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Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:39 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | --John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Well, checking www.checkhd.com against
http://www.nab.org/Newsroom/issues/digitaltv/DTVStations.asp
pretty much agrees.
I don't see any antenna recommendations there.
Channel 23.x is wrong on checkhd. I live about 35
miles from the towers in 90274 and get all the stations except San
Bernardino on both the HDTV Wonder and the Samsung TS-165 using a
Winegard SquareShooter.
http://www.winegard.com/offair/squareshooter.htm
I'm not connected in any way with Winegard but have always had good
experiences with their antennas and amplifiers. The SquareShooter is
small enough that it can be installed even if there are CCRs
prohibiting antennas.
Which is nice if you have a strong, clean signal with little
multipath, which should be the case if you're 35 miles from the
antennas with no intervening high terrain.
Incidentally, Federal law overrides many attempts by various local
organizations to prohibit antennas. You might want to read
http://ftp.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/consumerdish.html>.
Glenn Gundlach
I thought that SquareShooter was there best urban area antenna?
"Urban area" is one step above rabbit ears. I have an array of HD6065Ps
with a tilter and there's one station that's still intermittent.
The problem with HDTV is that the broadcasters are typically transmitting
their digital signal at 1/10 or less the power level of their analog
signal, while the antenna manufacturers base their range figures on the
assumption that they're transmitting digital at the same signal level as
analog.
In conjunction with that, HD doesn't degrade gracefully, it's either
there or not.
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Its a little better than 'a step above rabbit ears' Average gain 4.5 dB
but NO rabbit ears get 13 dB front to back ratio. Its reasonable
performance and much better looking for what it does.
John, is that a typo on the HD6065P model number? It looks to me like
that is an FM only antenna. What am I missing?
HD9095P, don't know why I turned the "9"s upside down.
Glenn Gundlach
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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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You said you have a tilt mount so I assmume the antennas are vertically
spaced, 2-3 feet apart with matched leads to the combiner? That would
narrow the vertical beam width. Have you tried horizontal or diagonal
spacing to narrow the horizontal beamwidth? Or are you REALLY into this
and have a quad stack?
I take it you're in a difficult reception area. What city? Are there
any analog UHF stations of similar channel and tower location to see
the multipath?
Its easy and difficult in LA. Easy because most of the transmitters are
on Mt Wilson. Difficult because there are lots of hills.
Glenn Gundlach |
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J. Clarke
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject:
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stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:
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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Well, checking www.checkhd.com against
http://www.nab.org/Newsroom/issues/digitaltv/DTVStations.asp
pretty much agrees.
I don't see any antenna recommendations there.
Channel 23.x is wrong on checkhd. I live about 35
miles from the towers in 90274 and get all the stations except
San Bernardino on both the HDTV Wonder and the Samsung TS-165
using a Winegard SquareShooter.
http://www.winegard.com/offair/squareshooter.htm
I'm not connected in any way with Winegard but have always had
good experiences with their antennas and amplifiers. The
SquareShooter is small enough that it can be installed even if
there are CCRs prohibiting antennas.
Which is nice if you have a strong, clean signal with little
multipath, which should be the case if you're 35 miles from the
antennas with no intervening high terrain.
Incidentally, Federal law overrides many attempts by various local
organizations to prohibit antennas. You might want to read
http://ftp.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/consumerdish.html>.
Glenn Gundlach
I thought that SquareShooter was there best urban area antenna?
"Urban area" is one step above rabbit ears. I have an array of
HD6065Ps with a tilter and there's one station that's still
intermittent.
The problem with HDTV is that the broadcasters are typically
transmitting their digital signal at 1/10 or less the power level of
their analog signal, while the antenna manufacturers base their range
figures on the assumption that they're transmitting digital at the
same signal level as analog.
In conjunction with that, HD doesn't degrade gracefully, it's either
there or not.
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Its a little better than 'a step above rabbit ears' Average gain 4.5 dB
but NO rabbit ears get 13 dB front to back ratio. Its reasonable
performance and much better looking for what it does.
John, is that a typo on the HD6065P model number? It looks to me like
that is an FM only antenna. What am I missing?
HD9095P, don't know why I turned the "9"s upside down.
Glenn Gundlach
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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
You said you have a tilt mount so I assmume the antennas are vertically
spaced, 2-3 feet apart with matched leads to the combiner? That would
narrow the vertical beam width. Have you tried horizontal or diagonal
spacing to narrow the horizontal beamwidth? Or are you REALLY into this
and have a quad stack?
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Horizontal.
| Quote: | I take it you're in a difficult reception area. What city? Are there
any analog UHF stations of similar channel and tower location to see
the multipath?
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North of Hartford, CT. The particular station is on the other side of what
passes around here for a mountain--according to the numbers the signal path
clears it by about 100 feet. Antennaweb says I need a medium directional
with pre-amp. I can barely get _analog_ off it with that and it's a 3
million watt station in analog vs something like 200kw in digital. funny
thing--there's another station near it that transmits HD on channel 10 that
comes in just fine--I presume that the difference is due to the different
frequency.
