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Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:16 am Post subject:
Re: Anybody using refills for Canon i9900? |
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Jon B. wrote:
| Quote: | measekite wrote:
Jon B. wrote:
Tom wrote:
In article <N_7Pe.4037$Z87.1287@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:
Has anybody with an i9900 had any experience (positive or
negative) with any refill kits?
IF YOU DARE TAKE A CHANCE ONLY USE NAME BRAND INK. YOU WILL MOST
LIKELY NOT GET A GOOD VENDOR WHO WILL SELL YOU THAT BECAUSE THEY
DO NOT WANT TO DISCLOSE WHAT THEY SELL YOU.
I realize that very few refill vendors will tell you who their
supplier is, and many of these vendors can and will change
suppliers overnight without telling their customers. I agree with
you that there is no guarantee that any vendor will provide you
with ink that ensures trouble-free operation. I also agree with you
that suppliers can change their formulation overnight without
notifying the vendors; just like the whole Forumulabs magenta
incident.
Any refilling is obviously a gamble. The risk can be anything from
a few off-color photos to a dead print head. Given that the maximum
risk is the price of one print head, and the potential savings are
typically higher than that, it's a gamble that I'm willing to take.
Also, by doing a bit of research and reading testimonials from
other users, the chances of getting stuck with junk ink are much
lower.
--Tom.
You seem to know what you are talking about. The other guy doesn't.
Jon B.
*He expressed his opinion appropriately. *
*BUT YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.*
You call me an asshole for pointing out that you don't know what you
are talking about?
Sorry but the logic of your statements alludes me.
It is time to send you to the kill file.
Goodbye.
Jon B.
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measekite
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:28 am Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | most of the ink they sell are pigmented and those are only for limited
epson printers. they sell their ink with the niagra cfs and there have
been reported problems.
the ink the sell which they claim on their website is a no namefilled in
a claimed compatible cart. The price they charge is 16 cents less than
the real deal canon oem that you can get at costco. you are given
people on this ng a line of <shinola
Prite-rite by all respects is a brand.
gimme a break
Grasping at straws.
You are not listening. Go To all of the big box stores and see what
there is.
With all due respect, who's grasping at straws? I'm offering a
counter argument that's pretty good based on my limited research. So
either you are blind, ignorant, or lie.
You now say just because a manufacturer doesn't support canon as well
as Epson.... or more genericly a piezo based printhead than a thermal
it's not a brand? Or just because it's not carried by the big box
stores that it's not a brand? I would only assume that Asus, MSI,
Biostar, Soyo couldn't be called brands either because their products
were not until recently offered in big box stores.
THEY ARE. AND TESE BRANDS ARE SOLD BY MANY RESELLERS. NO THE SAME WITH |
INK.
| Quote: | Visit a Target, Walmart, Walgreens, London Drugs and look in their ink
section. See what you find... then come back and say there are no
brands.
Hell, even Canon... they took forever to get into printing. Rather
than go through the bother and effort to find their own distribution
channels they took their laser engines and sold them to everyone one in
their neighbor. Still do.
Media Street is by your own definition a brand. They manufacturer,
formulate, distribute via multiable channels.
BULLSHIT |
| Quote: | You can buy their
product in indy computer shops or mainstream camera shops. Print-rite
is by your own defination a brand.
MORE BULLSHIT |
| Quote: | Any counter arugument about the
quality of their products is beside the point. You have been informed
that your statement about "there are no brands" was incorrect... so one
can only assume that you choose to continue to lie.
NOE THE HORSESHIT |
| Quote: | Now whether or not to choose a big name brand compay or cottage
industry is a choice that someone has to make, and is not for you to
decide for them. But the statement "there are no brands" is a 100%
wrong. There are brands, and logos, and distribution channels all over
the place.
YOU R NUTS |
| Quote: | But all of this is beside the point because the big
question, the big question is..... who sells a product... is it a good
product.
What's sad is I support your existance in this group. We need someone
like your self to play devil's advocate... someone who would
independently evaluate many of the 3rd party venders (as you pointed
out name brand ink costs just as much as OEM ink), and list "good
reasons" why one should not consider it. But somone like you need to
approach the subject with honesty and not like a 2 bit spammer.
