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Bill Z Bubb
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:56 pm Post subject:
Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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I have a couple of drives that were taken out of an IBM iSeries (AS/400)
that I'm now trying to use in a Dell 1600SC.
I know that they needed to be formatted to 512 byte sectors from their 520
and the built-in controller did this just fine once the Force SE jumpers
were removed.
The problem is that the controller responds with "Device Not Responding"
with these drives. The controller works fine with others, but not these.
They are IBM 36Z15's and Seagate ST336753LW's.
I have tried them both with and without other devices on the cable and it
always responds the same. What would cause the controller to be able to
manipulate these drives inside it's utility, but say they are not
responding outside of it?
Bill |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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"Bill Z Bubb" <billzbubb@netscape.fishing.net> wrote in message news:1128012970.1bda8ada45b025b249ec8a0a01d25b4b@teranews
| Quote: | I have a couple of drives that were taken out of an IBM iSeries (AS/400)
that I'm now trying to use in a Dell 1600SC.
I know that they needed to be formatted to 512 byte sectors from their 520
and the built-in controller did this just fine
once the Force SE jumpers were removed.
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Huh?
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The problem is that the controller responds with
"Device Not Responding"
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You sure?
| Quote: | with these drives. The controller works fine with others, but not these.
They are IBM 36Z15's and Seagate ST336753LW's.
I have tried them both with and without other devices on the cable and it
always responds the same.
What would cause the controller to be able to manipulate these drives
inside it's utility, but say they are not responding outside of it?
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Oh? What makes you conclude that? No sign of that in your post.
Something you are not telling?
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Jeremy Boden
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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In message <1128012970.1bda8ada45b025b249ec8a0a01d25b4b@teranews>, Bill
Z Bubb <billzbubb@netscape.fishing.net> writes
| Quote: | I have a couple of drives that were taken out of an IBM iSeries (AS/400)
that I'm now trying to use in a Dell 1600SC.
I know that they needed to be formatted to 512 byte sectors from their 520
and the built-in controller did this just fine once the Force SE jumpers
were removed.
The problem is that the controller responds with "Device Not Responding"
with these drives. The controller works fine with others, but not these.
They are IBM 36Z15's and Seagate ST336753LW's.
I have tried them both with and without other devices on the cable and it
always responds the same. What would cause the controller to be able to
manipulate these drives inside it's utility, but say they are not
responding outside of it?
How did you re-format them if the device is not responding? |
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Bill Z Bubb
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:06 am Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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Jeremy Boden wrote:
| Quote: | I have a couple of drives that were taken out of an IBM iSeries
(AS/400) that I'm now trying to use in a Dell 1600SC.
I know that they needed to be formatted to 512 byte sectors from
their 520 and the built-in controller did this just fine once the
Force SE jumpers were removed.
The problem is that the controller responds with "Device Not
Responding" with these drives. The controller works fine with
others, but not these. They are IBM 36Z15's and Seagate ST336753LW's.
I have tried them both with and without other devices on the cable
and it always responds the same. What would cause the controller to
be able to manipulate these drives inside it's utility, but say they
are not responding outside of it?
How did you re-format them if the device is not responding?
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That's the point! The controller will process them -inside- of it's
built-in utility program no problem.
Unless you mis-understood that the formatting was the low level formatting,
not O/S formatting.
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Jeremy Boden
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:27 am Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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In message <1128031613.97b5365b7ec436f95916ac0f453ee26d@teranews>, Bill
Z Bubb <billzbubb@netscape.fishing.net> writes
| Quote: | Jeremy Boden wrote:
I have a couple of drives that were taken out of an IBM iSeries
(AS/400) that I'm now trying to use in a Dell 1600SC.
I know that they needed to be formatted to 512 byte sectors from
their 520 and the built-in controller did this just fine once the
Force SE jumpers were removed.
The problem is that the controller responds with "Device Not
Responding" with these drives. The controller works fine with
others, but not these. They are IBM 36Z15's and Seagate ST336753LW's.