They've improved their system though--at one time they were telling me that
I could pick up digital broadcast from Boston with a "large
multi-directional"--at least they're no longer trying to sell _that_
fantasy.
| Quote: | Its easy and difficult in LA. Easy because most of the transmitters are
on Mt Wilson. Difficult because there are lots of hills.
Glenn Gundlach
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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Danny Greaves
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:56 am Post subject:
Re: Is HDTV Wonder gettting improved? |
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-- snip -- -- snip --
| Quote: | snip
Channel 23.x is wrong on checkhd. I live about 35
miles from the towers in 90274 and get all the stations except
San Bernardino on both the HDTV Wonder and the Samsung TS-165
using a Winegard SquareShooter.
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I noticed that checkhd shows two stations broadcasting using your zip
code at 23.*. Interesting...
KTBN = 33 miles at 16*
KVMD = 90 miles at 63*
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| Quote: | I thought that SquareShooter was there best urban area antenna?
"Urban area" is one step above rabbit ears. I have an array of
HD6065Ps with a tilter and there's one station that's still
intermittent.
The problem with HDTV is that the broadcasters are typically
transmitting their digital signal at 1/10 or less the power level of
their analog signal, while the antenna manufacturers base their range
figures on the assumption that they're transmitting digital at the
same signal level as analog.
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Winguard charts show show a longer range for a digital over analog signal
in there specifications.
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In conjunction with that, HD doesn't degrade gracefully, it's either
there or not.
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Ya any digital, cell phones really suck when that happens.
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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Its a little better than 'a step above rabbit ears' Average gain 4.5 dB
but NO rabbit ears get 13 dB front to back ratio. Its reasonable
performance and much better looking for what it does.
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Thank's for saving me a few bucks. I was planning on buying a SquareShooter to
replace the 'ugly' multi-element antenna on my (90630 zip code) roof. But at 35 miles with a load
of five tv tuners I guess im stuck with my big ugly antenna.
oh well. At least S.C.E (electric co.) has finally repaired the power line insulators causing my noisy
signal problems.
Finally, First trying to contact the correct department. Then the RTVI technician had a two month
back log. Then it was another six month wait for them to get around to scheduling the repair order.
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: Is HDTV Wonder gettting improved? |
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Danny Greaves wrote:
| Quote: | -- snip -- -- snip --
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Channel 23.x is wrong on checkhd. I live about 35
miles from the towers in 90274 and get all the stations except
San Bernardino on both the HDTV Wonder and the Samsung TS-165
using a Winegard SquareShooter.
I noticed that checkhd shows two stations broadcasting using your zip
code at 23.*. Interesting...
KTBN = 33 miles at 16*
KVMD = 90 miles at 63*
-- snip -- -- snip --
I thought that SquareShooter was there best urban area antenna?
"Urban area" is one step above rabbit ears. I have an array of
HD6065Ps with a tilter and there's one station that's still
intermittent.
The problem with HDTV is that the broadcasters are typically
transmitting their digital signal at 1/10 or less the power level of
their analog signal, while the antenna manufacturers base their range
figures on the assumption that they're transmitting digital at the
same signal level as analog.
Winguard charts show show a longer range for a digital over analog signal
in there specifications.
In conjunction with that, HD doesn't degrade gracefully, it's either
there or not.
Ya any digital, cell phones really suck when that happens.
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Its a little better than 'a step above rabbit ears' Average gain 4.5 dB
but NO rabbit ears get 13 dB front to back ratio. Its reasonable
performance and much better looking for what it does.
Thank's for saving me a few bucks. I was planning on buying a SquareShooter to
replace the 'ugly' multi-element antenna on my (90630 zip code) roof. But at 35 miles with a load
of five tv tuners I guess im stuck with my big ugly antenna.
oh well. At least S.C.E (electric co.) has finally repaired the power line insulators causing my noisy
signal problems.
Finally, First trying to contact the correct department. Then the RTVI technician had a two month
back log. Then it was another six month wait for them to get around to scheduling the repair order.
--end
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Hi danny,
I bet you can use the SS-2000 SquareShooter with the preamp in the
antenna. At 35 miles there is little risk of overloading the preamp and
the added gain will make up for the splitter loss.
BTW, channel 23 digital IS Trinity Broadcast (KTBN DT). KVMD shows up
on 2 different carriers.. I don't care either way.
Glenn Gundlach |
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Danny Greaves
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject:
Re: Is HDTV Wonder gettting improved? |
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stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:
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Danny Greaves wrote:
-- snip -- -- snip --
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Channel 23.x is wrong on checkhd. I live about 35
miles from the towers in 90274 and get all the stations except
San Bernardino on both the HDTV Wonder and the Samsung TS-165
using a Winegard SquareShooter.
