
quote="Dr. Dweeb
2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0
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Now that is naughty, very naughty indeed and it just goes to show wha
Epson are getting up to
It sounds like the current Epson trend, there should have been ampl
warning that this printer will not work with 3rd party inks plainl
marked 'for all to see' on the outside of the box - not on the use
manual or left for the user to find out
So whats happened here is you have bought a printer that will onl
work with Epson ink and that it did not even indicate it
Totally unfair a printer should not descriminate between brands o
in
Epson have got you by the goolies
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Tony
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
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"Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Gentlemen,
I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both incompetant
and corrupt. Someone should sue their scrawny little asses.
I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device.
Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the other 5
read between 23-28%
I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink.
After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink.
I decided to print the test page.
Failure - and worse.
1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah" message. This
will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!
2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%
3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not yet
having printed 1 character
Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot print and
I am REALLY pissed off. Check how much 6 cartridges (even of alternative
branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise.
The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me. It is
both amoral and illegal. There is no technical reason for what has
happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson
cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right.
I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I give up ?
Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally apprpriate ?
Where do I get my money back ??
Dr. Dweeb
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Terrible practice I agree.
Have you tried using the driver software to change all the cartridges again but
using the *same* cartrdiges? I have seen this work. You need to change one
cartridge at a time. It will not work from the printer so you have to do it
from the maintenance/service or whatever tab in the printer driver and choose
to replace the cartridge early.
Tony |
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Paul Sture
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
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Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
| Quote: | In article <DOc2f.181083$p_1.174566@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> writes:
Well consider HP is Digital/compaq, I'd go for an HP printer.
Nope. HP is not DEC and even worse than EPSON in inks. Try CANON...
I'll second Canon. Mine still worked for monochrome when the colour |
cartridge ran out, and third party cartridges work fine. |
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measekite
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:12 am Post subject:
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Dr. Dweeb wrote:
| Quote: | Gentlemen,
I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both incompetant
and corrupt. Someone should sue their scrawny little asses.
I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device.
Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the other 5
read between 23-28%
I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink.
After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink.
I decided to print the test page.
Failure - and worse.
THAT SOUNDS GREAT. YOU SHOULD HAVE USED EPSON OEM INK AND YOU WOULD NOT |
HAVE THE PROBLEM.
| Quote: | 1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah" message. This
will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!
2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%
3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not yet
having printed 1 character
Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot print and
I am REALLY pissed off.
IT IS BETTER TO BE PISSED OFF THEN PISSED ON. YOU GOT PISSED ON BY THE |
AFTERMARKET WHORE YOU BOUGHT THE INK FROM
| Quote: | Check how much 6 cartridges (even of alternative
branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise.
BUY A NEW PRINTER ON SALE. THEY USUALLY COST ABOUT THE SAME AS THE |
INK. NOW THAT IS TRUE FOR THE PRINTER ONLY. IF YOU HAD NOT BOUGHT A
MFD THEN YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO REPLACE THE SCANNER.
| Quote: | The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me. It is
both amoral and illegal.
IF IT WAS ILLEGAL THEY WOULD NOT DO IT. IMORAL, WELL SO ARE THE WHORES |
THAT SELL AFTERMARKET INK AND WILL NOT TELL YOU WHAT YOU ARE BUYING.
| Quote: | There is no technical reason for what has
happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson
cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right.
I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I give up ?
Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally apprpriate ?
Where do I get my money back ??
FROM THE WHORE YOU BOUGHT THE INK FROM. |
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Davy
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:36 am Post subject:
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[[quote:6888597503]quote="Peter 'EPLAN' Try CANON...
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Well said Sir...!
I have had the ip5000 about 4 months and not one single problem or
manual nozzle clean yet, I can print and forget, with the Epsons I
had to check each prints even text docs. for flaws.
Canon uses ink where Epson wastes ink, plus fact you can see the ink
in the Canon's and they'er not chipped.
Davy |
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JF Mezei
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:16 am Post subject:
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"Dr. Dweeb" wrote:
| Quote: | Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot print and
I am REALLY pissed off. Check how much 6 cartridges (even of alternative
branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise.
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Go to a printer cartridge refill place and buy the gizmo which
electronically resets the cartridges and some bulk ink.
You can then inject ink into cartridges, apply the gizmo to the epson
cartridge and snap it back into the printer.
Note that there was an article on CNET recently about how now about half
the people prefer to just go to some photo shop to have pictures printed
versus fiddling with their own printer/paper and INK, especially since
photo shops now cost much less for each image than printing it yourself.
| Quote: | The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me.
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HP is the same. HP even prevents you from using cartridges that were
sold on another continent. They are desperate for revenus and will do
anything to ensure thatthey have a monopoly on their ink business. |
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JF Mezei
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:34 am Post subject:
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Tony wrote:
| Quote: | Have you tried using the driver software to change all the cartridges again but
using the *same* cartrdiges? I have seen this work.