The basic argument is as follows, assuming canon
- Use of 3rd party inks in canon printers may affect the life of the
printhead-
True statement. They use a disposable thermal technology
-The cost of 3rd party inks from most venders is so low that if you
loose 1/8 the life of your printhead still costs less-
True statement
-Use of 3rd party inks will affect color rendering-
True Statement
-This affect can be compensated for, or desired-
True Statement
-Use of 3rd party inks will affect print life-
True statement
-Chromalife is only rated 20years under glass under normal conditions,
chromalife100 only 25 years according to wilhelm research, and only if
using premium canon papers. This can easily be improved upon, or for
non archival appliccations it doesn't matter.
If you approach your crucade with honesty.... integrity... you'll gain
credibility. But unfortunatly you are at the end of the day a trolling
spammer for canon.
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measekite
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:30 am Post subject:
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Jon B. wrote:
| Quote: | zakezuke wrote:
most of the ink they sell are pigmented and those are only for limited
epson printers. they sell their ink with the niagra cfs and there have
been reported problems.
the ink the sell which they claim on their website is a no
namefilled in
a claimed compatible cart. The price they charge is 16 cents less than
the real deal canon oem that you can get at costco. you are given
people on this ng a line of <shinola
Prite-rite by all respects is a brand.
gimme a break
Grasping at straws.
You are not listening. Go To all of the big box stores and see what
there is.
With all due respect, who's grasping at straws? I'm offering a
counter argument that's pretty good based on my limited research. So
either you are blind, ignorant, or lie.
You now say just because a manufacturer doesn't support canon as well
as Epson.... or more genericly a piezo based printhead than a thermal
it's not a brand? Or just because it's not carried by the big box
stores that it's not a brand? I would only assume that Asus, MSI,
Biostar, Soyo couldn't be called brands either because their products
were not until recently offered in big box stores.
Visit a Target, Walmart, Walgreens, London Drugs and look in their ink
section. See what you find... then come back and say there are no
brands.
Hell, even Canon... they took forever to get into printing. Rather
than go through the bother and effort to find their own distribution
channels they took their laser engines and sold them to everyone one in
their neighbor. Still do.
Media Street is by your own definition a brand. They manufacturer,
formulate, distribute via multiable channels. You can buy their
product in indy computer shops or mainstream camera shops. Print-rite
is by your own defination a brand. Any counter arugument about the
quality of their products is beside the point. You have been informed
that your statement about "there are no brands" was incorrect... so one
can only assume that you choose to continue to lie.
Now whether or not to choose a big name brand compay or cottage
industry is a choice that someone has to make, and is not for you to
decide for them. But the statement "there are no brands" is a 100%
wrong. There are brands, and logos, and distribution channels all over
the place. But all of this is beside the point because the big
question, the big question is..... who sells a product... is it a good
product.
What's sad is I support your existance in this group. We need someone
like your self to play devil's advocate... someone who would
independently evaluate many of the 3rd party venders (as you pointed
out name brand ink costs just as much as OEM ink), and list "good
reasons" why one should not consider it. But somone like you need to
approach the subject with honesty and not like a 2 bit spammer.
The basic argument is as follows, assuming canon
- Use of 3rd party inks in canon printers may affect the life of the
printhead-
True statement. They use a disposable thermal technology
-The cost of 3rd party inks from most venders is so low that if you
loose 1/8 the life of your printhead still costs less-
True statement
-Use of 3rd party inks will affect color rendering-
True Statement
-This affect can be compensated for, or desired-
True Statement
-Use of 3rd party inks will affect print life-
True statement
-Chromalife is only rated 20years under glass under normal conditions,
chromalife100 only 25 years according to wilhelm research, and only if
using premium canon papers. This can easily be improved upon, or for
non archival appliccations it doesn't matter.
If you approach your crucade with honesty.... integrity... you'll gain
credibility. But unfortunatly you are at the end of the day a trolling
spammer for canon.
I see that you have presented a logical, factually based and
intellectually honest rebuttal to mr measekite. I wonder what the
reply will be like.
Jon B.
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HEY ASSHOLE. IF YOU KILLFILED ME THEN YOU WILL NEVER KNOW.
