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Andreas Völp
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:18 pm Post subject:
Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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I have an old 9 GB IBM DNES-309170 HD that I would like to build into an
external SCSI subsystem. The drive das a 68-pin wide SCSI connector and I
use a 68-to-50 pin converter to hook up the internal cable. The subsystem is
connected to the single-ended connector of the on-board Adaptec U2W
controller of an Asus motherboard.
When the drive is connected to the bus and powered up, the system hangs when
it scans the SCSI units.
The drive is jumpered to SCSI unit 1 (which is not used by another device).
It has the following additional jumpers ('e' for enabled and 'd' for
disables):
- Enable auto-spin (e)
- SCSI termination (d; the subsystem has an external terminator)
- Disable unit attn (d)
- TI sync nego (d)
- Auto start delay (d)
- Delay start 6/12 (d)
- Disable parity (d)
- Term power on (e)
Is there anything wrong with my jumper settings?
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Liebe Grüße / Best regards,
Andreas Völp
psy consult scientific services
Frankfurt am Main - Germany |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:06 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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"Andreas Völp" <Andreas.Voelp@gmx.de> wrote in message news:cjjefd$8m5$01$1@news.t-online.com
| Quote: | I have an old 9 GB IBM DNES-309170 HD that I would like to build into an
external SCSI subsystem. The drive has a 68-pin wide SCSI connector and I
use a 68-to-50 pin converter to hook up the internal cable. The subsystem is
connected to the single-ended connector of the on-board Adaptec U2W
controller of an Asus motherboard.
When the drive is connected to the bus and powered up, the system hangs when
it scans the SCSI units.
The drive is jumpered to SCSI unit 1 (which is not used by another device).
It has the following additional jumpers ('e' for enabled and 'd' for disables):
- Enable auto-spin (e)
- SCSI termination (d; the subsystem has an external terminator)
- Disable unit attn (d)
- TI sync nego (d)
- Auto start delay (d)
- Delay start 6/12 (d)
- Disable parity (d)
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You want that enabled.
| Quote: | - Term power on (e)
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Only one device has Term Power enabled.
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Is there anything wrong with my jumper settings?
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That too, but there is with your cable when you hookup a wide drive to a wide controller.
Check your settings in the HA Setup. |
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Ron Reaugh
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Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:17 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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"Andreas Völp" <Andreas.Voelp@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:cjjefd$8m5$01$1@news.t-online.com...
| Quote: | I have an old 9 GB IBM DNES-309170 HD that I would like to build into an
external SCSI subsystem. The drive das a 68-pin wide SCSI connector and I
use a 68-to-50 pin converter to hook up the internal cable.
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Try one of these:
http://www.scsicablesource.com/images/scsa-3920t.jpg
Some wide drives need high byte bias to come alive and the high byte
termination on the above supplies that bias.
| Quote: | The subsystem is
connected to the single-ended connector of the on-board Adaptec U2W
controller of an Asus motherboard.
When the drive is connected to the bus and powered up, the system hangs
when
it scans the SCSI units.
The drive is jumpered to SCSI unit 1 (which is not used by another
device).
It has the following additional jumpers ('e' for enabled and 'd' for
disables):
- Enable auto-spin (e)
- SCSI termination (d; the subsystem has an external terminator)
- Disable unit attn (d)
- TI sync nego (d)
- Auto start delay (d)
- Delay start 6/12 (d)
- Disable parity (d)
- Term power on (e)
Is there anything wrong with my jumper settings?
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Liebe Grüße / Best regards,
Andreas Völp
psy consult scientific services
Frankfurt am Main - Germany
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L David Matheny
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Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:46 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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"Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message news:2s67ltF1glttjU1@uni-berlin.de...
| Quote: | "Andreas Völp" <Andreas.Voelp@gmx.de> wrote in message news:cjjefd$8m5$01$1@news.t-online.com
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- Disable parity (d)
You want that enabled.
He definitely should have parity enabled, but I thought he meant |
that the "Disable parity" option is disabled, so parity is enabled. |
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Andreas Völp
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:12 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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Well, I tried with two of my 'vintage' drives. One is the IBM DNES-309170
mentioned before which has a wide SCSI interface. The other is a Segate
ST39102LW which is a U2W LVD drive. Both have a 68-pin connector. My
converter does have upper byte termination, and the drives' parity is of
course enabled.
With both drives connected to the 50-pin cable the behavior of my system is
identical: during boot-up the SCSI controller recognizes the drive and shows
the correct SCSI unit. After the controller has finished scanning the bus
the system hangs. As soon as I disconnect or power down the drive boot-up
continues.
What's wrong?
