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partimegeek
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Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:15 pm Post subject:
General problem w/ scuzzy |
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Hello,
This is my first experience building a SCSI box. I was expecting to be
able to hit the delete key at start-up to go to bios, but apparently
the adaptec controller overrides this procedure and provides its own
bios, which doesn't offer a boot order. The configuration utility
recognizes my Barracuda set at 0, the controller set at 7, the cd-rom
set at 5, but NOT the floppy drive (Teac FD-235HS 715). Teac says
they do not provide drivers for this unit, and that I must write my
own...so I guess I'm screwed there!! I thought at least it would
function at its default jumper settings.
Here's the next problem: the floppy issue aside, while posting it
searches for the floppy boot record, can't locate one, and
continually asks to insert the disk into drive A and hit enter. Well,
can I bypass this by booting from the cd like I can with an ide drive?
If so, HOW!! I'm just trying to install an OS, but it seems to be
insisting that I boot from a floppy that it doesn't even see!!!
Other questions...Can I use a regular floppy with an FD cable when
using a scsi drive? Is the motherboard bios even working or is it being
completely bypassed by the scsi controller bios?
My controller is an Adaptec 2940U2W, mobo is an ICS Elitegroup P6VEM3
w/ VIA C3 1gig processor onboard. Video and sound also onboard. Bios is
AMI 2MB Flash rom. To my knowledge, all terminations are correct.
This is a learning experience for me...I would appreciate any
suggestions. |
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Rob Turk
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Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:49 pm Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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"partimegeek" <rettro1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1126890907.579622.168050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Hello,
This is my first experience building a SCSI box. I was expecting to be
able to hit the delete key at start-up to go to bios, but apparently
the adaptec controller overrides this procedure and provides its own
bios, which doesn't offer a boot order. The configuration utility
recognizes my Barracuda set at 0, the controller set at 7, the cd-rom
set at 5, but NOT the floppy drive (Teac FD-235HS 715). Teac says
they do not provide drivers for this unit, and that I must write my
own...so I guess I'm screwed there!! I thought at least it would
function at its default jumper settings.
Here's the next problem: the floppy issue aside, while posting it
searches for the floppy boot record, can't locate one, and
continually asks to insert the disk into drive A and hit enter. Well,
can I bypass this by booting from the cd like I can with an ide drive?
If so, HOW!! I'm just trying to install an OS, but it seems to be
insisting that I boot from a floppy that it doesn't even see!!!
Other questions...Can I use a regular floppy with an FD cable when
using a scsi drive? Is the motherboard bios even working or is it being
completely bypassed by the scsi controller bios?
My controller is an Adaptec 2940U2W, mobo is an ICS Elitegroup P6VEM3
w/ VIA C3 1gig processor onboard. Video and sound also onboard. Bios is
AMI 2MB Flash rom. To my knowledge, all terminations are correct.
This is a learning experience for me...I would appreciate any
suggestions.
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The Adaptec BIOS is an extension to your motherboard BIOS, it does not
replace the standard BIOS. You should be able to use a normal floppy drive
with your motherboard just fine. If you hit <DEL> for your motherboard BIOS,
then it should come up normally once the Adaptec BIOS has completed it's
scan.
SCSI floppy drives are rare species and not well supported. If you insist on
having it hooked up and your system tries to boot from it then I'd suggest
entering the Adaptec BIOS (CTRL-A), and set the 'Include in BIOS scan'
parameter for it's SCSI address to 'NO'. That way the SCSI floppy will not
be detected until an operating system scans the SCSI bus again.
CD-ROM boot support from SCSI CD-ROM drives can be enable/disabled from the
Adaptec BIOS as well. When enabled you should be able to use a bootable
CD-ROM.
You could also still hook up an IDE CD-ROM to the motherboard if all else
fails..
Rob |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:39 am Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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"Rob Turk" <_wipe_me_r.turk@chello.nl> wrote in message news:KsEWe.1341$le5.1234@amstwist00...
| Quote: | "partimegeek" <rettro1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:1126890907.579622.168050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hello,
This is my first experience building a SCSI box. I was expecting to be
able to hit the delete key at start-up to go to bios, but apparently
the adaptec controller overrides this procedure and provides its own
bios, which doesn't offer a boot order. The configuration utility
recognizes my Barracuda set at 0, the controller set at 7, the cd-rom
set at 5, but NOT the floppy drive (Teac FD-235HS 715). Teac says
they do not provide drivers for this unit, and that I must write my
own...so I guess I'm screwed there!! I thought at least it would
function at its default jumper settings.