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zakezuke
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:26 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | You now say just because a manufacturer doesn't support canon as well
as Epson.... or more genericly a piezo based printhead than a thermal
it's not a brand? Or just because it's not carried by the big box
stores that it's not a brand? I would only assume that Asus, MSI,
Biostar, Soyo couldn't be called brands either because their products
were not until recently offered in big box stores.
they are. and tese brands are sold by many resellers. no the same with ink
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Funny. You wouldn't have called them brands 5 years ago before they
were sold in bigbox stores such as CompUSA. If you wanted Asus, MSI,
Biostar, Soyo, or any other big name motherboard OEM you had to resort
to indy computer shops to get them, or mail order from big warehouses.
That is a fact. It was only circa 2001 or so you started to see these
products sold in big box stores, and even then limited to just a
handful. But it doesn't matter because the whole upgrade industry is
for tinkers and weirdoes... the exact same sort of people you have no
respect for.
Asus is the best example. They were and are an OEM for computer
builders. Their stuff at first wasn't branded at all... they were just
products that system builders shoved in a box and got shipped off
including some of the bigboys. Taiwan outfits like Asus produced clone
motherboards for IBM compatibles. They were not IBM, they were not
Compaq, they were not even a brand, they were just a board
manufacturing facility. But it was through these companies in Taiwan
that the clone industry started, and just like then there were people
that would scream hand over fist that you should only buy a respected
named brand like IBM. After all who better than IBM to make an IBM.
Others stood by Compaq, being the first company who cloned the IBM
bios. And how dare anyone consider one of the junk builders like
Gateway, Norstar, or Dell. They were after all mystery boxes... who
knows what was inside them. But the fact remained that an IBM or even
a Compaq would cost you over $2000... where you could get a clone for
under $1000... and as the years when on thanks in no small part to
Award, AMI and Phoenix.... there were so many clones that it was the
clone and not the original that became the standard... bringing us to
today... that Compaq now owned by HP you can buy in Costco has an Asus
motherboard in it. Not to speak of the fact that for a good solid 10
years or so their products among others were sold branded in boxes in a
number of retail shops.
Oh but I see... it doesn't have distributed to a big box store does it
in order to qualify under your definition of brand.
Hassleblands, camera shops, indy computer shops, Walmart, Walgreens,
London drugs, bartell drugs, Longs drugsoffice depot, office max,
staples.
Now I would define a brand as a product that's sold under a single
label which people can reconize. Could be Widgets from Tawian...
bought by Acme and distrubted to whom ever.
Using your own defination.... any product that is made, sold under a
label to retail shops is a brand. Well... love to break it to you but
the examples I sited among others qualify 100%.... meaning you are
either blind, ignorant, or lying.
| Quote: | Media Street is by your own definition a brand. They manufacturer,
formulate, distribute via multiable channels.
bullshavic
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Not bullshavic... you set up the defination and I knew of two that meet
with you own requirements. I believe Media Street is long island
based where they forumlate, manufacturer, and distrubite ink. Oddly
enough, many people feel the same way you do about cottage industry. I
mean it's hard to believe that a bunch of lasermonks.com could get
together and basicly refill/recycle products that match that of
tradtional companies. So we have folks like MediaStreet... who
understand that people respect a tradtional corp. And their products
are distribted by normal distribution channels to established
retailers. I for example if I so desired could go to R&K photo, or
Glazer's Camera Supply and buy their papers and inks.
Unless you are telling me Kodak, Fuji, Illford, Oriental, Kentmere,
Afga, Poloraid are not brands. All my years with photography... I
respected many of these companys, but you come along and tell me these
are not brands of papers just because they are not sold in big box
stores? But wait.. they are.
| Quote: | Now whether or not to choose a big name brand compay or cottage
industry is a choice that someone has to make, and is not for you to
decide for them. But the statement "there are no brands" is a 100%
wrong. There are brands, and logos, and distribution channels all over
the place
you r nuts
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You could be correct... i'm trying to argue a simple point with you
where others have tried and failed. Could could be defined as nuts.
But that doesn't change the fact that on the issue of "there are no
brands of aftermarket ink" is wrong to say the least, a flat out lie to
say the worst. I freely admit that in the refill market the vast
majority of venders are small time mom and pop organizations who got it
into their heads to buy bulk ink and inject it into spent carts and
sell it for about 25% of new value... or better yet buying empty tanks
in bulk and selling new tanks. And many of these businesses are not
very professional.. this is very true. And a good percent don't
disclose what they put in tanks or bottles... why would they want to?
