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Don R. · Guest

Has anyone had any success scanning 35 mm slides on this scanner? The
reflective 'Slide Adapter' is virtually useless as best I can figure.

Thanks for any assistance anyone can give.

Don R.
<odatdon@REMOVETHIStelus.net

Don R. · Guest

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:27:32 GMT, Don R. <odatdon@REMOVETHIStelus.net>
wrote:

Lorenzo J. Lucchini · Guest

Don R. wrote:

winddancing · Guest

Slides depend on light going through them. A "lid" made of light fits over
the copy-glass and the copy light is not used at all. The Transparency
Adapter plugs into the back of the scanner and becomes the light source. In
most cases, most cases, this will not produce "useable" images; rather, only
POU: point of use. These can help with choosing or layout but not to
actually make prints. The specifics of your scanner are unknown to me so
the above comment is just for the general idea of "copying slides with a
flatbed".

Lorenzo J. Lucchini · Guest

winddancing wrote:

John · Guest

"Don R." <odatdon@REMOVETHIStelus.net> wrote in message
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[quote]On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:27:32 GMT, Don R. <odatdon@REMOVETHIStelus.net
wrote:

Has anyone had any success scanning 35 mm slides on this scanner? The
reflective 'Slide Adapter' is virtually useless as best I can figure.

Thanks for any assistance anyone can give.

Don R.
odatdon@REMOVETHIStelus.net

No one ever responded to this message, so I'm asking again!!

Can anyone help me get a decent scan of a 35 mm slide with the HP
ScanJet C6200 series??

Thanks!
[/quote]
I doubt that it is possible to get a 'decent' scan of a 35mm slide with this
scanner. I used to have an HP6350, (still have, never use), which had the
slide light source adapter. This is simply a light unit which plugs into the
back of the scanner and sits on the scanner glass over the slide. The unit
is made of plastic, and one side effect was that the vibration from the
scanner stepper motor caused the adapter's plastic feet to mill grooves in
the scanner glass. That's HP engineering for you!

The shadow noise was unacceptable - forget any dark or underexposed slides,
it just cannot be done. Also, IIRC, the max resolution of these scanners is
1200ppi - hardly enough for 35mm originals if you want anything more than a
5x7 print. I did use the unit when I had nothing better, but I wouldn't
describe anything I got from it as 'decent'. I did get some 'tolerable'
results from some medium format trannies though, correctly exposed I might
add.

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John
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Don · Guest

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:28:16 GMT, Don R. <odatdon@REMOVETHIStelus.net>
wrote:

[quote]Has anyone had any success scanning 35 mm slides on this scanner? The
reflective 'Slide Adapter' is virtually useless as best I can figure.

Thanks for any assistance anyone can give.

Don R.
odatdon@REMOVETHIStelus.net

No one ever responded to this message, so I'm asking again!!

Can anyone help me get a decent scan of a 35 mm slide with the HP
ScanJet C6200 series??
[/quote]
Well, you got lots of responses now! ;o)

Seriously though, the original question was very vague which is
probably why people did not respond. You have to be more specific. Are
you referring to quality of scans? Or, are you unable to get any scans
at all i.e. can't get the Adapter working? Etc.

Judging from your follow-up it appears you can get a scan out but
you're not happy with the quality ("can't get a decent scan").

If that's correct, as others have mentioned, scanning film with a
flatbed has limitations. However, depending on your
requirements/expectations (!) one can get "acceptable" results.

What are the specific problems you're experiencing? Are scans too
dark? Too light? Have a cast?

In many cases it also helps to post an example. This is not a binary
group, so upload a sample image somewhere and post a link to it.

Don.

Don R. · Guest

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:09:38 +0200, Don <phoney.email@yahoo.com>
wrote:

[quote]On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:28:16 GMT, Don R. <odatdon@REMOVETHIStelus.net
wrote:

Has anyone had any success scanning 35 mm slides on this scanner? The
reflective 'Slide Adapter' is virtually useless as best I can figure.

Well, you got lots of responses now! ;o)
[/quote]
I sure did, and am thankful to all.
[quote]
Seriously though, the original question was very vague which is
probably why people did not respond. You have to be more specific. Are
you referring to quality of scans? Or, are you unable to get any scans
at all i.e. can't get the Adapter working? Etc.
[/quote]
I'll try to be more specific about my problem.

The HP Scanjet C6200 series is a great scanner; does even photos
really well.