Here's the next problem: the floppy issue aside, while posting it
searches for the floppy boot record, can't locate one, and
continually asks to insert the disk into drive A and hit enter. Well,
can I bypass this by booting from the cd like I can with an ide drive?
If so, HOW!! I'm just trying to install an OS, but it seems to be
insisting that I boot from a floppy that it doesn't even see!!!
Other questions...Can I use a regular floppy with an FD cable when
using a scsi drive? Is the motherboard bios even working or is it being
completely bypassed by the scsi controller bios?
My controller is an Adaptec 2940U2W, mobo is an ICS Elitegroup P6VEM3
w/ VIA C3 1gig processor onboard. Video and sound also onboard. Bios is
AMI 2MB Flash rom. To my knowledge, all terminations are correct.
This is a learning experience for me...I would appreciate any suggestions.
The Adaptec BIOS is an extension to your motherboard BIOS, it does not
replace the standard BIOS. You should be able to use a normal floppy drive
with your motherboard just fine.
If you hit <DEL> for your motherboard BIOS, then it should
come up normally once the Adaptec BIOS has completed it's scan.
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If the Adaptec bios starts it's already too late to enter the main bios.
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SCSI floppy drives are rare species and not well supported. If you insist on
having it hooked up and your system tries to boot from it then I'd suggest
entering the Adaptec BIOS (CTRL-A), and set the 'Include in BIOS scan'
parameter for it's SCSI address to 'NO'. That way the SCSI floppy will not
be detected until an operating system scans the SCSI bus again.
CD-ROM boot support from SCSI CD-ROM drives can be enable/disabled from the
Adaptec BIOS as well. When enabled you should be able to use a bootable CD-ROM.
You could also still hook up an IDE CD-ROM to the motherboard if all else fails..
Rob
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Folkert Rienstra
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:01 am Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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"partimegeek" <rettro1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:1126890907.579622.168050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Hello,
This is my first experience building a SCSI box. I was expecting to
be able to hit the delete key at start-up to go to bios, but apparently
the adaptec controller overrides this procedure and provides its own
bios, which doesn't offer a boot order.
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The 2940u2w does offer a bootorder:
"Select SCSI peripheral from which to boot"
| Quote: | The configuration utility recognizes my Barracuda
set at 0, the controller set at 7, the cd-rom set at 5,
but NOT the floppy drive (Teac FD-235HS 715).
Teac says they do not provide drivers for this unit, and that I must
write my own...so I guess I'm screwed there!!
I thought at least it would function at its default jumper settings.
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Which would be ID?
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Here's the next problem: the floppy issue aside, while posting it
searches for the floppy boot record, can't locate one, and
continually asks to insert the disk into drive A and hit enter.
Well, can I bypass this by booting from the cd like I can with an ide drive?
If so, HOW!!
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You want us to read the manual for you?
| Quote: | I'm just trying to install an OS, but it seems to be
insisting that I boot from a floppy that it doesn't even see!!!
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Maybe because the Floppy overlaps ID:0?
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Other questions...
Can I use a regular floppy with an FD cable when using a scsi drive?
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What kind of question is that?
| Quote: | Is the motherboard bios even working
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Of course it is.
| Quote: | or is it being completely bypassed by the scsi controller bios?
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What kind of question is that?
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My controller is an Adaptec 2940U2W, mobo is an ICS Elitegroup P6VEM3
w/ VIA C3 1gig processor onboard. Video and sound also onboard. Bios is
AMI 2MB Flash rom. To my knowledge, all terminations are correct.
This is a learning experience for me...
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You think?
| Quote: | I would appreciate any suggestions.
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partimegeek
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:14 am Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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Mr. Rienstra,
I appreciate your initial contributions to my questions, however, that
appreciation quickly turned to disgust and utter contempt as your
demeanor overtly became arrogant and condescending. In all likelyhood,
your technical knowledge in this field greatly surpasses mine, so what
is the point for such rude editorial comments? I'm sure that before
you became so knowledgable you were as ignorant on this subject as I am
now. We all must begin somewhere...yes?
Please, if you are for some reason uncomfortable with my query, don't
bother writing a response. As I stated in my first post, this is new to
me. My desire is to learn and better myself...in a cordial manner.