After all making 400% profit why would you tell anyone where you are
getting your supply from. Some on the other hand do... and better
still there are Brands sold with logos in retail stores. This is a
fact.
But in the end game... all that really matters is three things.
1. Who sells ink? (i.e. vender)
2. How much is it?
3. Is it any good?
Anything else might be relivent to some, but not all users. It's
important you learn to respect an individual's right to choose. Just
as we made a choice back in the 1980s... whether to go with Atari,
Commodore, Apple, IBM, or some other guys. And in any scenero where
companies are in competition... the consumer wins. |
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zakezuke
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:06 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Media Street is by your own definition a brand. They manufacturer,
formulate, distribute via multiable channels.
bullshavick
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I thought i'd add that you can find a dealer of the media street brand
your self from the main page.
http://www.mediastreet.com/index.html#dealer
For example near 92704
there is Samy's Camera, The Camera Company, Paul's Photo, Inc.
near 07932
Unique Photo
near 10014
Photo Gizzmo, Inc, Adorama
Unless you tell me these are not retail stores that sell brand name
products. Granted these are mostly small specality shops to medium
sized franchises.. not your big box shop... but never the less they are
retail stores that sell a product by a company who formulates,
manufacturers, and sells ink.
I'm not saying anything about the quality of their products... not
trying to promote these guys in anyway. Only using them as an example
of brand name 3rd party ink sold in retail stores who meet your three
requirements.
You can either be a man and admit you are wrong... or be a fool and
ignore a blatent fact.
You may continue to correct people and say that MIS is a vender label
and not a brand. You might be right, I don't know for a fact inksupply
offers Image Specalist's inks. They could be for canon WJ1020 WJ1008
WJ2032 WJ6053 WJ797 but I don't know for a fact that they are. But you
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Frank
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject:
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Jon B. wrote:
| Quote: | zakezuke wrote:
most of the ink they sell are pigmented and those are only for limited
epson printers. they sell their ink with the niagra cfs and there have
been reported problems.
the ink the sell which they claim on their website is a no namefilled in
a claimed compatible cart. The price they charge is 16 cents less than
the real deal canon oem that you can get at costco. you are given
people on this ng a line of <shinola
Prite-rite by all respects is a brand.
gimme a break
Grasping at straws.
You are not listening. Go To all of the big box stores and see what
there is.
With all due respect, who's grasping at straws? I'm offering a
counter argument that's pretty good based on my limited research. So
either you are blind, ignorant, or lie.
You now say just because a manufacturer doesn't support canon as well
as Epson.... or more genericly a piezo based printhead than a thermal
it's not a brand? Or just because it's not carried by the big box
stores that it's not a brand? I would only assume that Asus, MSI,
Biostar, Soyo couldn't be called brands either because their products
were not until recently offered in big box stores.
Visit a Target, Walmart, Walgreens, London Drugs and look in their ink
section. See what you find... then come back and say there are no
brands.
Hell, even Canon... they took forever to get into printing. Rather
than go through the bother and effort to find their own distribution
channels they took their laser engines and sold them to everyone one in
their neighbor. Still do.
Media Street is by your own definition a brand. They manufacturer,
formulate, distribute via multiable channels. You can buy their
product in indy computer shops or mainstream camera shops. Print-rite
is by your own defination a brand. Any counter arugument about the
quality of their products is beside the point. You have been informed
that your statement about "there are no brands" was incorrect... so one
can only assume that you choose to continue to lie.
Now whether or not to choose a big name brand compay or cottage
industry is a choice that someone has to make, and is not for you to
decide for them. But the statement "there are no brands" is a 100%
wrong. There are brands, and logos, and distribution channels all over
the place. But all of this is beside the point because the big
question, the big question is..... who sells a product... is it a good
product.
What's sad is I support your existance in this group. We need someone
like your self to play devil's advocate... someone who would
independently evaluate many of the 3rd party venders (as you pointed
out name brand ink costs just as much as OEM ink), and list "good
reasons" why one should not consider it. But somone like you need to
approach the subject with honesty and not like a 2 bit spammer.