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EPSON cartridges can only be inserted into te printer once. If you take
a brand new cartridge, put it in printer, then take it out and put it
back it, it will indicate 0 even though it is full. You need to
electronically reset the cartridge so it thinks it was never inserted
into a printer before. |
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:23 am Post subject:
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On 9-Oct-2005, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Note that there was an article on CNET recently about how now about half
the people prefer to just go to some photo shop to have pictures printed
versus fiddling with their own printer/paper and INK, especially since
photo shops now cost much less for each image than printing it yourself.
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And with the on-line shops you get perfect prints on archive paper, not
dye images that fade. This assumes that you are proficient enough
to get the image right before you upload, but that applies to however
you print it. I've abandoned the landfill specialists. |
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Anna Daptor
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:41 am Post subject:
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"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message
news:43497EE5.425D1A68@teksavvy.com...
| Quote: | Tony wrote:
Have you tried using the driver software to change all the cartridges
again but
using the *same* cartrdiges? I have seen this work.
EPSON cartridges can only be inserted into te printer once. If you take
a brand new cartridge, put it in printer, then take it out and put it
back it, it will indicate 0 even though it is full.
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No it won't. Epson carts have a chip that remembers the ink level so you
*can* take them out of the printer and it'll know how much ink is in the
cart when you replace it.
| Quote: | You need to
electronically reset the cartridge so it thinks it was never inserted
into a printer before.
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That's true if you've refilled the cart. |
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Anna Daptor
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:41 am Post subject:
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"Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:43494643$0$78282$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...
| Quote: | Gentlemen,
I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both
incompetant and corrupt. Someone should sue their scrawny little asses.
I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device.
Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the other 5
read between 23-28%
I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink.
After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink.
I decided to print the test page.
Failure - and worse.
1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah" message.
This will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!
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So? That's no Epsons fault that the 3rd party inks you fitted don't identify
themselves correctly it is?
| Quote: | 2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%
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Again, not exactly Epsons fault that 3rd party inks screwed up your ink
level settings.
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Dr. Dweeb
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:58 am Post subject:
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Dr. Dweeb wrote:
| Quote: | Gentlemen,
I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both
incompetant and corrupt. Someone should sue their scrawny little
asses.
I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device.
Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the
other 5 read between 23-28%
I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink.
After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the
ink.
I decided to print the test page.
Failure - and worse.
1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah"
message. This will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!
2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%
3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not
yet having printed 1 character
Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot
print and I am REALLY pissed off. Check how much 6 cartridges (even
of alternative branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise.
The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me. It is
both amoral and illegal. There is no technical reason for what
has happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson
cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right.
I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I give
up ? Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally
apprpriate ?
Where do I get my money back ??
Dr. Dweeb
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Guys,
The printer (an RX600 by the way, a typo before) is brand new.
This is the first attempt to change a cartridge !
Also, Epson sells different models in different markets and the ink is not
interchangeable. Generally speaking, for example, you cannot buy RX600 ink
in say, Thailand - since the model does not exist there. A geek in a BKK
ink shop said he did not think a Thai resetter would work, since the Thai
cartridges were a different part number with a different chip. I took his
word, though in retrospect I should have paid the 10 bucks just in case.
Also, AFAICS that % full idea is a piece of crap. It is in no related to
the amount of ink in the cartridge, just on some arbitrary curve based on
the number of pages through the loop.
All in all, a pretty depressing situation.
It sure printed and scanned nice for a while though :-(
Dr. Dweeb |
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Dr. Dweeb
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:03 am Post subject:
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Anna Daptor wrote:
| Quote: | "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message
news:43497EE5.425D1A68@teksavvy.com...
Tony wrote:
Have you tried using the driver software to change all the
cartridges again but
using the *same* cartrdiges? I have seen this work.
EPSON cartridges can only be inserted into te printer once. If you
take a brand new cartridge, put it in printer, then take it out and
put it back it, it will indicate 0 even though it is full.
No it won't. Epson carts have a chip that remembers the ink level so
you *can* take them out of the printer and it'll know how much ink is
in the cart when you replace it.
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I am not certain who is correct here, though I have seen others than JF
mention this somewhere else IIRC.
The printer "decided" that the cartridge was empty rather arbitrarily - the
final page printed flawlessly. The % full for the colours seems to dive
pretty rapidly, even when the only colour printed was some trivial 10 pixel
logo.
I think it is a giant scheme of deceit and lies and I am really mad about
it.
Sadly, like almost everything else in the computer world, no one gives a FF.
and there is no where to lodge a complaint. Well maybe there is - I will
try during the week to harass support here and see what happens. I predict
abject failure.
Dr. Dweeb
| Quote: | You need to
electronically reset the cartridge so it thinks it was never inserted
into a printer before.
That's true if you've refilled the cart. |
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