Charles |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:27 am Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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"partimegeek" <rettro1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:1126912456.897660.149270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Mr. Rienstra,
I appreciate your initial contributions to my questions, however, that
appreciation quickly turned to disgust and utter contempt as your
demeanor overtly became arrogant and condescending.
In all likelyhood,
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You'd think?
| Quote: | your technical knowledge in this field greatly surpasses mine,
so what is the point for such rude editorial comments?
I'm sure
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Now *you* are arrogant ...
| Quote: | that before you became so knowledgable you were as ignorant
on this subject as I am now.
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.... and condescending as well.
| Quote: | We all must begin somewhere...yes?
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Right, by starting out not to lie in our statements.
And at least show a bare mimimum of initiative.
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Please, if you are for some reason uncomfortable with my query, don't
bother writing a response.
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Feel free to not read them. Feel free to do your own research.
This is a discussion group, not a payed-for helpdesk.
| Quote: | As I stated in my first post, this is new to me.
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And what not.
| Quote: | My desire is to learn and better myself...in a cordial manner.
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Then get rid of the "I'm terminally stupid, please abuse me" image.
If you can find Google groups, you certainly can find Google.
If you don't want to be treated as a troll, then don't act like one, "partimegeek".
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PeterD
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:39:11 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra"
<see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote:
| Quote: | If you hit <DEL> for your motherboard BIOS, then it should
come up normally once the Adaptec BIOS has completed it's scan.
If the Adaptec bios starts it's already too late to enter the main bios.
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OK, for those who want it detailed, what the poster was saying:
Order, by time:
1. POST starts.
2. Hit DEL to enter BIOS (or F1, F2, or whatever key is required).
3. The Adaptec BIOS will run. (Do not hit ctrl-A!)
4. Once the Adeptc BIOS is finished the mother-board's BIOS setup will
run.
Change BIOS settings as necessary.
Save settings.
Re-boot.
Then configure the SCSI bios:
1. POST starts.
2. Adaptec BIOS starts.
3. hit CTRL-A to enter Adaptec BIOS.
4. Make necessary changes.
5. Save changes.
Re-boot.
Comment: Running a SCSI floppy makes *no* sense at all. |
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Rob Turk
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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"partimegeek" <rettro1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1126912456.897660.149270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Mr. Rienstra,
I appreciate your initial contributions to my questions, however, that
appreciation quickly turned to disgust and utter contempt as your
demeanor overtly became arrogant and condescending. In all likelyhood,
your technical knowledge in this field greatly surpasses mine, so what
is the point for such rude editorial comments? I'm sure that before
you became so knowledgable you were as ignorant on this subject as I am
now. We all must begin somewhere...yes?
Please, if you are for some reason uncomfortable with my query, don't
bother writing a response. As I stated in my first post, this is new to
me. My desire is to learn and better myself...in a cordial manner.
Charles
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Charles,
It's best to either get used to Folkert's charming personality, or put him
in your filter list. There's no way you will be able to persuade him to
behave like a decent human being, he will simply continue to be a dork
towards you, as well as anyone with the guts to enter 'his' newsgroup. There
is no hope for improvement, simply ignore him. Welcome to comp.periphs.scsi
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Rob |
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partimegeek
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:22 pm Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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I wish I had nothing better to do than exchange volleys with you...It
would be fun. I do, however, have limited time to devote to my hobby,
which happens to be building pc's. Yes, on occasion I do "troll" for
information...there's no shame in that. If the forum is there why not
utilize it?
You know, after further reflection, your name is familiar. You don't
happen to abuse folks on any of the linux forums, do you? You wouldn't
be the only one...there are many like you, unfortunately. You take
offense to the burden of dealing with problems that are beneath your
skill level. Or is it that by assessing the content of one post you can
discern the true motivation of the author and reveal deeply rooted
character issues?
I can assure you (or maybe I can't) that I never post on technical
forums without first doing research and after reaching a certain level
of frustration which leads me to that end.
| Quote: | Right, by starting out not to lie in our statements.
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How you came to conclude that I lied...God only knows!
| Quote: | This is a discussion group, not a payed-for helpdesk.
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Fine...but there can be no discussion without the transfer of
information, which is precisely what I am seeking when submitting a
post.
| Quote: | Then get rid of the "I'm terminally stupid, please abuse me" image.