The basic argument is as follows, assuming canon
- Use of 3rd party inks in canon printers may affect the life of the
printhead-
True statement. They use a disposable thermal technology
-The cost of 3rd party inks from most venders is so low that if you
loose 1/8 the life of your printhead still costs less-
True statement
-Use of 3rd party inks will affect color rendering-
True Statement
-This affect can be compensated for, or desired-
True Statement
-Use of 3rd party inks will affect print life-
True statement
-Chromalife is only rated 20years under glass under normal conditions,
chromalife100 only 25 years according to wilhelm research, and only if
using premium canon papers. This can easily be improved upon, or for
non archival appliccations it doesn't matter.
If you approach your crucade with honesty.... integrity... you'll gain
credibility. But unfortunatly you are at the end of the day a trolling
spammer for canon.
I see that you have presented a logical, factually based and
intellectually honest rebuttal to mr measekite. I wonder what the reply
will be like.
Jon B.
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Why bother Jon B., as you already know that the moron who is an idiot
can't help but offer his usual stupid diatribe of eclectic crap for an
answer.
That means whenever he has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar
he panics and spams us with his usual carp.
Stand by his unintelligible meaningless onslaught of ignorance.
Frank |
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:40 pm Post subject:
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Jon O'Brien wrote:
| Quote: | In article <9aPPe.157$m56.119@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net>,
inkystinky@oem.com (measekite the troll) wrote:
Another Asshole struck down
He said he was killfiling you, not striking you down.
Jon.
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He's too stupid to understand the difference. Just ignore the moron.
Frank |
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measekite
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject:
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He like long posts so he can piss in the wind. Most people do not read
it in entirety.
zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | You now say just because a manufacturer doesn't support canon as well
as Epson.... or more genericly a piezo based printhead than a thermal
it's not a brand? Or just because it's not carried by the big box
stores that it's not a brand? I would only assume that Asus, MSI,
Biostar, Soyo couldn't be called brands either because their products
were not until recently offered in big box stores.
they are. and tese brands are sold by many resellers. no the same with ink
Funny. You wouldn't have called them brands 5 years ago before they
were sold in bigbox stores such as CompUSA. If you wanted Asus, MSI,
Biostar, Soyo, or any other big name motherboard OEM you had to resort
to indy computer shops to get them, or mail order from big warehouses.
That is a fact. It was only circa 2001 or so you started to see these
products sold in big box stores, and even then limited to just a
handful. But it doesn't matter because the whole upgrade industry is
for tinkers and weirdoes... the exact same sort of people you have no
respect for.
Asus is the best example. They were and are an OEM for computer
builders. Their stuff at first wasn't branded at all... they were just
products that system builders shoved in a box and got shipped off
including some of the bigboys. Taiwan outfits like Asus produced clone
motherboards for IBM compatibles. They were not IBM, they were not
Compaq, they were not even a brand, they were just a board
manufacturing facility. But it was through these companies in Taiwan
that the clone industry started, and just like then there were people
that would scream hand over fist that you should only buy a respected
named brand like IBM. After all who better than IBM to make an IBM.
Others stood by Compaq, being the first company who cloned the IBM
bios. And how dare anyone consider one of the junk builders like
Gateway, Norstar, or Dell. They were after all mystery boxes... who
knows what was inside them. But the fact remained that an IBM or even
a Compaq would cost you over $2000... where you could get a clone for
under $1000... and as the years when on thanks in no small part to
Award, AMI and Phoenix.... there were so many clones that it was the
clone and not the original that became the standard... bringing us to
today... that Compaq now owned by HP you can buy in Costco has an Asus
motherboard in it. Not to speak of the fact that for a good solid 10
years or so their products among others were sold branded in boxes in a
number of retail shops.
Oh but I see... it doesn't have distributed to a big box store does it
in order to qualify under your definition of brand.
Hassleblands, camera shops, indy computer shops, Walmart, Walgreens,
London drugs, bartell drugs, Longs drugsoffice depot, office max,
staples.
Now I would define a brand as a product that's sold under a single
label which people can reconize. Could be Widgets from Tawian...
bought by Acme and distrubted to whom ever.