I have tried them both with and without other devices on the cable
and it always responds the same. What would cause the controller to
be able to manipulate these drives inside it's utility, but say they
are not responding outside of it?
How did you re-format them if the device is not responding?
That's the point! The controller will process them -inside- of it's
built-in utility program no problem.
Unless you mis-understood that the formatting was the low level formatting,
not O/S formatting.
It was obvious that you were talking about formatting done by the |
controller.
You mention that you had to remove the "Force SE" - but any disk will
work in SE mode (albeit more slowly) - does this have any significance?
How do you know that the re-format to 512 byte sectors actually worked?
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Bill Z Bubb
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:48 am Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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Jeremy Boden wrote:
| Quote: | How did you re-format them if the device is not responding?
That's the point! The controller will process them -inside- of it's
built-in utility program no problem.
Unless you mis-understood that the formatting was the low level
formatting, not O/S formatting.
It was obvious that you were talking about formatting done by the
controller.
You mention that you had to remove the "Force SE" - but any disk will
work in SE mode (albeit more slowly) - does this have any
significance?
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It might. The controller sort of "froze" whenever it came time to start
running through the id's (it never got to 0). I guess I could put the
Force SE back on and see if it ever does anything.
| Quote: | How do you know that the re-format to 512 byte sectors actually
worked?
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It says it did. Took about 8 minutes. The controller also could do a
verify.
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The Moojit
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:16 am Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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"Bill Z Bubb" <billzbubb@netscape.fishing.net> wrote in message
news:1128034132.0da05d5c641f4b339cc56f70f47b7e7f@teranews...
| Quote: | Jeremy Boden wrote:
How did you re-format them if the device is not responding?
That's the point! The controller will process them -inside- of it's
built-in utility program no problem.
Unless you mis-understood that the formatting was the low level
formatting, not O/S formatting.
It was obvious that you were talking about formatting done by the
controller.
You mention that you had to remove the "Force SE" - but any disk will
work in SE mode (albeit more slowly) - does this have any
significance?
It might. The controller sort of "froze" whenever it came time to start
running through the id's (it never got to 0). I guess I could put the
Force SE back on and see if it ever does anything.
How do you know that the re-format to 512 byte sectors actually
worked?
It says it did. Took about 8 minutes. The controller also could do a
verify.
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If the Dell Server is running a version of Windows NT, try this utility. It
will scan all scsi devices attached to the system and you can perform
low-level format on SCSI block devices...
http://www.moojit.net/Progs/Scsiutil/scsidemo.zip
http://www.moojit.net/Networking/scsiwin.shtml -> Help
The Moojit
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Bill Z Bubb
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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The Moojit wrote:
I downloaded and installed it on my pc (W2K), it has a much slower
controller, but it seems to be acting the same way.
The software does see the drive, I've formatted it and am now running the
Diagnostics. What should I be looking for from the software?
W2K's disk manager does not see the drive.
Bill |
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The Moojit
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:26 am Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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"Bill Z Bubb" <billzbubb@netscape.fishing.net> wrote in message
news:1128098055.fbefe89b6bf276e3c78b8f8aef90d243@teranews...
| Quote: | The Moojit wrote:
If the Dell Server is running a version of Windows NT, try this
utility. It will scan all scsi devices attached to the system and
you can perform low-level format on SCSI block devices...
http://www.moojit.net/Progs/Scsiutil/scsidemo.zip
I downloaded and installed it on my pc (W2K), it has a much slower
controller, but it seems to be acting the same way.
The software does see the drive, I've formatted it and am now running the
Diagnostics. What should I be looking for from the software?
W2K's disk manager does not see the drive.
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This utility allows you to format the drives. The Diagnostics will verify
the drive is okay. If the drive is visible to SCSI Utility then it should
be visible to disk manager.
The Moojit
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Folkert Rienstra
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:11 pm Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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"The Moojit" <moojit@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:zOm%e.384$Q53.190@tornado.texas.rr.com...
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"Bill Z Bubb" <billzbubb@netscape.fishing.net> wrote in message
news:1128098055.fbefe89b6bf276e3c78b8f8aef90d243@teranews...