If you can find Google groups, you certainly can find Google. |
If that's the image you see, I am truly hurt and saddened by this! I
shall immediately flail myself, weep, and knash my teeth!! |
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partimegeek
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:26 am Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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<Welcome to comp.periphs.scsi
And I must say what a warm welcome it was!
Hi Rob,
I appreciate your civility...and your answers, too.
I 've managed to change the boot order to cd first, and I shut off the
floppy from the bios scan. The post time has shortened but it still
searches for the floppy boot record, which fails, then it searches for
boot record from scsi...NOT FOUND
Then: boot failure
reboot and select proper boot device
or insert boot media in selected boot device
press any key when ready
Of course, I do have a disk in the cd drive. Its not a bad disk...I've
tried windows XP, NT, ME and SuSE, Redhat and Gentoo.
Pressing any key repeats the boot failure message from above.
Anyway, I'm still playing around with it. Thank you for any more
suggestions you might have.
Charles |
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PeterD
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:47 am Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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On 17 Sep 2005 12:26:13 -0700, "partimegeek" <rettro1@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | Welcome to comp.periphs.scsi
And I must say what a warm welcome it was!
Hi Rob,
I appreciate your civility...and your answers, too.
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Hey, we do have to have our entertainment! <bg> And it is easy to get
a good laugh from him... However, despite his many flaws, he does know
a little bit about SCSI. |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:22 am Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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"partimegeek" <rettro1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:1126981370.644191.282960@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
| Quote: | I wish I had nothing better to do than exchange volleys with you...It
would be fun. I do, however, have limited time to devote to my hobby,
which happens to be building pc's. Yes, on occasion I do "troll" for
information...there's no shame in that.
If the forum is there why not utilize it?
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If the resident experts decide that you haven't done enough to
warrant their help then you get helped by those that have no idea
themselfs but don't let that stop them to lead you up the wrong path.
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You know, after further reflection, your name is familiar. You don't
happen to abuse folks on any of the linux forums, do you? You wouldn't
be the only one...there are many like you, unfortunately. You take
offense to the burden of dealing with problems that are beneath your
skill level. Or is it that by assessing the content of one post you can
discern the true motivation of the author and reveal deeply rooted
character issues?
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Ahh, so you do know what was wrong with your post. ;-)
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I can assure you (or maybe I can't)
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That would be a tall order indeed.
| Quote: | that I never post on technical forums without first doing research and
after reaching a certain level of frustration which leads me to that end.
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Hard to believe when you can't even get the bootorder thingy right
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Right, by starting out not to lie in our statements.
How you came to conclude that I lied...God only knows!
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You can leave God out. God has nothing to do with it.
Just you snipping the evidence from the post.
Here it is again:
" ... the adaptec controller overrides this procedure and
provides its own bios, *which doesn't offer a boot order*.
Lie: "Which doesn't offer a boot order".
The 2940u2w *does* offer a bootorder:
"Select SCSI peripheral from which to boot"
That has been there since version 1.3x, long before the version 2.x ,
that came with the 2940U2W.
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This is a discussion group, not a payed-for helpdesk.
Fine...but there can be no discussion without the transfer of
information, which is precisely what I am seeking when submitting a
post.
Then get rid of the "I'm terminally stupid, please abuse me" image.
If you can find Google groups, you certainly can find Google.
If that's the image you see, I am truly hurt and saddened by this!
I shall immediately flail myself, weep, and knash my teeth!!
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And don't you dare skimp on it. |
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Rob Turk
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:26 am Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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"Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message
news:432f8234$1$66055$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
| Quote: | "partimegeek" <rettro1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1126981370.644191.282960@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
I wish I had nothing better to do than exchange volleys with you...It
would be fun. I do, however, have limited time to devote to my hobby,
which happens to be building pc's. Yes, on occasion I do "troll" for
information...there's no shame in that.
If the forum is there why not utilize it?
If the resident experts decide that you haven't done enough to
warrant their help then you get helped by those that have no idea
themselfs but don't let that stop them to lead you up the wrong path.
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<MIB>
"All Hail Folkert! All Hail Folkert!"