Using your own defination.... any product that is made, sold under a
label to retail shops is a brand. Well... love to break it to you but
the examples I sited among others qualify 100%.... meaning you are
either blind, ignorant, or lying.
Media Street is by your own definition a brand. They manufacturer,
formulate, distribute via multiable channels.
bullshavic
Not bullshavic... you set up the defination and I knew of two that meet
with you own requirements. I believe Media Street is long island
based where they forumlate, manufacturer, and distrubite ink. Oddly
enough, many people feel the same way you do about cottage industry. I
mean it's hard to believe that a bunch of lasermonks.com could get
together and basicly refill/recycle products that match that of
tradtional companies. So we have folks like MediaStreet... who
understand that people respect a tradtional corp. And their products
are distribted by normal distribution channels to established
retailers. I for example if I so desired could go to R&K photo, or
Glazer's Camera Supply and buy their papers and inks.
Unless you are telling me Kodak, Fuji, Illford, Oriental, Kentmere,
Afga, Poloraid are not brands. All my years with photography... I
respected many of these companys, but you come along and tell me these
are not brands of papers just because they are not sold in big box
stores? But wait.. they are.
Now whether or not to choose a big name brand compay or cottage
industry is a choice that someone has to make, and is not for you to
decide for them. But the statement "there are no brands" is a 100%
wrong. There are brands, and logos, and distribution channels all over
the place
you r nuts
You could be correct... i'm trying to argue a simple point with you
where others have tried and failed. Could could be defined as nuts.
But that doesn't change the fact that on the issue of "there are no
brands of aftermarket ink" is wrong to say the least, a flat out lie to
say the worst. I freely admit that in the refill market the vast
majority of venders are small time mom and pop organizations who got it
into their heads to buy bulk ink and inject it into spent carts and
sell it for about 25% of new value... or better yet buying empty tanks
in bulk and selling new tanks. And many of these businesses are not
very professional.. this is very true. And a good percent don't
disclose what they put in tanks or bottles... why would they want to?
After all making 400% profit why would you tell anyone where you are
getting your supply from. Some on the other hand do... and better
still there are Brands sold with logos in retail stores. This is a
fact.
But in the end game... all that really matters is three things.
1. Who sells ink? (i.e. vender)
2. How much is it?
3. Is it any good?
Anything else might be relivent to some, but not all users. It's
important you learn to respect an individual's right to choose. Just
as we made a choice back in the 1980s... whether to go with Atari,
Commodore, Apple, IBM, or some other guys. And in any scenero where
companies are in competition... the consumer wins.
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Jon O'Brien wrote:
| Quote: | In article <9aPPe.157$m56.119@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net>,
inkystinky@oem.com (measekite the troll) wrote:
Another Asshole struck down
He said he was killfiling you, not striking you down.
Jon.
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measekite
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject:
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zakezuke wrote:
| Quote: | Media Street is by your own definition a brand. They manufacturer,
formulate, distribute via multiable channels.
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I thought i'd add that you can find a dealer of the media street brand
your self from the main page.
http://www.mediastreet.com/index.html#dealer
For example near 92704
there is Samy's Camera, The Camera Company, Paul's Photo, Inc.
near 07932
Unique Photo
near 10014
Photo Gizzmo, Inc, Adorama
Unless you tell me these are not retail stores that sell brand name
products. Granted these are mostly small specality shops to medium
sized franchises.. not your big box shop... but never the less they are
retail stores that sell a product by a company who formulates,
manufacturers, and sells ink.
I'm not saying anything about the quality of their products... not
trying to promote these guys in anyway. Only using them as an example
of brand name 3rd party ink sold in retail stores who meet your three
requirements.
You can either be a man and admit you are wrong... or be a fool and
ignore a blatent fact.
You may continue to correct people and say that MIS is a vender label
and not a brand. You might be right, I don't know for a fact inksupply
offers Image Specalist's inks. They could be for canon WJ1020 WJ1008
WJ2032 WJ6053 WJ797 but I don't know for a fact that they are. But you
may not continue to say there are no brands... there are.