The Moojit wrote:
If the Dell Server is running a version of Windows NT, try this
utility. It will scan all scsi devices attached to the system and
you can perform low-level format on SCSI block devices...
http://www.moojit.net/Progs/Scsiutil/scsidemo.zip
I downloaded and installed it on my pc (W2K), it has a much slower
controller, but it seems to be acting the same way.
The software does see the drive, I've formatted it and am now running the
Diagnostics. What should I be looking for from the software?
W2K's disk manager does not see the drive.
This utility allows you to format the drives. The Diagnostics will verify
the drive is okay.
If the drive is visible to SCSI Utility then it should be visible to disk manager.
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Not necessarily, if it checks data access capability and shows it depending on that outcome.
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Bill Z Bubb
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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The Moojit wrote:
| Quote: | The software does see the drive, I've formatted it and am now
running the Diagnostics. What should I be looking for from the
software?
W2K's disk manager does not see the drive.
This utility allows you to format the drives. The Diagnostics will
verify the drive is okay. If the drive is visible to SCSI Utility
then it should be visible to disk manager.
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Ok, I ran the diagnostics portion of your software and it froze during the
BIST EXTENDED test.
Bill |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:41 am Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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"Bill Z Bubb" <billzbubb@netscape.fishing.net> wrote in message news:1128357864.d6b6fc1ca6957ebf386631bf9ec7666d@teranews
| Quote: | The Moojit wrote:
The software does see the drive, I've formatted it and am now
running the Diagnostics. What should I be looking for from the
software?
W2K's disk manager does not see the drive.
This utility allows you to format the drives. The Diagnostics will
verify the drive is okay. If the drive is visible to SCSI Utility
then it should be visible to disk manager.
Ok, I ran the diagnostics portion of your software and it froze during the
BIST EXTENDED test.
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Anyone ever had success with the one and only super-duper
'The Moojit's SCSI Utility for Windows',
that only runs on some -but not all- Windowses?
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The Moojit
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Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:24 am Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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"Bill Z Bubb" <billzbubb@netscape.fishing.net> wrote in message
news:1128357864.d6b6fc1ca6957ebf386631bf9ec7666d@teranews...
| Quote: | The Moojit wrote:
The software does see the drive, I've formatted it and am now
running the Diagnostics. What should I be looking for from the
software?
W2K's disk manager does not see the drive.
This utility allows you to format the drives. The Diagnostics will
verify the drive is okay. If the drive is visible to SCSI Utility
then it should be visible to disk manager.
Ok, I ran the diagnostics portion of your software and it froze during the
BIST EXTENDED test.
Was the percentage sign still incrementing? It may take up to 30 mins to |
complete extended BIST depending on the device type.
The Moojit
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Bill Z Bubb
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Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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The Moojit wrote:
| Quote: | Ok, I ran the diagnostics portion of your software and it froze
during the BIST EXTENDED test.
Was the percentage sign still incrementing? It may take up to 30
mins to complete extended BIST depending on the device type.
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No. I ran it again and it froze again at around 93%. I could tell it
froze because the timer stopped incrementing as well as the percentage even
after a couple of hours stuck at 93.
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The Moojit
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Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Controller Utility can work on drives, but not use them |
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"Bill Z Bubb" <billzbubb@netscape.fishing.net> wrote in message
news:1128357864.d6b6fc1ca6957ebf386631bf9ec7666d@teranews...
| Quote: | The Moojit wrote:
The software does see the drive, I've formatted it and am now
running the Diagnostics. What should I be looking for from the
software?
W2K's disk manager does not see the drive.
This utility allows you to format the drives. The Diagnostics will
verify the drive is okay. If the drive is visible to SCSI Utility
then it should be visible to disk manager.
Ok, I ran the diagnostics portion of your software and it froze during the
BIST EXTENDED test.
Bill
I would suggest running the test again and scroll the screen all the way to |
the right to see if any errors are being returned by the BIST.
Irregardless, app should not lock.
The Moojit |
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