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Liebe Grüße / Best regards,
Andreas Völp
psy consult scientific services
Frankfurt am Main - Germany |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:36 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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"Andreas Völp" <Andreas.Voelp@gmx.de> wrote in message news:ck1jjc$590$04$1@news.t-online.com
| Quote: | Well, I tried with two of my 'vintage' drives. One is the IBM DNES-309170
mentioned before which has a wide SCSI interface. The other is a Segate
ST39102LW which is a U2W LVD drive. Both have a 68-pin connector. My
converter does have upper byte termination, and the drives' parity is of
course enabled.
With both drives connected to the 50-pin cable the behavior of my system is
identical: during boot-up the SCSI controller recognizes the drive and shows
the correct SCSI unit. After the controller has finished scanning the bus
the system hangs. As soon as I disconnect or power down the drive boot-up
continues.
What's wrong?
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Haven't you been told already what is wrong?
Do you require spoon feeding? |
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Andreas Völp
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:37 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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"Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:2sjl93F1ktu5cU1@uni-berlin.de...
| Quote: | Do you require spoon feeding?
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Why so rude?
| Quote: | Haven't you been told already what is wrong?
No, obviously not. I've been advised (by you) to enable "disable parity" and |
by another contributor not to - neither setting made any difference. I've
checked that only one device has term power enabled. I was also told to use
a converter with upper bit termination, as I already do. Unfortunately none
of these measures had any effect.
I'm very grateful for any advice - even if it turns out not to be helpful
(at least almost anything is worth a try). But if you feel that my questions
are beneath you, just don't answer.
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Liebe Grüße / Best regards,
Andreas Völp
psy consult scientific services
Frankfurt am Main - Germany |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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"Andreas Völp" <Andreas.Voelp@gmx.de> wrote in message news:ck2v8n$2sc$04$1@news.t-online.com
| Quote: | "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:2sjl93F1ktu5cU1@uni-berlin.de...
Do you require spoon feeding?
Why so rude?
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Because you obviously need 'awakening'.
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Haven't you been told already what is wrong?
No, obviously not.
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Yes, you did.
| Quote: | I've been advised (by you) to enable "disable parity"
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No, to have it (parity) enabled.
| Quote: | and by another contributor not to - neither setting made any difference.
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It certainly does if you have parity errors.
| Quote: | I've checked that only one device has term power enabled.
I was also told to use a converter with upper bit termination, as I already do.
Unfortunately none of these measures had any effect.
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Typical how you left out:
" ... but there is with your cable when you hookup a wide drive
to a wide controller. Check your settings in the HA Setup".
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I'm very grateful for any advice - even if it turns out not to be helpful
(at least almost anything is worth a try).
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Strange then how you didn't do that and check the HA setup utility for
things related 'wide'.
| Quote: | But if you feel that my questions
are beneath you, just don't answer.
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It's people that have an urge to rant and ignore suggestions that piss me off.
Apparently you need spoonfeeding:
Take your comforter out of your mouth.
Check the wide negotiation setting in the HA Setup.
Disable it.
Put your comforter back into your mouth. |
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Ray
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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He also told you that you shouldn't be connecting a wide device to a wide
controller with a narrow cable.
The right thing to do is use the correct cable. But if you really want to
get it to work with the wrong cable, try disabling wide negotiation.
"Andreas Völp" <Andreas.Voelp@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:ck2v8n$2sc$04$1@news.t-online.com...
| Quote: | "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:2sjl93F1ktu5cU1@uni-berlin.de...
Do you require spoon feeding?
Why so rude?
Haven't you been told already what is wrong?
No, obviously not. I've been advised (by you) to enable "disable parity"
and
by another contributor not to - neither setting made any difference. I've
checked that only one device has term power enabled. I was also told to
use
a converter with upper bit termination, as I already do. Unfortunately
none
of these measures had any effect.
I'm very grateful for any advice - even if it turns out not to be helpful
(at least almost anything is worth a try). But if you feel that my
questions
are beneath you, just don't answer.
--
Liebe Grüße / Best regards,
Andreas Völp
psy consult scientific services
Frankfurt am Main - Germany
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Andreas Völp
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Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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Folkert:
However moronic I may appear to you - it's no justification for rudeness and
verbal abuse. It's a real pitty that you don't share your knowledge with a
bit more humility. Forums like this could benefit tremendously from people
like you, but that doesn't necessarily mean that less knowledgable
participants have to stay out.
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Liebe Grüße / Best regards,
Andreas Völp
psy consult scientific services
Frankfurt am Main - Germany |
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Andreas Völp
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Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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"Ray" <no@spam.me> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:10mb3j4bqoup551@corp.supernews.com...
| Quote: | He also told you that you shouldn't be connecting a wide device to a wide
controller with a narrow cable.