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measekite
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject:
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Frank wrote:
| Quote: | Jon B. wrote:
zakezuke wrote:
most of the ink they sell are pigmented and those are only for limited
epson printers. they sell their ink with the niagra cfs and there
have
been reported problems.
the ink the sell which they claim on their website is a no
namefilled in
a claimed compatible cart. The price they charge is 16 cents less
than
the real deal canon oem that you can get at costco. you are given
people on this ng a line of <shinola
Prite-rite by all respects is a brand.
gimme a break
Grasping at straws.
You are not listening. Go To all of the big box stores and see what
there is.
With all due respect, who's grasping at straws? I'm offering a
counter argument that's pretty good based on my limited research. So
either you are blind, ignorant, or lie.
You now say just because a manufacturer doesn't support canon as well
as Epson.... or more genericly a piezo based printhead than a thermal
it's not a brand? Or just because it's not carried by the big box
stores that it's not a brand? I would only assume that Asus, MSI,
Biostar, Soyo couldn't be called brands either because their products
were not until recently offered in big box stores.
Visit a Target, Walmart, Walgreens, London Drugs and look in their ink
section. See what you find... then come back and say there are no
brands.
Hell, even Canon... they took forever to get into printing. Rather
than go through the bother and effort to find their own distribution
channels they took their laser engines and sold them to everyone one in
their neighbor. Still do.
Media Street is by your own definition a brand. They manufacturer,
formulate, distribute via multiable channels. You can buy their
product in indy computer shops or mainstream camera shops. Print-rite
is by your own defination a brand. Any counter arugument about the
quality of their products is beside the point. You have been informed
that your statement about "there are no brands" was incorrect... so one
can only assume that you choose to continue to lie.
Now whether or not to choose a big name brand compay or cottage
industry is a choice that someone has to make, and is not for you to
decide for them. But the statement "there are no brands" is a 100%
wrong. There are brands, and logos, and distribution channels all over
the place. But all of this is beside the point because the big
question, the big question is..... who sells a product... is it a good
product.
What's sad is I support your existance in this group. We need someone
like your self to play devil's advocate... someone who would
independently evaluate many of the 3rd party venders (as you pointed
out name brand ink costs just as much as OEM ink), and list "good
reasons" why one should not consider it. But somone like you need to
approach the subject with honesty and not like a 2 bit spammer.
The basic argument is as follows, assuming canon
- Use of 3rd party inks in canon printers may affect the life of the
printhead-
True statement. They use a disposable thermal technology
-The cost of 3rd party inks from most venders is so low that if you
loose 1/8 the life of your printhead still costs less-
True statement
-Use of 3rd party inks will affect color rendering-
True Statement
-This affect can be compensated for, or desired-
True Statement
-Use of 3rd party inks will affect print life-
True statement
-Chromalife is only rated 20years under glass under normal conditions,
chromalife100 only 25 years according to wilhelm research, and only if
using premium canon papers. This can easily be improved upon, or for
non archival appliccations it doesn't matter.
If you approach your crucade with honesty.... integrity... you'll gain
credibility. But unfortunatly you are at the end of the day a trolling
spammer for canon.
I see that you have presented a logical, factually based and
intellectually honest rebuttal to mr measekite. I wonder what the
reply will be like.
Jon B.
Why bother Jon B., as you already know that I am a moron who is an
idiot can't help but offer my usual stupid diatribe of eclectic crap
for an answer.
That means whenever U have been caught with my hand in the nookie jar
I panic and spam you with my usual carp.
Stand by his unintelligible meaningless onslaught of ignorance.
Frank
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measekite
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| Posted:
Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject:
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Frank wrote:
| Quote: | Jon O'Brien wrote:
In article <9aPPe.157$m56.119@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net>,
inkystinky@oem.com (measekite the troll) wrote:
Another Asshole struck down
He said he was killfiling you, not striking you down.
Jon.
I am too stupid to understand the difference.
Frank |
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zakezuke
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Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:33 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | bullshavick
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Just because you kick and scream doesn't make it any less so. I guess
I am nuts... I thought I could present a rational argument against your
assertion that their are no brands. Being a Stanford MBA I would have
thought you understood these concepts.
What I find remarkable is there are cases where I don't feel you are
wrong... and even agree with you in some cases. Yet somehow you've
flaged me as a spreader of bullshavick.