I noticed that checkhd shows two stations broadcasting using your zip
code at 23.*. Interesting...
KTBN = 33 miles at 16*
KVMD = 90 miles at 63*
-- snip -- -- snip --
I thought that SquareShooter was there best urban area antenna?
"Urban area" is one step above rabbit ears. I have an array of
HD6065Ps with a tilter and there's one station that's still
intermittent.
The problem with HDTV is that the broadcasters are typically
transmitting their digital signal at 1/10 or less the power level of
their analog signal, while the antenna manufacturers base their range
figures on the assumption that they're transmitting digital at the
same signal level as analog.
Winguard charts show show a longer range for a digital over analog signal
in there specifications.
In conjunction with that, HD doesn't degrade gracefully, it's either
there or not.
Ya any digital, cell phones really suck when that happens.
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Its a little better than 'a step above rabbit ears' Average gain 4.5 dB
but NO rabbit ears get 13 dB front to back ratio. Its reasonable
performance and much better looking for what it does.
Thank's for saving me a few bucks. I was planning on buying a SquareShooter to
replace the 'ugly' multi-element antenna on my (90630 zip code) roof. But at 35 miles with a load
of five tv tuners I guess im stuck with my big ugly antenna.
oh well. At least S.C.E (electric co.) has finally repaired the power line insulators causing my noisy
signal problems.
Finally, First trying to contact the correct department. Then the RTVI technician had a two month
back log. Then it was another six month wait for them to get around to scheduling the repair order.
--end
Hi danny,
I bet you can use the SS-2000 SquareShooter with the preamp in the
antenna. At 35 miles there is little risk of overloading the preamp and
the added gain will make up for the splitter loss.
BTW, channel 23 digital IS Trinity Broadcast (KTBN DT). KVMD shows up
on 2 different carriers.. I don't care either way.
Glenn Gundlach
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Thanks for the help.
I'll have to take a look. Or maybe call them at a number listed in there FAQ. (800) 228-8094 ext-675
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abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:50 am Post subject:
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FYI, for people who wants a mapped HDTV(TV) stations directions.
<http://antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx>
Use address is more accurate. Zipcode might give you wrong Compass
Orientation.
On 29 Oct 2005 22:36:18 -0700, "Rush" <allenriley@gmail.com> wrote:
=>I own the HDTV Wonder and the AIW 8500DV. In answer to your
question
=>about using it with the 8500DV, there is one problem. The 8500DV
=>doesn't support DirectX 9.0 or above. Even though it passes the
tests
=>when you put it through them, it is not capable of performing
certain,
=>specific jobs made possible by DirectX 9.0 and above.
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=>In my case, the HDTV Wonder found most of the local Digital TV
OTA(Over
=>The Air) broadcast stations in the area. It showed the local ABC
=>affiliate station just fine. I could hear the CBS station very
=>clearly, but there was no video. The difference is that ABC
broadcasts
=>the 720p hdtv standard (1280 x 720 progressive), but, CBS comes in
at
=>1080i (1920 x 1080 interlaced). The 1080i broadcasts require some
=>DirectX 9.0 functions that cannot be performed by the 8500DV card.
=>
=>If you check the ATI web site, ATI points out that the HDTV Wonder
=>needs either their Radeon (or AIW) 9550 video card or above to be
fully
I have a HP A1110N(On sale fry's $400) which has only 3 PCI slots.
So I get a Diamond 9250 PCI 256MB(claims to support dx9) from Newegg
for around $45.00.
I got ATI HDTV from Buy.com on sale and rebate for ~$110.00
Got 1gb pc3200 from Fry's on sale for around $70.00
Install/uninstall couple times and finally get everything right.
My house is at the end of Santa Ana river and Ocean. The view to the
LA mountain is block by my neighbor's second floor.
I can watch 2, 4, 5, 9, 11, 18, 28, 30, 50, 58...and a bunch of
Spanish stations which are all 40+ miles away with ATI antena.
Diamond 9250 does run fine with HDTV wonder. No problem to run Far Cry
800x600. Have not try other modes. Onboard Intel video does not
interfere with HDTV or gaming. As matter of fact, I can have 3
displays at the same time(1 intel onboard, 2 ati 9250).
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814103167>
Unfortunately, I have 1600x1200 monitor and have not much use for
extra displays
--snip snip--
BTW. Fry's has Compaq sr1620nx on sale for 399.99.
<http://shopping.ocregister.com/rop/ads.aspx?adid=2199508&advid=179018&type=>
1620 has better setup tham a1110n with onboard ATI 300.
All you need to do is plug in HTDV wonder and probably add more ram.
Don't be fool by the 250W psu. Mime run great with its 250W psu.
You can search 1620 info in HP web site. You might want to try less
crowded Fry's store(ie Anaheim) for it. |
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