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.... I really didn't realize that this is what he meant to say ...
| Quote: | The right thing to do is use the correct cable. But if you really want to
get it to work with the wrong cable, try disabling wide negotiation.
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.... and I also wasn't aware of using the 'wrong' cable (the external cabinet
in which the drive resides is connected to the 50-pin connector of the
controller). Anyway, disabeling wide negotiation in the controller for the
drive's SCSI unit did the trick - thanks a lot for the advice.
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Liebe Grüße / Best regards,
Andreas Völp
psy consult scientific services
Frankfurt am Main - Germany |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:33 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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"Andreas Völp" <Andreas.Voelp@gmx.de> wrote in message news:ck62aj$ust$02$1@news.t-online.com
| Quote: | "Ray" <no@spam.me> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:10mb3j4bqoup551@corp.supernews.com...
He also told you that you shouldn't be connecting a wide device to a wide
controller with a narrow cable.
... I really didn't realize that this is what he meant to say ...
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So you chose to ignore me. And that has the balls to call me rude.
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The right thing to do is use the correct cable. But if you really want to
get it to work with the wrong cable, try disabling wide negotiation.
... and I also wasn't aware of using the 'wrong' cable (the external cabinet
in which the drive resides is connected to the 50-pin connector of the
controller).
Anyway, disabeling wide negotiation in the controller for the
drive's SCSI unit did the trick - thanks a lot for the advice.
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I gave you that advice.
All you had to do was follow it up and do a bit of thinking of your own.
You dismissed it when I gave it to you because I didn't feed it to you
with a spoon. |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:37 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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"Andreas Völp" <Andreas.Voelp@gmx.de> wrote in message news:ck62ai$usr$02$1@news.t-online.com
| Quote: | Folkert:
However moronic I may appear to you - it's no justification for rudeness and
verbal abuse.
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Me, rude? Don't you think that ignoring my advice -twice- wasn't immensely
rude? Don't you dare talk of being rude. Have a good look in the mirror first.
| Quote: | It's a real pitty that you don't share your knowledge with a bit more humility.
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Then show some respect and checkout things first before dismissing it
right out of hand. Even when reminded, you didn't bother to check it out.
Rather you chose to moan and deliberately misrepresent what was offered to you.
| Quote: | Forums like this could benefit tremendously from people like you,
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What makes you think that they don't? Not all are like yourself.
| Quote: | but that doesn't necessarily mean that less knowledgable participants
have to stay out.
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What makes you think that they 'have to' stay out?
It's their choice to remain clueless if they choose so. No one is forcing them. |
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Ron Reaugh
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Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:19 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI HD to a 50-pin cable |
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Put a sock in it.
"Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message |
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Winey
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:27 am Post subject:
YOU are SO(self) IMPORTANT: was Re: Connecting a Wide SCSI |
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On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:33:21 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra"
<see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote:
| Quote: | "Andreas Völp" <Andreas.Voelp@gmx.de> wrote in message news:ck62aj$ust$02$1@news.t-online.com
"Ray" <no@spam.me> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:10mb3j4bqoup551@corp.supernews.com...
He also told you that you shouldn't be connecting a wide device to a wide
controller with a narrow cable.
... I really didn't realize that this is what he meant to say ...
So you chose to ignore me. And that has the balls to call me rude.
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With good reason. I'm not going to defend Andreas' technical skills.
He does appear somewhat deficient in some areas, compared with others
in this group.
But his point is extremely well-taken. You, Eric, and Ron act as
though you are the arbitrators of social taste and 'correctness.'
There is an expression I grew up with, and I don't know how to say it
in languages other than English (although I speak decent French):
"Who died and made you king?"
Andreas is right by saying that you three Big Guys intimidate other
people from asking questions. Let me guess: In "real life," you do
technical support for end-users for large company. You are frustrated
by the fact that over 40% of all calls are for password-resets because
people are always forgetting their passwords.
And every day, you curse under your breath, but in reality, you need
the job and can't do anything about the end-users and their
forgetfulness. So where will you be recognized for the genius that
you really are?
Here in this forum. Here You are Somebody! Somebody Important!!
Very, Very Important. Important Enough that You can treat other
people like re-used dog shit.
Why? Because YOU know more than all the other people here and you
are not afraid to be rude. In real life, if you behaved towards other
people the way you treat them in this group, you would long ago have
been "sleeping with the fish," as they used to say in my old
neighborhood.
By the way, there is money to be made in helping people with their PC
problems. But such people can't get any business if they are always
insulting their clients.
Same goes for you, Eric, except you are a bit more circumspect. Just
a bit.
And Ron, well, you're not like those other two. Fortunately for your
karma. You're more like George Bush, who keeps repeating himself
regardless of the facts and circumstances. Too bad you aren't
standing for election. |
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