</MIB>
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partimegeek
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:26 am Post subject:
Re: General problem w/ scuzzy |
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Mr. Rienstra,
I'm an adult...with three sons, two of whom are grown and gone...and
I'm pretty certain parental experience has afforded me at least a basic
understanding of a lie. When I stated "...Which doesn't offer a boot
order", it was not with previous knowledge that a boot order was in
fact offered. I think you are already aware of this. In actual fact, I
purchased the scsi card on ebay as a pull with no user guide. I suppose
my crime was not copying a guide from the Adaptec website before
getting started...right? I now know with absolute certainty that a
boot order is offered! I made a mistake due to being in a hurry...I
did not lie.
I believe you are becoming transparent... You are a perfectionist who
enjoys splitting hairs. That's OK.
<If the resident experts decide that you haven't done enough to warrant
<their help...
Question: Why must classroom criteria be applied to this forum? Most
of us who post are seeking answers to problems we find difficult to
solve based on our varying degrees of limited experience. Although it
is true that finding ones own answers is usually the surest way to
remember them, life doesn't always give us the time we need to find
them in a complete fashion. Forums such as this should serve to
expedite things for us, not create more difficulty. I have completed
the obstacle course of my formal education...I've earned my degree. It
shouldn't be necessary for me and others to fight for answers on a
public forum as if we are still classroom bound.
A little understanding would be greatly appreciated, Mr. Rienstra. |
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Marco van Loon
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject:
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In article <1127198375.676158.311040@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
partimegeek <rettro1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Mr. Rienstra,
I'm an adult...with three sons, two of whom are grown and gone...and
I'm pretty certain parental experience has afforded me at least a basic
understanding of a lie. When I stated "...Which doesn't offer a boot
order", it was not with previous knowledge that a boot order was in
fact offered. I think you are already aware of this. In actual fact, I
purchased the scsi card on ebay as a pull with no user guide. I suppose
my crime was not copying a guide from the Adaptec website before
getting started...right? I now know with absolute certainty that a
boot order is offered! I made a mistake due to being in a hurry...I
did not lie.
I believe you are becoming transparent... You are a perfectionist who
enjoys splitting hairs. That's OK.
If the resident experts decide that you haven't done enough to warrant
their help...
Question: Why must classroom criteria be applied to this forum? Most
of us who post are seeking answers to problems we find difficult to
solve based on our varying degrees of limited experience. Although it
is true that finding ones own answers is usually the surest way to
remember them, life doesn't always give us the time we need to find
them in a complete fashion. Forums such as this should serve to
expedite things for us, not create more difficulty. I have completed
the obstacle course of my formal education...I've earned my degree. It
shouldn't be necessary for me and others to fight for answers on a
public forum as if we are still classroom bound.
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Look at it from the other side: this newsgroup has been around since 1991 [1]
and while I don't know if any of the current regulars have been around
at that time [2], I'm sure some of them have been hanging out here for
many years. Inevitable that will lead to "didn't I already answer a similar
question 25 times before?" syndrome for many newsgroup veterans.
From what I've seen in other newsgroups, that quite often leads to either
of two things:
a) the veteran goes into "stealth" mode or disappears from the newsgroup
altogether, resulting in the veteran's knowledge being lost
to the newsgroup. :(
or
b) the veteran becomes a "grumpy old man" (TM) and kind of nearly bites
the head off of newbies who, in his/her opinion, didn't research the problem
enough before asking the question. The knowledge is still there for
the newsgroup, but a bit hard to get at...
| Quote: | A little understanding would be greatly appreciated, Mr. Rienstra.
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Yes, as you yourself admitted above, he should have given you
a RTFM! instead of calling you a liar... ;-)
But seriously, if everyone would first RTFM, search the web for an answer,
search Google Groups and if all those don't help _then_ ask the question
on usenet, people like Folkert would have a whole lot less to grumble about.
<semi-joke>You're still here, so you didn't let Folkert scare you away,
but he might have scared away some lazy, spoilt 5-sec-attention-span
kiddies that wanted "us" to do their (re)searching for them with some
of his other replies, so he's actually doing the newsgroup a big service
with his grumpyness! ;^P </semi-joke>
--
Marco van Loon
[1]<quote>
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi.ctl
Subject: newgroup comp.periphs.scsi
Message-ID: <5670@compass.com>
Date: 23 May 91 16:22:41 GMT
Control: newgroup comp.periphs.scsi
Distribution: world
Organization: Compass, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Lines: 1
Approved: news@compass.com
Discussion of SCSI-based peripheral devices.
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[2]Google Groups might know, but I don't feel like looking it up... ;-P |
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