Fact: The Canon head has a limited life. You can not deny that, the
duty cycle is published and is equal to the printer's duty cycle.
Fact: There are name brand 3rd party inks you can buy in retail
stores. Not that the web enviroment isn't any less credible source.
Fact: Just because someone disagrees with you don't make them part of
a great conspiricy.
I support any rational, trustworthy, truthful dialog that promots the
spread of acurrate information on products. The problem is your
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Burt
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Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:40 am Post subject:
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Zake - I tried logic and fact on this troll for months and finally gave up.
He's just a shit disturber who tries to irritate people. This, coupled with
his unreasoning bias about aftermarket inks, leaves him with no reasonable
response when presented with a logical discussion like yours. He then
resorts to stupid one-liners and obscenities. It appears that you are his
newest "target" now that I've killfiled him and stopped responding to his
posts. He "fishes" for well-meaning and intelligent people like you and
demeans them and their messages.
BTW, no one believes his claim to have earned a Stanford MBA. More likely
a high school dropout.
"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125174785.542310.115800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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Just because you kick and scream doesn't make it any less so. I guess
I am nuts... I thought I could present a rational argument against your
assertion that their are no brands. Being a Stanford MBA I would have
thought you understood these concepts.
What I find remarkable is there are cases where I don't feel you are
wrong... and even agree with you in some cases. Yet somehow you've
flaged me as a spreader of bullshavick.
Fact: The Canon head has a limited life. You can not deny that, the
duty cycle is published and is equal to the printer's duty cycle.
Fact: There are name brand 3rd party inks you can buy in retail
stores. Not that the web enviroment isn't any less credible source.
Fact: Just because someone disagrees with you don't make them part of
a great conspiricy.
I support any rational, trustworthy, truthful dialog that promots the
spread of acurrate information on products. The problem is your
acting entirely on faith.
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zakezuke
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| Posted:
Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:26 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | It appears that you are his newest "target" now that I've killfiled him and stopped
responding to his posts.
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That's sad... I was classed as being not as much fun as your self.
To be honest I would killfile him but that doesn't apear to be an
option under google groups. The only contribution this person has to
add to the group is
1. Canon OEM inks are the best - Which I'd love to see evidence of
this
2. The ip4000 is better than epson - in mechanics I agree but in
photos I disagree even their sub $100 models.
3. Kirkland Photo paper is cool - On this I agree
4. Costco has a good deal on Canon OEM inks - Yep it's pretty good so
long as you don't need BCI-6 black which they don't carry, $30 for
three blacks, and nothing beyond cyan magenta yellow.
5. Canon lightcyan and light magenta fade too quickly - I don't know,
but given how quickly their OEM inks fade I can imagine that the same
ink with the same dye diluted 33% would fade more quickly than a more
dence solution.
6. The ip6000d is junk. - In contrast to the i960 I would agree...
the ip6600 looks more interesting.
7. Non-OEM ink causes clogs - an invalid statement... might be true in
some cases but a reasonable person would establish those cases,
identify the cause, and share the info.
8. Only heavy users stand to benifit from 3rd party inks where a $2.00
isn't "worth it". - Given the fact that only a $2.00 savings per tank =
10 bucks this represents enough money for a new printer at the end of
offical duty cycle but a judgement that each end user has to make for
them selves, and there are more options under the sun. I don't know
how he defines heavy user but I would define a heavy user as one who
actually prints a photo more than once every other day on average.
9. There are no brand of ink only manufacturers and venders - You
might have been able to say that pre 1995... but now that manufacturers
are focusing on the high profit consumer market, producing branded
inks, and more over companies who are shipping their products to retail
stores... I would *think* this would qualify as name branding and brand
recognition.
10. We are assholes - Nice to know that Salivadore Dali's view of the
world wasn't exclusive to one man.
But if some gent on the net decides to harrass me with one liners and
such... that's not a big deal. This doesn't change the fact that in an
enviroment where there is competition the consumer benifits. I don't
care if someone uses OEM ink or not... it's up to them. If someone is
interested I can share my experence with the products i've used and
hopefully help them make an informed judgement. It's my hope that a
strong trend to 3rd party solutions would improve the quality of home
printing. Perhaps canon would take the cue and consider a trully
archival medium for their printers... but that is too idealistic. |
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