However, it comes with sort of a Mickey Mouse type 'ScanJet Slide
Adapter' made out of hard plastic. The best way I can describe it is
it's sort of like a tarpaulin, longer than wide draped over a frame,
resulting in a 90 degree triangle in shape. The 90 degree angle is at
the top. It's a bout 3 inches x 2 inches along the open side which
rests on the glass.

The 2 sides each have a polished metal reflector on the top of the
interior. The 35 mm slide is placed under the left side of the
'adapter', which is placed in the upper right side of the scanner bed.
As best I can figure, the light from the scanner is supposed to strike
the right side, be reflected to the left side and then down thru the
slide.

When I scan a slide, it's necessary to reduce the scan size so as not
to include the cardboard frame of the slide. The resulting 'scan' is a
the size of a typical 35 mm film frame and is too dark to determine
what the picture is.

I hope this provides sufficient info for someone to supply some
assistance.

[quote]In many cases it also helps to post an example. This is not a binary
group, so upload a sample image somewhere and post a link to it.
[/quote]
I wouldn't know where to begin. Sorry.

Thanks for whatever help anyone can provide.

Don R.
<odatdon@REMOVETHIStelus.net

Lorenzo J. Lucchini · Guest

Don R. wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:09:38 +0200, Don <phoney.email@yahoo.com
wrote:

[snip]

In many cases it also helps to post an example. This is not a binary
group, so upload a sample image somewhere and post a link to it.

I wouldn't know where to begin. Sorry.

Thanks for whatever help anyone can provide.
[/quote]
Send an image to ljlbox at gmail dot com if you want, I'll publish it
somewhere on the web.
Use TIFF and avoid JPEG, if bandwidth allows and if it's less than 10Mb.

by LjL
ljlbox@tiscali.it

Fred Toewe · Guest

Don,

You *CANNOT* get a decent slide or negative scan using that scanner. I have
the same scanner and the same triangular "mirror" slide adapter . If you
want anything lilke a decent scan, you'll need to use a real file/slide
scanner - not a flatbed scanner.

The 6200 series front illuminates the image to be scanned. A slide or
negative needs back illumination. The slide adapter tries to accomplish
this with mirrors but can only provide *some* back illumination. So at
best, you're getting half reflected and half transmitted light from your
slide. *ALL* of the reflected light is contrast reducing glare/flare.

Plus, as others have stated, the 1200 dpi limitation is pretty severe by
today's standards.

Fred

Don · Guest

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:38:48 GMT, Don R. <odatdon@REMOVETHIStelus.net>
wrote:

[quote]The 2 sides each have a polished metal reflector on the top of the
interior. The 35 mm slide is placed under the left side of the
'adapter', which is placed in the upper right side of the scanner bed.
As best I can figure, the light from the scanner is supposed to strike
the right side, be reflected to the left side and then down thru the
slide.

When I scan a slide, it's necessary to reduce the scan size so as not
to include the cardboard frame of the slide. The resulting 'scan' is a
the size of a typical 35 mm film frame and is too dark to determine
what the picture is.
[/quote]
That strongly indicates that the film is not properly illuminated
and/or the "film mode" is not really on and you're scanning the bottom
of the film like a photograph.

I'm not familiar with HP Scanjet C6200 so someone else will have to
jump in but the adapter you describe does sound like a very weird
contraption. For one, the reflected light will always be weaker than
direct light from below which will therefore always drown it. The
result would, indeed, be a very dark scan.

As someone else mentioned most flatbeds have a light source in the lid
for this purpose. This light then illuminates the slide from above. At
the same time the scanner lamp (under the glass) is turned off so as
not to interfere.

So - and I'm only guessing here - but have you opened the lid and
examined it for this light source? It's usually hidden behind a
removable cover. On my flatbed (Mustek BearPaw 4800TA Pro) there's a
tab I have to pull and a strip comes out revealing the "milky" glass
to diffuse the light.

[quote]In many cases it also helps to post an example. This is not a binary
group, so upload a sample image somewhere and post a link to it.

I wouldn't know where to begin. Sorry.
[/quote]
Oh no, please don't apologize. It was not meant as a criticism in any
way, just an explanation.

Examples are posted only rarely. Not everybody has web space for this
purpose and in most cases there's no need for an example anyway.

Don.

Don R. · Guest

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:28:30 +0200, Don <phoney.email@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Don R. · Guest

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:28:30 +0200, Don <phoney.email@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Ken Weitzel · Guest

Don R. wrote:

Don R. · Guest

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:41:31 GMT, Ken Weitzel <kweitzel@shaw.ca>
wrote:

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